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8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Kaname was no less one-dimensional than the rest of Walkure... she got a little more characterization than Makina and Reina, but it was purely based on pity.  She got rescued from the Scrappy Heap in-universe after her idol career failed to launch because she had a fold receptor factor, then she lost de facto leadership of Walkure to Mikumo because she was a more powerful fold singer and better performer, and then she lost the one fan she actually had when Messer broke orders and got his one-dimensional self reduced to a stain on the canopy.  She's the designated woobie, nothing more... like how Makina exists solely to be Miss Fanservice, Reina is there only as the Quiet Girl, Mikumo spends almost the entire TV series as the Alpha B*tch before some last minute characterization to make her into Mina Forte by way of Sheryl Nome, etc.

Is it worse writing when you make your characters bland and uninteresting from the start (Makina, Reina, Mikumo, Chuck), or when you set up some plot threads that never go explored (Kaname, Mirage, Arad, Messer... and while we're at it, Hayate and Freyja)?

Kaname would be less disappointing if she didn't have the "failed idol" backstory, if she were never the leader of Walkure, if she never had any connection with any of the characters? Because her backstory SHOULD be super interesting, her role in Walkure SHOULD be super interesting, her connections to Arad and Messer SHOULD be super interesting. How does she feel about being an idol? (Conflicted; she had moved onto being a small-time bar singer/waitress.) Why did she want to be one? (To make people happy.) Does she even want to be part of Walkure? (Not really; she doesn't care for fold reception or Var, she doesn't like using her ability in the context of war/conflict. She doesn't like being a Lynn Minmay.) Why does she stay, what's her end-goal? (Being the most emotionally mature and senior member of the group, she wants to mentor Mikumo and views her as something of a surrogate younger sister; she also wants to pursue her relationship with Arad, though she doesn't know how a military(? was he part of UNS/NUNS?) guy like him would feel about her conflicting thoughts about her duties.)

The Idolmaster girls during the tryouts on Ragna were better characters than her, because they were nothing but visually interesting character designs.

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13 hours ago, Sildani said:

I'm searching for crumbs, here, man!

Unfortunately, if you're looking for Messer's love interests based on his actual expression of interest in their existence in public, Chuck's kid brother Zack has a lock on first place... he's the only one to actually get Messer to make a positive facial expression.

 

 

10 hours ago, kajnrig said:

Is it worse writing when you make your characters bland and uninteresting from the start (Makina, Reina, Mikumo, Chuck), or when you set up some plot threads that never go explored (Kaname, Mirage, Arad, Messer... and while we're at it, Hayate and Freyja)?

In my opinion, it's worse to make your characters bland and uninteresting from the start... but only in the event that they're in the main cast.  That's one of Macross Delta's biggest problems, it has a HUGE main cast, and fully two-thirds of it is flat characters who could be tidily summed up in terms of what cliche they're ticking a checkbox for.

The only characters who truly get characterization in the series are Hayate, Freyja, Mirage, Keith, Roid, Bogue, and Qasim, though that doesn't save several of them from also being flat characters:

Arad: the Big Brother Mentor.
Messer: the Broken Ace.
Chuck: the Big Guy.
Kaname: the Woobie, bordering on the Broken Bird.
Makina: the Miss Fanservice, her bio tries to make her a Wrench Wench but the show forgot to.
Reina: the Stoic, the show tries to sell her as the a Playful Hacker but she's no good at it.
Hermann: the Team Dad.
Qasim: the Token Good Teammate.
Theo and Xao: purely for Twin Banter, or less wholesome activities by doujinshi authors.
Bogue: the designated Fantastic Racist.
Grammier: the Well-Intentioned Extremist, initially a reasonable authority figure in the manga.
Heinz: the Unwitting Pawn.
Berger: the Corrupt Corporate Executive.
Wright: the Suicidal Pacifist by way of a Pacifism Backfire with shades of Too Dumb To Live.
Valan: the Smug Snake, superficially.  More a One Sane Man once you put context to him.
Lady M: a one-woman Omniscient Council of Vagueness by proxy, since she never appears.
 

 

10 hours ago, kajnrig said:

Kaname would be less disappointing if she didn't have the "failed idol" backstory, if she were never the leader of Walkure, if she never had any connection with any of the characters?

For my money, she'd be a lot less disappointing if her status as the Woobie wasn't her one and only character trait.  A lot of these characters had potential, but there were just too many characters and not nearly enough show to develop them properly.

The only ones who really aren't save-able are Makina and Reina, since they're there purely for the fanservice and to fill out the list of standard fetishes for the doujinshi authors.  The gaiden manga already did a lot to salvage the members of the Aerial Knights and King Grammier.

 

10 hours ago, kajnrig said:

The Idolmaster girls during the tryouts on Ragna were better characters than her, because they were nothing but visually interesting character designs.

Ouch.

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I hear from the Uta Macross game that Reina is actually Zolan.  The ears, like Michael's, should have been a hint.

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If Mylene and Emilia can generate a lot of song energy, and even Milia can sing, I think Mirage can do it too, unless she really is the black sheep of the family when it comes to talent.

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