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I agree. Even cel shaded CG is still CG and we are nowhere near the point of it looking like traditional animation. While I enjoy Macross Zero for what it is, I must say that the dogfights in DYRL? and Macross Plus impressed me a lot more.

I also still stand by my opinion that while SDF Macross had more character development, the character developement in DYRL? was better written and better handled. A rewritten, as well as reanimated, version of Space War 1 would have the potential to take the best aspects of both. As the story of Hikaru, Misa, and Minmay has been refined, we could get both the quantity of SDF Macross, and the quality of DYRL?. Still, I'd rather something new, than something old redone, even if it was a definative Space War 1.

Someone once said that Greivious' eyes look like Maul's, but if you actually compare them, their eyes are very different looking. I doubt it's Maul.

I'd rather not. I have SDF Macross, I've seen it hundreds of times. If I want to watch it, I'll break out my DVDs. I want more Macross, but I want something new. In that respect, I'm going to go against the grain here. If they remade Space War I, I would want them to make the definative version that all of the sequels are based off of. Forget this 'use the original audio track, but reanimate the series'. I'm not interested in that at all, unless they pull a LotGH and reanimate only the worst episodes, to make the animation over the course of the entire series more consistant.

If 'Other Anime and Science Fiction' is getting more traffic than the other parts of the forum, I would say that's only because there's not much news on the Macross front. Very few new toys coming out. Macross Zero has ended with no word of a future OVA or series.

Bit of a cameo in one of the coming pages, just thought I'd share.

Cheap!

Yeah, it seems to me that the AFOS is no more advanced than the eVil series. It was probably designed late in the war, after the PC had realized their mistakes, but before they'd dissapeared from the galaxy.

Think about that, and how the whole Star Wars story pans out. You've actually answered your own question.

I got to agree with Treatment on the whole DYRL? vs. SDF thing. It has bothered me for ages that many people take for granted that DYRL? must have worse character developement because it's far shorter than SDF. I see it as a matter of quality over quantity, myself. I also know several people who's first exposure to Macross was DYRL?, and they had no problems at all following the story.

Also remember, if you don't vote simply because you don't care, or don't like the two most prominently advertised candidates, then you've no right to complain later on. There's more than two candidates you can show support for, or you can simply vote for the candidate you believe will cause the least amount of damage while in office.

Even completely lacking any comprehension of the Japanese language, I think this idea is interesting and could possibly be beneifical to the forum as a whole, as maybe those that do know english may spend the majority of their time in the Japanese section, but occaissionally pay the english boards a visit and offer their perspective on things.

Psychic powers! He can feel the incoming lawsuits through the force! It's as if millions of Macross fans all cried out at once, and were suddenly silenced. By 'suddenly' I mean they wandered off and returned to their daily lives after another year or so of litigation.

Yes, that's my whole argument.

Dude, Max's uniform was pimping.

The idea of a Macross show based around destroid pilots or Zentradi have been tossed around before, and I will 100% agree with you, that these would make for some intersting departures from the usual fighter pilot main characters. However, I'm a bit of an aviation fan myself, and so the shows so far have remained appealing to me in that respect, and I love the themes of the show, and I'm rarely dissapointed with the execution of the story. Even when I am dissapointed, such as the end of Macross Zero, it's just that it's not quite as awesome as it could have been. While I do hope we see such departures in the future, for the reasons you've already stated, I won't hold my breath.

Oh...so they removed the gun barrel for the Alternators version of Wind Charger/Overdrive? Lame. Very lame. I thought they just didn't picture it on the box. I noticed on..the Meister box I think it was they had him transformed wrong in the Photo, or pieces were missing or something.

Wind Charger? I gotta disagree, he looks like one of the better designs to me. Have you seen the other pictures posted?

I think Roy didn't become a womanizer until after Aries' death. I think the opposite is true.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense... This stuff has been swirling around in my head for days now. I can't believe how briliant the whole thing is. I mean they all fit together so well now. EVERYTHING makes so much sense. So AgentOne...are you going to stop bashing Macross 7? No... I quote myself: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...ndpost&p=137856 See? This is what I love about Macross. Something different, stuff that appeals in different ways, to different people while conveying similar themes. AgentONE and Keith might be completely at odds over Macross 7, then completely agree on Macross Zero. Backstabber, it's not so much that I think Macross compares favourably to shows like Gundam, and that's what makes it good. I was using the Gundam example not to bash Gundam, but to provide an example of just what you seemed to be describing, and how Macross as a whole really is different from that. Gundam, also, is but an extreme example of that. I guess the thing is, I find it very difficult to understand just how you can claim Macross rehashes the same stories, when it so obviously doesn't (the perennial exception being Macross II, wich was DYRL? almost scene for scene). I enjoy strong themes, and don't mind at all seeing the same themes cropping up again and again, especially when they are themes I enjoy. I consider the voyage to be the defining factor of originality, over the message. Not what they say, but how they get to it. The way I see it, complaining about the themes remaining the same, even if the stories are so varied, is a lot like complaining that every Macross has transforming fighter jets, despite the different types of Valkyries, and the different stories they appear in. Grok? I see it this way. Shin showed Sara, and hence the Bird Human, that mankind was capable of stopping the violence. A ray of hope, amidst the storm, so to speak. It helped that Shin and Sara were so attached, otherwise it probably would not have had the same effect.

Many Macross fans feel that these main themes are what make Macross Macross. Just as many of Matsumoto's, Shakespeare's, Miyazake's, Wilson's, and many other storywriter's works all tend to contain similar themes. Similar themes, thrown together in different ways. It seems strange to me that one would critisize such a thing, when other franchises are far worse in their lack of originality. As for "that other franchise", I must say you're far too sensitive. I was talking about Gundam, wich is known for rehashing the same stories over and over again. Right down to the same archetypical characters, different names but similar in looks and repeating the same roles endlessly. Macross brings a new flavour to every offering, for wich many Macross fans are thankful. I would call that stretching. I'd honestly be surprised if many people disagreed with me. You might as well call Star Wars and Star Trek the same story with different paint. To quote a bit of conversation between the young boy and God, as played by Ralph Richardson, in Time Bandits, "Why is there evil?" "Ah, I think it's something to do with free will." Perhaps it's even as AgentONE surmised, and humanity was actually uplifted, as it were, specifically to meet the Zentradi and Meltrandi, and perhaps bring them that vital missing link of compassion, humanity, and culture, to put an end to the destruction.

The possibilities are pretty much endless. I'd personally like to see the VF-4 in action, as it's my absolute favourite Valkyrie design. I also wouldn't mind seeing more in the M7 timeline. Heck, I'd be happy with another SW1 era story, so long as Kawamori and company didn't take that as a sign to be lazy and endlessly recycle that time period.

Also, the idea behind the Bird Human destroying the world if they hadn't given up fighting amongst each other seemed to me, and others in this thread, to be more a way of keeping a potentially destructive race from leaving Earth and wreaking even more havoc upon the galaxy, such as the Protoculture's previous creations.

Backstabber, the solution is right there for all to see. It takes only the eyes to see it. For more on that topic I reccomend reading 'The Illuminatus! Trilogy', wich offers a very interesting world view based on that idea. As for originality, well if all you look at is the overreaching themes of Macross, well, then you're absolutely correct in that M0 does not deviate from them. As for the actual story, you can't really claim it's a rehash of any previous Macross story, and to many Macross fans it's enough that Kawamori and company don't rehash the same story endlessly, unlike that other mecha franchise. Looking at the story, it can basically be broken down to something like this. Over a small, Pacific island, two factions in a global civil war battle over a mysterious alien object, that has slept silently beneath the sea for thousands to millions of years. The object seems to have outwardly mystical ties to a village of natives living upon the island. As the two forces clash, it becomes more and more apparent that the alien technology that they are trying to claim for their own advantage could destroy them all. Can our heroes discover the secret of the "Bird Human" before it lays waste to the entire world? Yeah, that sounds identical to the plot of SDF Macross and Macross Plus.

I don't understand the comparions to Evangelion at all? While I was able to figure out the end to Eva, I will admit it that it did require some thought on the part of the audience as they did not take you by the hand and work everything out for you. The end to Macross Zero on the other hand is very straightforward and simple.