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  1. Aries Turner
    Makes sense. Real fighters put the engines 'inside' that main tank. VFs, however, have entire wing sections made for shoulders and arm joints, but the reinforcement issue (and the entire wing pivoting) makes sense. Seems we both were writing at the same time. Care to look into the super parts weight issue I put in the [Edit] section?
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    OK, I give you that. No, that isn't. We mecha fans should be almost glad the Siegfrieds didn't sport an all missiles defensive weaponry and a speaker gunpod. First things first: if it is stated, black on white, no further discussion is needed. It is as written. That being said, I just failed to point to the link that stated that Kawamori refined its origami techniques to pack legs and arms even closer than ever before (pg 6), and given that real life delta designs have bigger fuel tanks inside that larger wings, it wasn't difficult to reach my conclusion. But, as stated before, if for whatever reason, fuel tanks are counter-intuitively actually smaller, then those are. [Edit]: While browsing the japanese wikipedia, I noticed something about the VF-31 super parts. VF-25 super parts weight 28,000 Kg, while armored weight 40,000 Kg or 52,000 Kg when including the fighter (that weights less than 12,000 Kg when empty, so I assume the VF-25 weights that when fueled and armed). VF-31 super parts may rest in between, at 38,000 Kg, but again it isn't clear to me if that figure includes fighter weight or not. Armored parts seemed beefier than VF-25 super pack armor.
  3. Aries Turner
    Errr... exactly. Why bother if not to optimize it for atmosphere use? But they are not talking about space-bound agility here, nor better placing of verniers. Forward swept wings are notorious for improving atmospheric maneuverability. Kawamori also stated he did the Siegfried that way to not give both factions a delta design, so that is the real world explanation for the Siegfrieds resembling Basara's VF-19s, but the in-universe design is thus clearly for improved atmospheric capability. On a side note, Kawamori also strongly implied the Siegfrieds were a less lethal Kairos, while still better armed than Basara's VF-19. Siegfrieds are for the aerial show, adding to the spectacle that is Wälkure, and for defending them, the spectators and even the Var affected citizens. That explains why it is way undergunned. And mounting an inferior fold system 'reheat' that only improves thrust. I was also citing Aarons's Great Mechanics G translation when quoting the SV-262 transformation method and how *it doesn't* limit fuel storage capability. What do you make of that?
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    Then make it the VF-25 4.5 generation or 4.75, but please take into account that what I am trying to imply is that SV-262 is, or seems, VF-22 like, technology wise, but with some improvement to be able to compare favorably to VF-25s or VF-31s, but not YF-29 or YF-30. I hope that is stated somewhere, because the more I read into Sketchley's translations, the more unlikely it seems. As in almost every other VF design until YF-30, arms are stored between the engines (*), but in the SV-262 those are so neatly packed, the engines are almost side by side, the arms stored between the empty spaces above and below the cylindrical engines. The wing root is also wider and the entire wing is a delta design, so fuel capacity should be *bigger* than almost any other design. If anything, engine efficiency can be safely expected to be worst. (*) Exceptions being the VF-4 and maybe some other obscure designs.
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    Good point. As it is still way over a VF-25, lets call it Gen 5.5 then.
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    I think I (we) got lost in translation, because I am not comparing it to a super pack. Great Mechanics also points to the VF-25 being highly optimized for atmosphere use (thanks, Aaron), thus the variable wings. In fact, we see Alto and former VF-25F pilot discarding super parts *every* time they go in some kind of atmosphere. AKs, however, don't bother discarding Lilldrakens, as are more streamlined. But if discarded, the Draken alone is as streamlined even with missile pack as a naked VF-25 can be. So stating it is more adept at atmosphere is of unclear significance at best, as Siegfrieds are also an atmosphere improved Kairos. Maybe it was just stating Draken III were thought for atmosphere use right from the start (as the VF-25), as opposed to the VF-31*A*. Of course I didn't meant literally, but practically. The way Lilldrakens are integrated into the airframe on strong hardpoints, and the capability to thrust forward the entire fighter on its own without worrying about stressing such hardpoints too much, gives freedom to the main engines to divert all power to weapons. I recall some scenes where the main engine glow dimmed considerably. I assumed it was because the longer funnel would obscure most of the plasma exhaust when viewing from some angles. Didn't think about the possibility of the engines diverting most of its energy to fire. I was not stating the SV-262 as being as capable as the YF-29, no with that 'reheat' system. I was simply pointing the fact it has a similar number of weapons. In no way I was inferring those are equally capable. Good point about the YF-29 leg launchers magazine, thought. But fighter configuration-wise, it looks as a streamlined Tornado Pack without the aerodynamic penalties. The 6th generation YF-29 prototype had the same goal. The SV-262 took other path. That path took this 4th'ish generation system of systems to fight on par or better than 5th generation designs.
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    And while not having SV-262 figures, YF-29 is more powerful and uses superior technology. I even thought the reason Wright Immelman's ride was restored was that Epsilon Foundation was contacted to allow them to reverse engineer it in exchange of a superior fighter. The SV-262 seems somewhat like VF-22 technology with lessons learned (*) from the VF-27, TW1 and YF-29, a superbly honed tool that if revamped with latest Shinshei or Galaxy technology would probably surpass VF-24, YF-30 and YF-29. Who knows, maybe next series revolve around a young female engineer tinkering with a toy that... oh, sorry, done twice! (in Macross-R and Macross-30). No, seriously, think about a SV-262 with the latest in IA, EXGear, ISC, FF-3XXX and QF-5XXX. That is the kind of things Israelis do to ex-Soviet equipment. [Edit]: (*) Not knowing the specs of the twin engined YF-27-3/-5 prototypes, when faced between mounting smaller engines in the nacelles for reduced air resistance, the VF-27 opted for four of the same type, even if inferior in power output. The YF-29 retained the big FF-3001s and added another smaller engine even if that made the support chain more complex and expensive. Epsilon Foundation opted for a mixed approach: retain commonality but not between all engines of the design, but engines of the fleet, choosing an UAV engine. In fact, using an entire, streamlined UAV as an engine.
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    Of course. Also, most of the talk here assume we are talking about combinations of the same engine, with same fuel consumption, and that is not the case of the YF-29. I even tended to think on the same lines about YF-29 armament, but have now my doubts. Lets do a weapon count here for the SV-262.- Main turreted cannon/gunpod. - Twin forward firing/wrist cannons. - Twin forward firing/ head mounted machine guns. - Conformable missile packs. - Two Lil'Draken cannons - A long letter-opener to pick the nose when idle. If we look at the YF-29: - Heavy gunpod. - Main double cannon turret with (I think) forward firing capability even when not deployed. - Twin Heavy machineguns - Conformable missile packs. - Even more missiles when super parts are mounted. - A short letter-opener to trim and polish robotic nails and look cute. It looks about the same, Draken trading a heavy turret for a twin one in the YF-29 and Lil'Draken cannons instead of more missiles.
  9. Aries Turner
    There is a caveat there, somewhere. Saying the Draken is atmospheric centric have not much more meaning than saying VF-25 is more atmospheric capable than the VF-25/SPS-25S combo. It may as well mean the Draken is more asmotpheric centric than the VF-25/SPS-25S because the real comparison should be pitting it against the VF-25/TW-1 Tornado Pack combo, also more atmospheric centric than VF-25/SPS-25S.[Major edit]: In fact, the YF-29 prototype was made using VF-25 parts, reinforced to withstand higher stresses and thus unleash the full potential of the new engines and was given 'conformable' Tornado Pack capabilities. So, in a sense, maybe be should consider the SV-262 also as a 'four' engines design when Lil'Drakens are installed, even if with less technologically advanced systems. I suspect, but have no proof, that SV-262 can transfer fuel to Lil'Drakens, and maybe Lil'Draken engines can provide excess power back to the SV-262. However, even if no transfer of any kind is involved, their mere presence allow to divert main engine power for the cannon while relying on Lil'Drakens for thrust. [2nd major edit]: No, fuel and power transfer seems too complex for the Drakens while fuel monitoring could do the trick. I think the latter case is true, as it still allows to divert all or almost all main engine power to beam cannon.
  10. Aries Turner
    The real innovation of Lil'Drakens is not being an UAV/ Fast Pack combo, but an UAV/ Vernier/ Tornado combo. VF-27 drone can only aid in forward thrust when mated, while Lil'Drakens are shown for reverse thrust braking, differential thrust directional aim change and some other space-batics.
  11. Aries Turner
    Mind you, that doesn't mean there are people upside down there, as in different layers of artificial gravity, possible but more complex than a single one. Those look more as floor -1 to -30 of the upper city, the lower floors having a nice view of the lower city. That being said, it doesn't make a lot of sense if you could just make the skyscrappers go all way down to the lower layers. Then again, it follows closely the shape of hypothetical floating island city designs of the 90s, somewhat close to this one but completely square. In those designs, however, each 'floor' was 5-10 stories tall, with buildings that didn't reach the 'ceiling'.P.S.: There is a scene in DYRL that really looked as different layers of gravity, with cars running over the 'ceiling'. Have to watch that again to confirm.
  12. Aries Turner
    It is not the number of engines, but the total power output what counts. Both VF-27 and YF-29 have greater total power output that all known *current* designs with two engines. However, a single YF-30 engine have greater output that all four FBz-99G main engines combined.
  13. Aries Turner
    WTFancy!
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    I don't have photos or animation, but I recall those to do exactly that.
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    Yeah, external engines and attached winglet do rotate in some of the YF-29 aerobatics.
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    Wasn't Altira, the PC ghost undersea city?
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    I think it is simply the mounting point for the super pack. All images of that have the rudders folded below and the super pack apparently attached to thin air. So maybe it is in fact attached to the rudders hinge. A reinforced hinge at that. VF-1 was king in the category, with as much as four pylons per wing in later blocks (but only in the Master Files), up to 6 RMS in some of Tenjin Hidetaka illustrations. The mounting point in the wingtips is better achieved in the SV-262, with those 'Ghost's Lil'Draken attached to the SV-262 'mothership' and taking double duty as a 'Tornado' pack of sorts. That was a pretty clever idea, although Cygnus drones may actually be better. Lack of weaponry notwithstanding, slamming at high speed against a pinpoint barrier can't be healthy (maybe not: don't seem supersonic capable).
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    Those VF-31 hardpoints were indeed reinforced for heavy loads and multiple racks. Sorry for the lack of enthusiasm: just stating it somewhere. That also means VF-31A Kairos may be pretty capable of equipping four RMS heavies.
  19. Aries Turner
    Macross timeline is going Serenity. NUNS has grown too large and it is becoming corrupt: Heinz has a point. I wouldn't be surprised if next series (if ever) revolve around galactic kingdoms. I don't think Xaos or the entire cluster has forgiven Windermere. It was more of a regroup, account for the losses, lick the wounds kind of thing, not exactly a ceasefire.
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    I didn't saw time as collapsing, but the loss of self as people becoming little more than expansion memory. The more of self you lose, the more your memories feel simultaneous to Roid. Windermere lives are as limited as allways, but Roid had eternities to explore in mere seconds. Or something like that.
  21. Aries Turner
    Now that you mention it, I don't recall ever seen its transformation sequence.
  22. Aries Turner
    I didn't take anything personal: I just made a point. I could have nitpicked about chinese equipment but one post was more than enough. Back to business, VF-9 may or may not be ugly. I don't pretend VF-19 or YF-29 to be ugly for everyone: just for me. What I like about the VF-9 battroid is exactly that it does not pretend to look hero-like (had real world reasons for that, as it wasn't even thought for Macross). Also, its method for protecting the cockpit is quite original. A nightmare for a toy, but quite an efficient use of resources in-universe. That is the beauty of the VF-9, and I like it for that.
  23. Aries Turner
    In Macross, it is. It is no secret a lot of VFs have "Flanker" influences, both VFs and SVs, as Kawamori dislikes the dull lines of stealth fighters. That said, VF-17 inspiration is obvious, YF-21 have some YF-23 reminiscences and some lines in VF-5000 "Star Mirage" may look somewhat like the F-22 derived X-44 Manta. Unfortunately, for me, Kawamori likes X-29 and S-37 Berkut lookalikes. Only one I don't puke at is VF-9.
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    Off-topic, but can't pass this one. Finland is not a rogue state. India is not a rogue state. Most of south-America aren't rogue states. There are even countries that have bought Russian made armament not because it was vetoed American or European armament, but because Russian equipment meet their selection criteria, whatever it was. Also, being vetoed armament by one country doesn't make any state a rogue one. Yeah, I know of some countries that match your description, but it is the ton of countries which don't what matter. Spain was once a 'rogue state' and was vetoed any armament but the American made.
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    All the bitching about VF-31 not carrying as much ordinance as VF-25... and we see those two hardpoints are reinforced for heavy loads and multiple racks.
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