hellohikaru Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 From what we seen in the 2 M0 episodes so far Roy seems to be less of the hotshot than in SDF. Could it be the VF-0 being inferior to the SV-51 ? Roy seems to have a past with Ivanov...perhaps both of them were in the same squadron before. Even DD's jet has the skull on it. Anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dna Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I'd guess that will be "officially" answered in a few episodes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effect Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I thought that DD was Roy's old instructor. In my copy of Macross Zero(episode done by ANBU-AonE) when they cross in the air and the scene slows done DD notices that Roy is the on the one in the VF-0 then Roy says "Instructor Ivanov...He's alive?" We hear Ivanov simpley say "That chick". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane29 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Only time will tell who is better, but I believe that Ivanov was Roy's old instructor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 That's easy. Who's still alive by the time SDF: Macross comes around? That's right. Roy. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane29 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Maybe Ivanov is still alive somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohsho Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Well DD is part of the Anti-UN so he could be there ace pilot like how Roy was for the Spacey so he could be somewhere doing anti-un stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final Vegeta Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Could it be the VF-0 being inferior to the SV-51 ? Yes, it actually is. SV-51 is stealthier, faster and use superior calibers for the gunpod. It was even thoght for actual combat from the start, so it has a less delicate handling than the 0. VF-0 wins for endurance and faster transformation. With FAST Packs it packs a lot more missiles than the SV-51, but I think SV-51 can sport more weapons than those missile pods. FV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Göönk Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Could it be the VF-0 being inferior to the SV-51 ? Yes, it actually is. SV-51 is stealthier, faster and use superior calibers for the gunpod. It was even thoght for actual combat from the start, so it has a less delicate handling than the 0. VF-0 wins for endurance and faster transformation. With FAST Packs it packs a lot more missiles than the SV-51, but I think SV-51 can sport more weapons than those missile pods. FV can fast pack be used in atmosphere or are there space scenes? So you may post a new thread for superiority in space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane29 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 The fastpacks on th Zero are for fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted November 20, 2003 Author Share Posted November 20, 2003 They are probably not Space combat for the VF-0 and SV-51. But Fast Packs can be used in atmosphere just look at the atmospheric Fast Packs of the VF-11C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane29 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 At least for the Zero space is out of the picture, running on convetional jet engines. There is nothing in space, yadda yadda yadda to run the turbines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Seeing as Roy lives to see the ASS-1 take form and launch, well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Hey, what if Shin kills DD instead of Roy??? I know it's a long shot, but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 And Shin is Max as Nora is Millia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final Vegeta Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 can fast pack be used in atmosphere Yes, I think the term came from real world Fuel And Sensor Tactical packs used with F-15s and other jets. As a side note, I didn't notice them at first, because VF-0's legs are too slim without them. FV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 The main thing about fast packs is airflow - without good, calculated properties for airflow over the wings, well, flight ain't going to happen. The VF-1's fast packs just created too much drag, not enough lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muswp1 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Plus the fact that the FAST boosters eliminates the verical tails and rudders. Without them and some kind of horizantal stabilizers, any kind of manuvering would be almost impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 And Shin is Max as Nora is Millia Hell no! Shin's a wimp. Max kicked Millia's ass and it was Millia that surprised Max with the knives. (I think Max had a different type of penetration in mind) Shin couldn't even take his female version in a straight fight and resorted to picking up a broom stick in front of all those soldiers. If that isn't being a pussy then I don't know what is. It's funny when M0 started he was so unwilling to take any sort of help from anybody then they changed his character to be so much weaker. Shooting Focker AFTER he was already dead during the paintball incident. WTF is that about? 2 eps. and I'm already disappointed with his character, I hope he bites it in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_xavier Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Roy Focker... he flows like water. Be water my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Hey, we all know that Shin and Edgar will bite the big one when Space War I starts. And that's funny, EXO, I'm sure we all had a different kind of penetration in mind when we saw that hot bitch Millia for the first time, too bad we never saw her nude like Minmay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegis! Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Hey, we all know that Shin and Edgar will bite the big one when Space War I starts. And that's funny, EXO, I'm sure we all had a different kind of penetration in mind when we saw that hot bitch Millia for the first time, too bad we never saw her nude like Minmay. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 I feel the same way too man. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Well, EXO, Shin doesn't want to frakk with Nora, I don't even know who he wants to, but definitely not her. As opposed to Max who's the kind of guy that says, "Pussy is pussy." And Shin is willing to take help he can get after repeated failures during the VF-0 training sessions. In the military you have to work as a team, and those that don't well end up being cannon fodder. Shin was pretty much cannon fodder when Nora shot him down in the first episode. And he looks much weaker because Katie whooped his ass in front of other pilots and Marines. Katie delivered a shock to his system, and he realized that he can't be the same pilot he was before meeting Roy and learning of the VF-0s existence. And a Valkyrie is a lot more flexible than a Tomcat will ever be, so he's just a soldier now, and soldiers work with each other to succeed. Well that's pretty much my assessment of Shin's character. Was my choice of words bad?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegis! Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Well, EXO, Shin doesn't want to frakk with Nora, I don't even know who he wants to, but definitely not her. As opposed to Max who's the kind of guy that says, "Pussy is pussy." And Shin is willing to take help he can get after repeated failures during the VF-0 training sessions. In the military you have to work as a team, and those that don't well end up being cannon fodder. Shin was pretty much cannon fodder when Nora shot him down in the first episode. And he looks much weaker because Katie whooped his ass in front of other pilots and Marines. Katie delivered a shock to his system, and he realized that he can't be the same pilot he was before meeting Roy and learning of the VF-0s existence. And a Valkyrie is a lot more flexible than a Tomcat will ever be, so he's just a soldier now, and soldiers work with each other to succeed. Well that's pretty much my assessment of Shin's character.Was my choice of words bad?? Well , he wasn´t exactly cannon fodder when fighting aganist Nora , for starters he actually locked onto her juts piloting a Tomcat (which is old by today standards , imagine how old it is in 2008 ) and Nora was using a new variable fighter , of course the pros of the VF design were show when Nora shot him down in Battroid. Shin is just too old-school to get used to piloting VFs , but as a fighter pilot he´s probably just as good as Max or Gamlin , in any case the other pilots had more experience by the time Shin got his 0D. In the two occasions Shin confronted Nora he was in a disadvantage (1- he was using a tomcat , 2- he didn´t know a crap how to use a VF ). I think Roy is gonna have quite an important role in Shin´s development , at least he was happy to pilot along side Edgar once he knew he was alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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