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I wasn't implying that there was anything legally wrong with what they were saying, but moreso in the context in which they say it. They say it in a way that is vague, as to give a bunch of people the ideas that lead us to the debate/debacle we keep going back to. It's probably done intentionally as to tactfully mislead those that don't understand the legal verbage. Just look through youtube at all the various convention Q&A's HG staff do at their panels...they do it in many of the questions that are very direct, they skirt around the question, and shift it to other examples. Classic spin cycle.

Sometimes, the best info is not from sources that try to simplify things, especially when they are tied to making profits from the sale of DVDs. After reading their "simplified version", they only seemed to screw up the rulings, and made a mess of people who are only just now trying to get involved in this discussion (simply not a debate). It also is a great disservice that HG makes these stupid remarks like "We own anything that is Robotech" or "We can use anything Robotech". All it does is just create more ignorance of their fans that cannot comprehend the rulings on their own. And to be honest, those documents aren't too understandable for the masses. I guess it's one thing if it's just someone misunderstanding, but the more this whole thing persist, the more it looks like just sheer avoidance of the facts. I hope that's not the case.

OK, back from Vegas and a lot of revelry... If you look through some pics maybe on rt.com, definitely in the art of RTSC, they have plenty of pics with Tommy and a few others going to Tats, and/or having Tats coming here. Basically, HG got a bid from Tats to do RTSC, and when they found it too much for their budget, they bailed out and picked the B-team animator house DR movie. B team cause they mostly specialize in in between animation of the key shots. I always found it funny that they made sure to put those pics in the book, as if Tats actually did anything with it. They did nothing at all. On another note, while I'm all up for reading and occasionally engaging in debate, the debate as to wether HG or Tats can create new derivatives based on BW/SN's designs or not is really old already. Is it that RT fans are equating the toys and video games to being able to use it in a new film? I don't know, but the facts are all there, and when read without biases and Robotech goggles, the decisions and rulings are spelled out quite well. I really don't see a debate regarding all this. If you think about it, there isn't a debate. The facts are there, all that I've seen is just arguing against peoples idea of how they'd like the facts to work for HG's favor. Sometimes if the person is open to being wrong, they'll see it, but most times, all it is, is just wasted typing.

From what I was reading, it appears that ADV is simply redircting their licenses and properties into smaller, sister companies that are owned by the CEO and whatnot. It may not affect them too much, but it's too early in the game to see. I know they burned bridges with Funimation when they didn't want Funimation involved in the production of Shadow Rising.

That guys complaint is funny. Since it's so vague, it doesn't really say if the complaint is merited. However, I wouldn't put it past HG. I've got some interesting stories of people they've really short changed and have not paid.

Still, the view of the mech in question doesn't look enough like a tomahawk. Just cause it has big canon arms and a missile launcher ont he top doesn't make it a copywright infringement. Then again, the scare tactic may work, and if it does, that's too bad. Either way, let HG piss off more people and burn more bridges. I don't think they'll be making games for HG, and they look like they can make a great mecha game. BURN THOSE BRIDGES BABY, BURN THEM ALL, YOU MOTHER %!@#ERS!!! (done in a very crazy Quentin Tarantino Movie manner)

It'll be good to see an HD version. I know you won't go back to editing your episode 1, but still think you should consider redoing a couple of the characters. But, as it is your work, my opinion is just that. I can definitely see the hard work put into it, and that's great to see. Awesome work on your part.

The anime models move so damn realistic, that's what's creepy/fascinating. I think it's quite awesome. I hope to see more

Does anyone have a frontal view of the mechwarrior mech in question??? from the 3/4 rear view, it looks like it has parts that function the same as a Tomahawk, but don't necessarily look like a Tomahawk. That's what HG needs to do, piss off more people over something trivial (this going off the fact I haven't seen the rest of the Mechwarrior design). If it looks too much the same, then I can't argue with that, but from what that site showed, it doesn't look like enough.

Pete, I agree. For the most part, I'm still a semi-fan of the Robotech from 85, from the standpoint that it brought over some great anime. As far as the ugliness that has gone on for quite sometime from the company, it has proven to sway quite a few once fans away. When I saw RTSC for the first time, I was content with it simply cause it was new. However, after it was over, it began to sink in how bad it was. But, as that is another discussion, when HG started silencing fans who didn't like the film, it became obvious that they knew they put out an inferior product. Then, more ugliness came out. Taking all that we know, what the staff has done, and what some fans have created, it's become a very unattractive franchise to follow. Maybe that'll change someday, but HG and some of their fans keep that ball rolling. Not all of them, cause there are some good people there, but as the saying goes, the few rotten apples spoil the bunch.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Damn you Beagle! Damn you Toynami! And Damn you EXO for saying that!!! That's it, I'm siding with the Inbit.

Yeah, sorry, meant sub. That's what happens when you get your eyes dialated for routine exame, and the s and d keys are close to each other, I meant sub, not dub. Rest assured, I wouldn't want a dub. I love the original voices.

Soooo, any update on this project? Are you still working on part 2, reworking part 1, hope it's still moving forward. Let me know if you need anymore extras for voices. I'm available.

Exo was right, Yune didn't sculpt the head, but it is based on his art. Either way, I do prefere the Beagle heads much better, especially for the Ley/Rand version. So much so, in fact, that I cancelled my MPC version so I could get the Beagle version. Now, the BBTS price of $149.99 is definitely a fire sale price. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for the Fuke version. So much time went into it, I hope it's not vaporware at this point.

I'm hoping for the chance to start working on inserting translated dialogue onto issue 2 soon. Being able to read it in English just makes the story Macross the First even more special when dealing with new Mikimoto art. While being able to find some of the scans on the net is cool, for those "considering" buying them, let me just say that owning the issues and having it in hand is well worth the trouble, and money. I buy the Gundam Ace as well, and these niche Ace books are really awesome.

I know it may not be worth their time, but I was thinking heavily about this...How cool would it be if Bandai released Macross Frontier just as they did, but put english sub on it? I know they'd still have the region code thing, but what a way to get around the blockade. Imagine if they did that with the blu-rays. Those are region free. While it may not be a big deal for them, how many more fans would buy the product via online e-tailers to have the official version, with all the extras, and english subs? It'd be a good extra amount of cash, probably well worth the cost of just adding subtitles as an extra feature. I wonder if it's possible to write to Bandai, and ask about it. Edited for mispelling in a crucial area

Man, put me down for the Garfish kit. I'd love to have one of those. Pleeeaaassse!!!

It's gonna be interesting to see what happens with that. I know Memo overall has been very helpful with the fandom, and does a lot for the staff, but the last few weeks have shown not too good for the mods in general. Letting someone verbally attack other members, then themselves calling out members like that is something that would've gotten anyone else who was a mod, demoted. That's not even counting the misrepresentation of facts.

The same rights that HG has as far as the designs would be transferred to WB. Those rights would be grandfathered to WB. Based on the rulings though, WB would not be able to use the VF-1, the SDF-1 or any of the Macross designs as they are shown in the Macross series, or the lineart. However, creating designs based off of those does seem feasible, and goes along with the idea of them "reimagining" the series. It'd be interesting if they can even use the terms, such as Zentraedi or not. Perhaps WB will scrutinize the rulings much more closely, and maybe even strike deals with BW/SN if need be.

Yeah, that won't happen. Whenever Tommy goes someplace, Memo goes as well. So, they won't do anything about it. Not only that, but Memo is the unpaid marketing and fan president I guess. So, what will probably happen is as you said later on....nothing. I'd say, let it be so. It only proves their contradictions and double-mindedness of the staff yet again. Also, Memo is perfect for them. He doesn't ask questions, and just takes things at face value. For HG, that is the perfect fan. BTW, was that thread about the licensing ever locked or squashed? Last I checked, the subject was changed quite quickly, as probably directed by the staff.

Hmmm, I still have access to those forums, and you're not missing anything. There is nothing secretive going on there. They talk about contest ideas from time to time (once a year), and sometimes talk about what the next quiz or poll questions will be. You know what probably helps is the fact that it's such a hot topic over here and there, and if they banned you for being right, it'd make them look even worse than they already do. I guess for me, they felt they had to ban me, cause maybe I know too much. Whatever!!! You educate them more than heckle, so they won't ban you.

I certainly didn't know. If you've been trying to get banned, you haven't been trying hard enough. Try disagreeing with the mods. That's when they'll attack, then ban you. I keep my copy of RTSC that I won at their launch party in February next to the DVD of Robotech:The Untold Story, and then the entire Macross collection. On the other side of that, is my Gunbuster DVDs, and Full Metal Alchemists DVDs.

HappyPenguins, think of it as graduation. You just moved up and now don't have a $h!tBrick to hold you down. Unlike Save, when they demoted me, then banned me for trivial reasons, I did the opposite. I spilled the beans about stuff I knew. Them banning me let me be able to feel free, as Save described, and while I was a Macross fan first, it helped me to not have to divide my interests. I will say it again, Leave the ignorant live in the happy bubble they have. At least it's great to know that most of the friends I had on their have pulled out, and no longer have any interest in RT.

Just got a copy of it from Kinokuniya today. Very cool stats and pics of the various Valkyries they have inside the book. It's a good buy. The cover art is awesome as well.

This is a good point. What I was referring to, was that those that don't understand the court rulings would easily be misunderstood, is say, by some strange turn of events, WB strikes a deal with BW/SN to be able to use the lineart for works in the Robotech movie. I can just see all the naive fanboy rants, "see HG did own all of it, and they can use any bit of it they want", while again, being misled, and not understanding that this isn't a HG deal, but a WB deal that was struck. Wether that happens exactly as I state it, or some other, smaller deal gets worked out, the facts would again, be misinterpreted. That's why I don't try to argue with the fans over there. It's like trying to make a dead horse walk.