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Meh. Who says that Protoculture can't have something similar? I siad it would be interesting, some people don't need to see that same thing over and over hehe. Then again, some do. Hell, maybe reveal why supervision army and/or protoculture ships were made to be modular.

Protoculture having valkyries is something I wouldn't want to see. Would take something away from them if that happened.

Modular SA ships? Sure why not.

Anyway, I'm not against the idea, but it wouldn't be Macross. Sure make the story, say it happens within the same timeline... but slap a different name on it, since it's going to be a different product anyway.

Anyway I like what Macross currently is doing, and that is looking forward, and evolving. Just my opinion though.

To bastardise Basara:

"LISTEN TO MY BITCH, Bee-YOTCH!!!"

You mean he wants us to listen to Mylene?

hi, how about the buns Ranka had on ep 3 when they were on the emergency shelter?

Tuna buns. Relieves everyone of stress and lets them see the comical in a situation.

The 1st image i think is Ozma's apartment, the one where he stays with Ranka.

Unless Alto borrowed it since Ozma and Ranka aren't around no more, and i doubt sheryl has a living place after her drop from fame.

The first image is where Sheryl and Alto have their dinner. I do not think it is Ozma's place. It could very well be in the same neighborhood, though.

The most suggestive reason that it isn't the same building that Ranka was in is the sign sticking out over the sidewalk that's seen just before the first screengrab (which is the place where Sheryl and Alto eat) that you took. It's the sort of sign that you'd find in front of a shop, and not something that you'd likely find attached to the much nicer digs in the second and third screen grabs.

Well I guess... except I think the fact that they look nothing alike at all, is even more so...

I should perhaps elaborate when I said "It makes the sense that is the same" I was not refering to the building being the same as the apartment shown in ep 23. Rather I mean that the room we saw in episode 19 (which i didn't screen cap earlier) is from inside the big lit up building.

To illustrate things more clearly:

Sheryls place

Where Ranka was staying when working for the goverment.

So, it is not option 3.

for me, 2 sounds reasonable. 3 is most likely. 1 and 4 are less likely but still possible.

some are intepreting it as "don't leave me", which could mean either sheryl or alto's place. But if it's literally "don't go home", then it most likely is sheryl's place (with this, we are again left with alto as the eternal vagabond. hehe).

the apartment might look different, but maybe it's all a matter of atmosphere. in ep19, ranka's room was a well-lighted happy place coz.. well... that's ranka. but we certainly can't have that atmosphere to emphasize that sheryl is slowly dying.

if it's sheryl's own apartment, it must be new (so it's not a "first time on air" moment). she used to stay in a hotel before her confrontation with grace. then from there, straight to saotome mansion. well since alto can't fully take care of her in the mansion (since he has that old "i'll never go back home again" oath), maybe she convinced sheryl to get her own place.

Sheryl used 帰る, which is to return; to come home; to go home; to go back. It's not a verb she'd use if he was already home.

Also, this is why I think it's not 3:

The apartment in ep 23.

This is where I believe Ranka was staying in ep 19. The first picture fits over the bottom one.

I admit I can be mistaken in asociating the latter building with the bedroom that was shown just prior to it. But it makes the most sense that they're same.

1. No real indication that it would be this.

2. Given that Sheryl tells Alto to "not go home", I would say this seems likely.

3. It doesn't look the part. Of course I might be mistaken to asociate the building seen early in episode 19, with the bedroom seen just before it.

4. See 1.

Now is lack of indication proof that it isn't Alto's place? Not really no, but given we have a (however slight you may feel it is) indication that it might be Sheryls, I'm going to go with that until proven otherwise.

And it would be "gasp! first time on air!" for being sheryl's apartment too.

If it is, indeed, Sheryl's place, then it's most likely the same place where Ranka stayed while she was employed by the government. after all, sheryl did take her place, why not her flat?

If you're refering to scene in the beginning of episode 19, then my initial reaction would be to say no. That place was bigger, grander... got the feeling that it was perhaps something of a goverment hotel or something. Of course I'm perhaps mistaken when I asociate the bedroom we see Ranka in, with the big litup building we see in the next scene, with guards stationed outside and Brera sitting on the roof playing his harmonica. That Ai-kun promptly appears on the roof, tells me it is at least close by however.

I'm going to say again, that I think that's Sheryls apartment. She must have lived somewhere before the hospital, or when taken in the Saotome mansion... perhaps she aquired it after she started working for Leon even.

Why do I say its Sheryl's? Because Sheryl says "You mustn't go home!" when he's carrying her. Sure, it's not much to go by perhaps, Sheryl might have been confused as to where she was at the moment, but what indication is it that it was Alto's?

Alto looks at the pills and say "Muri mo nai....ka" which means "impossible, huh". Interpret that how you will but i think it means the pills do nothing. It depicts that Sheryl still has the will to live despite her disease being on the terminal stage.

And just before that he was saying "Rashiku nai ze" in regards to Sheryl. "Muri mo nai ka" is more like "I guess its no surprise." I interpret it as either being, it's no surprise because of a) the disease in general. b) she's not taking the pills.

I'd be interested in a prequel series or oav focusing on the protoculture and what lead up to the collapse(?).

I agree that would be interesting, but it wouldn't really feel like macross then. Cuz it'd have no macrosses in it... and no valkyries The latter being the assured reason of why it'll never get made.

Nah... You're overlooking the obvious...

i.e. WHICH Saotome's mansion?

We've never seen where Alto lives. He's got to live somewhere, after all.

And it turned out to be... where Sheryl lives.

I believe they have FOUND a cure for Sheryl, but Sheryl refused it because it'll weaken her power and maybe some other things. Someone confirm this?

Kind of HQ raw out... Huge avi file with unusual resolution

watching Mac7 Dynamite... cos it downloaded first... and I like the animation quality...

...and I kinda like Basara (as a character, not as in the 'i think he's hawt' sense)

Is that normal?

Perfectly fine. Most of the people who have a problem with him here do so because of the TV-series. And then there's people who don't have a problem with him at all. He's quite a lot calmer in dynamite, doubt there's going to be anything that'll make you really dislike him within the four episodes.

I will wait for a subbed version, translations can be biased by personal feelings...

Same could be said for the subs really. But I know what you mean. I was being very careful to avoid being biased in what little i actually did throw out a translation for.

Did Grace take control over Brera?

It certainly looked like that way.

ok, cannot express the amount of WTF I've got going on right now

Well didn't expect this dialouge.

Saotome mansion my friend.

Which is a japanese style house and doesn't look anything like what we see here. Or did they ever show there was a western house connected to it somewhere?

No, actually more like the story was declassified by the UNG and likely Mao told or wrote about it before the 117th fleet was lost.

Just like the Minmay TV Movie in Macross 7, meant for propaganda and recruitment purposes.

It's like saying "Roy Focker,Hikaru Ichijyo and Shin Kudo what do they have in common? They are heroes and they are Valkyrie pilots. Want to be like them? Join the military today!".

Don't really think the "Bird human" movie was primarily conceived as a militairy propaganda and recruitment stunt.

Speculation about Alto's planet scene: I don't think it can be the Vajra planet, because it's far too early in the plot for him to be there already. Maybe a dream sequence of some sort?

Are you talking about

I say that all bets are off with his show. All along, he has drawn us in with familiar-seeming characters and situtations, only to give them aggressively different outcomes, and I don't see that pattern changing.

Agreed, all bets are off. I currently cannot see how things will end (or rather I can see too many different possible outcomes) of how the plot ends, how the triangle will be resolved and who lives or doesn't. I'm certain that tomorrow will bring a slew of new possible outcomes as I re-evaluate everything again.

Just because Kawamori wasn't involved doesn't make Macross II non-canon (even though it is non-canon).

You're quite right. What makes it non-canon is Kawamori and Studio Nue denouncing it as non-canon

(also showed Sheryl resisting evacuating the concert and added a comment about Alto while she was in the limo evacuating). It definitely softened Sheryl's demeanor considerably.

Huh? Ther was nothing new like. It's been like that since the deculture edition.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, I checked my blue ray and the same can be said for all three versions of the episode. Once the evacuation alert is sounded, all scenes with Sheryl and all of her lines in all three versions of the episode are exactly the same. The closest thing to a difference that I noticed was that there is a 1-second shot of Alto's face as he is standing on the roof of the concert hall where his attention gets shifted to Cathy saying "Hurry and get in the car" off screen, is missing in the TV broadcast but present in both other versions.

But I think that saying that either one is THE one-and-true ending...well, that's a bit premature at this point. We've still got 75 minutes to go, folks. A lot can happen in that time.

THE one-and-true ending will be known by everyone in a little over 15 days time from now

People will most likely still be bickering about it a looong time after that