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See here for futher details on the Movic Macross F book: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=30860&st=175&p=847120&fromsearch=1entry847120 I'm not sure if it even has an ISBN. It's bar code number is: 4961524457304

Seconded. The question I have is: where did those original figures for the VF-19F and VF-19S come from?

Episode 19 is all plot. Great fun, with some interesting twists and turns. It was also nice to see almost all of the SG-1 team in some form in the episode. Shame that Dr. Jackson was limited to a video primer on the enemy de jour. Nevertheless, great to see Major Carter and General O'neill in butt-kicking mode. What's up with the ship acting up? Maybe a heretofore unseen but implied defensive measure that's stopped the aliens from gaining access? Maybe the scientist who disappeared in the chair? I do feel a shake-up happening in the next episode. I'm also kinda glad that they erased the possibility of gating in more personnel and equipment from the Milkyway Galaxy. @ Ghosttrain: Hmmm... I don't think it's the Blueys. Maybe the aliens that created that planet that the religious dude stayed behind on?

The removal of them would have a detrimental effect to atmospheric performance, especially in very high angle of attack maneuvers. Sure, the thurst band can compensate for the lack of canards, but the additional forward rotational thrust on the nose would have to be counterbalanced by control input elsewhere - in effect reducing the extremes of performance. Not to mention the added complication of running out of fuel and losing that control means... So, yeah, in normal operations, the effect would be almost negligible, but there is a reduction in some aspects of stability.

Ah, thanks Renato. Know that page, it's titled "initial armaments". If I find the time, I'll take an in-depth look at it. Though, at present, I believe that it's referring to the wing-root beam guns. Mind you, on the YF-19, there could've been an extra pair of them in the chest area. Anyhow, more on the VF-19F stubby wings: pg 080 shows the VF-19F with two types: Left (shorter, stubbier; not depicted with the airframe): space manueverability type: specialized for space employment, and designed with compact wings with the weight balance in mind. Right (longer): improved atmospheric mobility type - for use by the defence force of emigrant planets, etc., as they are often used in atmospheric and space. Interpretation: in addition to the better optimization for space use, I feel there is a bit of cost-saving and simplification going on in the VF-19F; which is consistant with the VF-11B -> VF-11C progression.

To clarify my point/position, as your message indicated that aspect wasn't clearly understood. It wasn't intended as a continuation of the debate, and it definitely wasn't an attempt to get the last word. Glancing at the text, the only one that has anything relevant is on pg 080 (of course, this is just a cursory glance): In short it says that the VF-19F is indeed a space specialized VF-19 planned off of the VF-19E model. Accompanying the change of the main wing's shape, the atmospheric high-speed flight form has been omitted. I think it also says that the positions of the 2 wing hardpoints has been changed. There's more, but it appears to be about atmospheric flight performance.

And how much of that is recently published stuff? What I'm comparing is other recently published stuff, and there is consistency amongst the recently published stuff, and the stuff published years and decades ago. Anyhow, didn't you hear what Azrael said? He didn't want to drag that debate into this thread.

3rd one down.

I think it's fairly safe to double that number. Based on the following reasoning: 27 Blocks were produced (last was in 2049, and the book conveniently says that it's published in Macross City in 2050 (last page, bottom right of credits) The 1000th was part of Block 17, produced in 2044 November. Anyhow, some fun in the Squadron markings sections: YF-19 Shinsei Industry Internal Test craft YF-19 Planet Eden New Edwards Base #2 craft (M+) YF-19 Galaxy Demonstration Tour (the one with the UNS Kite, and names of planets/bases visited under each one. Selling the VF-19, hmmm?) YF-19 Rollout Anniversary Craft YF-19 Galaxy Demonstration Tour (orange and white one) VF-19C Angel Birds (!) VF-19A Valkyries (!!) VF-19F Emerald Force (Block 18 #102 craft) VF-19S Emerald Force (Block 15 #101 craft) VF-19E Nekki Basara Custom (Block 10 ? craft) Yup, that's not a mistype) Some of the variants also have numbers produced listed: YF-19: 8 VFA-19A Assoult-Calibur: 36 produced, 24 converted VF-19A. VEF-19D Warning Calibur 1: converted from VF-19D Base (radar range given, production number not >.<) VEF-19E Warning Calibur II: 36 VEF-19D produced (why it's mentioned here???), 58 VEF-19E produced) VF-19V VIP Calibur: 24 produced VRF-19D Recon Calibur: 56 produced The others (VF-19A~D and VF-19E~F,S,P) donIt indicate how many where produced. Perhaps hundreds of each?

I transposed one set of stats with another with that post. The new VF-19A/B/C/D Super Packs* have 220 HMM-20(e) micro-missiles, per pack. (Text mentions the missiles have improved thrust and manueverability compared to the previous HMM-18 micro-missiles.) Where did that 100 come from? The SPP-8 Propullsion type Mass (as in weight) Bullet Launching Pod; it carries 100 shells. Which apparently has the nickname "housenka" (sounds German to me, but can be translated into Japanese as either balsam, or, if the last syllable is a kanji; artillery battle force/strength. and is also called "popcorn pack", if that makes sense to anyone. *pg 084-085: VF-19A/B/C/D F.A.S.T. Pack (visually the same as those for the YF-19), VF-19A/B/C/D Super Pack (new), VF-19E/F/S/P Super Pack (M7 aerospace packs).

I'm starting to revise my opinion of the book - as in it's official. Main reason is that both books list Kawamori Shouji as the Supervisor. Of course, what role a supervisor plays is an unanswered question. So too would be asking if his current busy schedule has inhibited his ability to recollect what information was released in previous publications about the two craft in question. Nevertheless, the main reason for my reappraisal of the books as being more official than not, is that in addition to the supervisor, the information on the gun pod in the VF-1 book is consistant with the data printed in the other publication currently in print: Macross Chronicle. Both these publications may very well represent the creator's current vision of the universe; specifically any revisions, small or large, that have developed over the years. Which, in itself, is not new to Macross nor the VFs in Macross. The revision to the VF-1's transformation well over a decade ago is the best example of that.

Funny how that is. What with us having totally different user names, avatars, et al. ... and going back: I haven't come across that description, yet. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist (would you know the page number?) All I've found are the Mauler REB-30G adn Mauler-23 laser canons, which is consistant with information published elsewhere.

I'd be careful about speculating - especially if one limits oneself to only the political economic paradigm of their native country. Japan has it's own political economic paradigm, and Macross has largely followed that. Ie: the (New) Unified Government of Macross is not as egalitarian, nor as capitalist nor socialist as some may have us believe.

There mentioned, but it's mostly along the lines of "internal weapon bay" - which is consistant with all of the other print material on the subject.

Next to none, is more like it. Google searches in Japanese of the VF-25A net only links to sales sites for the Bandai VF collection OR blogs and other non-canon sources that mostly deal with scratch builds and kit bashes. I've just spent the past few days scouring Macross Chronicle for any mention of the VF-25A. There is none. Macross Chronicle even goes so far as to call the VF-25A the "standard version". So... having Bandai release a VF set with the VF-25A in it is a big step in the direction of proving it's a canon designation. Nevertheless, just remember that the Japanese wikipedia article that started this topic has to have a source cited to prove it exists; and that's only one, known, source.

Hmmmm... (quick internet-fu use later) I'll be... http://bandai-hobby.net/macross/goods/f_collection2.shtml (listed as VF-25A Mass Production Type) Link with top view: http://auction.woman.excite.co.jp/item/136494107 Random other Japanese sites that have the VF-25A: VFX: http://ysflight.s31.xrea.com/beginner/?VFX VF-25A kit mod blog: http://blog.livedoor.jp/sanaki0527/archives/cat_10026005.html (groovy, LARGE picts)

Read my original post a bit more closer for your answer. @ Focker: the M7 aerospace packs are in there. These are heretofore unseen packs. I'm tempted to call them fanfic, given their missile payload. Text says 100. Weither that's 100 appiece or for both is unclear from the glance I had earlier. Someone else can do the actual count. Three. Plus a VIP transport craft that can't transform. Of the three recon types, the one I mentioned is the most blaugh. Who are you talking to? Wasn't me who said that. See above about reading more carefully.

That's slightly different than in MF and the animation related publications. In short, they actually spell out the circumstances of the death of not just the mother, but the father, too.

Just picked mine up. Funny that the local Animate didn't have it, but Tsutaya, two blocks away, had it! Nice. Very nice. There are some things that are very nostalgic (ie: names of the optional wing ordinace seen on the cover of TiAS:M+), and other stuff that has me scratching my head (FAST packs that look like those for the VF-11B. Wasn't the point of the AVF to do away with FAST packs?) Anyhow... Quick run down: - Majority of images are of the (for lack of a better term) M+ wing version. Though, there is a noteable amount of the M7 wing version. - development history has not only the VF-11C, but also goes back to the VF-9, VF-4, VF=1, and beyond, to the YF-21. There's a developmental craft, the XVF-19-1 that looks like a cross between the body of a VF-11, and the wings of a VF-19. - talk of a new flight control AI: ARIEL. - structure and systems section will have everyone drooling. Things I like: seat rolls to reduce G load; wing movement; thrust vectoring nozzle; a nose-bleed-inducing cut-away; a diagram explanation of how active stealth works; a diagram of the thermonuclear engine; a diagram of how the Pin Point Barrier works; flight wing/air shockwave; pilot suits (not just M+, but also the two from the VF-X games!); block numbers and details (I think it has total numbers produced, but they're buried in the text); CV Uraga Class (in space AND on the water FTW!); VF-11 & VF-17 Things I don't like at first glance: - the sheer volume of micro-missiles in the (ficticious) FAST packs. Where's the FUEL?!? - VEF-19E Warning Calibur II - what's with that dorky radome?!

I'm thinking so, too. But I'd like a bit more confirmation in a print source. Which is why I'm asking if anyone has a scan of the article - as hobby magazines sometimes make up ficticious mecha/equipment for an anime series. The good thing is that when they do, they do indicate that it's not canon. A good example is the VF-25Gu Klan Custom.

I was browsing through the Japanese wikipedia article on the VF-25 Messiah, and it mentioned the existance of the VF-25A. linky: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A1%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%82%A2_%28%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B9%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA%29 Text in question: Scanlation: VF-25A General/Ordinary Craft The standard type. Even though the head is the same shape as the G model, it's functional difference is unknown. SMS group members, except those in Skull Squad, board it. The article also cites a source: Scanlation: "Monthly Hobby Japan" 2009.11. There is a record/statement of it on pg 181. Does anyone have that issue of Hobby Japan? If so, can you provide a legible scan of the page?

Are those CDs and DVDs recordable? (either 1 time or rewriteable)

This reminds me of an article I read on BBC news a couple days ago: CD/DVD lifespan is much shorter than thought. Something on the order of 2 to 4 years. Here's the article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/8711747.stm

Interesting. I'm in the same boat, and reading the comment it reminded me of something that Bill Gates once said: If you want something to be completely free of digital locks and copy protection and want the ability to transfer it to any player, buy the CD. Without much reworking, it can be applied to more than just music.