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Here's an interesting bit of info posted over at the animeigo mailing list. Those who've followed some of my Eva discussions over ther years, and or other assorted participants, may find this interesting. from the Eva ML. Good reading IMO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brendan Jamieson" <bjamieson1@yahoo.com> To: <bochan@r4.dion.ne.jp>; "The english-language evangelion mailing list." <evangelion@eva.onegeek.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:15 AM Subject: [EVA] The Secrets of Evangelion (Eva2 4 PS2) : I don't think this was posted here yet... At least, I : didn't see it (which may not be saying much). : : ==== From GameFAQs forum: post regarding the "secrets" : revealed in Evangelion 2 for PS2 game. The "Notes" are : the original author's.. mine are in ( ) : : Eva 01 : : - It's once again confirmed here that Eva 01 does : indeed contain Yui's soul. Also, SEELE consider having : Shinji as its pilot a danger to them, for Gendo has : his own purpose for it. : : Yui : : - Yui is the daughter of a powerful member of SEELE, : and she knows about SEELE's plans. This is why Gendo : deliberately wants to get close to her. (Keel? -b) : : Gendo : : - It's again confirmed that Gendo's ultimate plan for : human complementation project is to meet Yui, and that : he did graft Adam onto his hand for this purpose. : : Human Complementation project : : - It's a project to elevate humans into a being close : to gods. S2 unit is the "base" of god, and Evas are : the "body" of god. Once the human souls are merged : into them both, and our "last natural enemy", the fail : safe device Longinus spear is destroyed, nothing then : can stop the process of the complementation. SEELE : consider themselves superior humans and our "guides" : for completing such process. : : NOTE : This is very interesting info, particularly : that the Longinus spear can be considered a fail safe : device that may be used to stop the complementation. : It could be the reason how Shinji is able to reject : it, since the spear is merged with Eva 01. : : AT field : : - It's confirmed here that when AT field is being : expanded into infinite, humans will revert into LCL. : ie. A being close to god considered by SEELE. : : Angels : : - Angels are Adam based life forms, where humans are : Lilith based life forms. It's said here that a planet : cannot handle 2 kinds of life forms. It's described : that the Angel's actions are basically survival : instincts. Some with purpose to access with Lilith, : which will "reset" all life (thus give them rooms to : start over? not sure exactly what this means), some : with purpose to retrieve their own "creator" Adam, and : some just don't think about anything. Overall, Angels : are sent to ensure the survival of Adam based life : forms on Earth. : Note : Extremely interesting bit......finally shed : some lights to angel's mysterious actions. : : (As thought, the Angels are working mostly on their : own accord. There's no unity amongst them except that : they're "Angels". They're just aliens. -b) : : The First Ancestor Civilization : : - This is the "being" that created Angels (and : humans). : - It's described that they are "aliens" which spread : their "seeds of life" throughout the galaxy, for what : purposes or reasons are unknown today. It's said that : it's pure "bad luck" that there are 2 seeds spread on : the same planet, which results the conflict between : Adam based and Lilith based life forms. The 2 seeds : are white moon (Adam) and black moon (Lilith) : : - The first ancestors are able to make a moon like, : hallow carrier of life, and able to send it across the : universe. With such technology, the first ancestors : are considered as gods to both humans and angels. : : NOTE : By far the most interesting bit of all files, : the creators actually went towards a more Sci Fi : explanation here......certainly gives us more to think : about. : : ====================================================== : : Nothing terribly new really, imho. Mostly extensions : of things we already know. Although the seemingly.. : very overt.. alien explanations are a little.. weird : to me. :\ : : -brendan : -- : Evangelion mailing list - To unsubscribe, visit : http://eva.onegeek.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/evangelion I've been saying much of this for years. It's nice to finally have some of it backed up by Anno & Gainax in official words. :

Looks like a production sketch, obviously the fast pack was never used for anything.

That'd be the way to go, live & learn.

It's a fun OVA, and the blatant source for the story of the Matrix. If you like mecha & fanservice, you'll like Megazone 23.

Check out this topic over at AOD. Looks like some ADV disc's released in the past year or so are falling apart.....!

So has anyone had a copy that's shipped early yet? As soon as it ships, the 2 month wait for the HK can begin!

Only other box I have from them is the Eva box, which is thick & sturdy enough (cardboard, not the metal case).

It's not due until June 1st, but mine shipped out last week. And yeah, I got the edition with the box (you may notice the little description above), suffice it to say it's really freakin' thin! Almost VHS slipsleeve thin. In art & construction, the box is vastly inferior to the box that the HK set used.

Just got my copy with box yesturday. Despite the crapass dub trailer they've had out for download, it's actually an impressive release. The video is clearned up nicely, must have gotten the new R2 DVD masters. The Japanese stereo is also vastly superior to the HK set, though for obvious reasons I didn't check out the dub. Subtitle script is pretty free of trash, though I'm sure there's plenty in the dub. If they can keep up the video & audio quality for all 3 releases, I'll be happy, though the box art is vastly inferior to the HK set, barely any mikimoto art, just a couple images and then a large side dedicated to part III. The extra's are pretty slim. Just an art gallery, and commentary track. The commentary track is actually interesting. Most of the 10 minutes I listened to was shooting back & forth about anime in the 80's, OVA's, how hard it was to get tapes & LD's, etc. Then they go into talking about the show, and obvious comparison with Macross (which they pronunce "mu-cross.") Even funnier was in pronuncing a show they themselves released, "Moss-peada." I just can't help but laugh at how much "old school anime" cred is lost with such blatantly idiotic pronunciations. It also doesn't help that they demeened Macross for having a "music saves the day" theme, when in the very next part of Megazone 23, a very similar occurance happens.... suffice it to say I gave up on the commentary at that point. All things considered though, a nice release, and in my opinion at least, its worth upgrading from the HK set. Hell, I may track down a double jewel case, and switch the new box set with my HK set art & box since it looks that much better.

I had the same problem when I went to go pick up Gunbuster & 0079 TV, spontanoiusly out of production right when I wanted them....bastards! Anyway, like everyone said, best thing to do is hang out. I'd sell you mine, but I may end up using the box & insert's for my ADV set's depending on how theirs come out (almost definately will be inferior in art used).

No, Yamato is definately a special case. On one side it has the genius Leiji Matsumoto behind it, and on the other side it has the freakin' loon Nishizaki behind it. Yamato can't help but have mutliple story outcomes (such as Farewell Yamato & Yamato 2). In most cases it was Matsumoto saving the franchise from Nishizaki's whacked out idea's.

Actually, there were 2 Galaxy Express 999 sets (1-16, & 17-36). Rumor has it the 3rd set was about to go into production right before SARS broke out, and hasn't seen the light of day since....frakking bastards I NEED MORE GALAXY EXPRESS!!!! THEY WERE JUST ABOUT TO GET TO THE FREAKIN' MI EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL FOREVER HATE THEM FOR NOT FINISHING!!!!!!!!!!! ....I also heard an R2 rip Yamato movie set was in the pipeline, but that too seems to have faded away, leaving us no choice but to buy Voyager's VHS dump set.. The way I look at it, these older shows are still popular in HK, and Japan is pumping out more official sets each year. Sure the trend now is to churn out TV rip after TV rip, R1 rip after R1 rip, but within a year or so, the good stuff will return. Once Harlock TV gets its individual disc release in Japan, hopefully that will come out. Although I am shocked that there has been no new rip of V Gundam with the improved DVD masters. What pisses me off almost as much as the 999 thing though (and that pisses me off more than you can imagine), is the OOP Gunbuster disc. Right when i went to order it, it disapeared off the face of the planet. Same thing with the 0079 TV set. Hopeflly with Gunbuster 2 bringing back interest, either an R1 or HK company will do something about it.

This sounds more like an issue of pre-liminary pre-production info from a fanzine Vs officially sanctioned info than anything. Much in the same way the pre-production name "Phoenix" got out for the VF-0, despite not being a "final" decided on designation.

Considering all the Zor civiliians were abandoned by their own leaders due to falling levels of Protozor, Jeanne herself rejected the joining process, and again, Seifriet rammed the only existing source of Protozor with his dying action, I think it's pretty safe to say they didn't re-assimilate with the plants. If they had, then there would have been 3 of everyone in that last shot, 'nuff said. The whole point was to bring humanity back to the Zor.

Mospeada: Most likely the fleet was destroyed, but then considering they were about to Nuke Earth, do you honestly think Stik & gang would care about them? Southern Cross: The survivors were "not" going to turn into Zor. Seifriet destroyed all of the protozor by ramming the ship into it. The ending represented the surviving humans & surviving Zor on Glorie facing a future of having to rebuild together in a "human" society.

Nope, doesn't appear to be removing anything, he is indeed rubbing out eye holes. Considering the hands are built for manipulation, it stands to reason they'd have some grip to them.

1/3rd new animation is all I needed to know. Love Zeta, love the thought of new Zeta animation, and it justifies the movie purchase after the TV box set comes out. Now if they could follow it up with a ZZ movie trilogy that repairs the first 20 episode story arc....

Anima Spiritia is not something indiginous to Basara. Hell, he even taught Sivil, Gigil, & Gepelenitch to generate it. By all indications, what type of spiritia a person generates seems to be determined by what kind of effort & temperment they put into whatever they're doing. City construction workers are catagorized as having "Build" spiritia, etc. It's stated nowhere that only specific people can create it, just that it was discovered by the Protoculture that certain people generating Anima Spiritia helped fight the Protodevelin. Think of it in terms of hot sauce. Regular spiritia a light & tasty salsa, while Anima Spiritia is a super hot extra spicy 3rd degree burns to your tongue style salsa (in regards to effects on Protodevelin).

Spiritia is most definately a quantifiable/measureable energy. Anima Spiritia again being a specific "pure" type of it. As for the posative & negative thing, its only been shown to have been generated by posative actions, otherwise (as said) the Protodevin would have been able to sustain themselves. Basara however wasn't the only member of Sound Force capable of generated it, he was just the most powerful member (and obviously as such, Sivil's target). It was pretty much stated though that anyone is capable of generated Anima Spiritia, it just requires a strong conviction to do so. The process again however was: -Person generates spiritia -Sound Energy Converter (vest aparatus) acts as a bridge to draw that energy out into a more focusable form. -Sound Boosters amplify that energy & allow direction of it. As for the whole culture shock thing, that's an entirely different matter. It literally was a confused emotion due to being exposed to something new. It however wasn't what won the war against the Zentradi. To put it more simply, the culture shock may have peaked their interst towards Earth culture, but it was experiencing the emotions attached which caused the unrest in the Britai Adoclas fleet. Had it just been a simple matter of culture shock (not the 3 spies going & experiencing human culture, then sharing it with their friends), it would have worn off, and they still would have killed everyone. But feeling those emotions, and wanting to feel more prompted them to turn against Bodolza.

The speakers build into the Valkyries are for atmospheric conditions (inside City 7, on a planet, etc), and are only used under those circumstances. The Sound Boosters however aren't speakers at all. The only reason they're called "Sound Boosters," is because Chiba dubbed the phenomenon as "Song Energy," when it doesn't have anything to do with singing whatsoever. Their full function is to further amplify the Spiritia of sound force, and as others have said, channel it towards a specific area. The Sound Booster works directly in conjunction with the energy amplifying vest thingy (don't recall the name) again to further amplify the power being created. As for Spiritia, it's just Kawamori's word for life force, soul energy, ki, etc. Anima Spiritia specifically being the type generated when someone is really passionate about what they're doing. As I've said before, Sound Force are Kawamori's equivilent of Newtypes. Consider the Sound Boosters to serve a similar purpose to the psycommu.

Sound doesn't travel in space in 7 either. The music is transmitted on comm channels, & or with the speaker pods. Most of it is centered around launching & VF-11's blowing up. As you said, what series doesn't?

I dissagree. LLA was worth paying $40 for the import, it's sure as hell worth picking up the HK set.

Considering that we do get to know all the main characters with a good amount of depth & backstory, and even many of the secondary characters have decent screen time & introduction, I just don't see where the whole schtick is coming from. Lack of character development means that characters are being used as wallpaper & are never really delt with. 7 has an almost exclusive assortment of episodes focusing either on specific character conflicts or main plot elements, very little filler. As opposed to say a show like Pokemon or Yu Gi Oh, where all episodes center around collecting, trading, battling, etc. As for the battles, while there were no epic OVA styled dogfights, there were some great battles. Death Match at Planet Lux, The fight where Physica died, Gigil's last fight, the assault on Varuta to name a few. Would you consider many of the battles in the original Macross to be epic? Hikaru flies loses an arm/gets shot down, etc? Not every episode of every show is going to be a show stopper, especially when the show's main focus isn't fighting in the first place. Basara wasn't flying a VF-11, & had a pinpoint barrier. He does get hit on occasion, just nothing detrimental. Standard hero character action. Hero characters live through just about anything, cannon fodder characters blow up when you sneeze at them, that's just the way it is. As for the getting killed, why kill targets when your objective is to steal spiritia from them? Later on in the series (around the time Sivil appears) you start to see more VF-11 pilots not surviving. Why don't you just go watch that old WWF cartoon & quit wasting everyones time?

[blockquote]You don't have any data, and neither do I... The difference is, I am a marketing professional (I get paid $$$$$ to make assessments like this), and you are just crying about some show that you emotionally feel compelled to defend.[/blockquote] And consideing no one is paying you here, it can be just as easily assumed we're getting our moneys worth.... Macross 7 was no more a kids show than the original series. You wanna bitch about multi-colored Valkyries? What the hell did you think Hikaru's custom scheme, Max's custom scheme, Milia's custom scheme, as well as a huge red white & blue ship were about? As for death's, 7 had more than its share, no less dramatic than anything which came before. Character developement was mountains over Plus, any claim otherwise is pure delusion. Mecha battles, what the hell do you expect on a TV budget when compared with an OVA budget. No worse than any of its contemporary TV anime counterparts. Animation: Character animation stands out as very constant in quality. Popularity? Take a look at the crowd shots for any of the concert omake. The majority of the people there aren't "kids." The series suceeded in a 52 episode run (counting the encore episodes) a feat which no Gundam series has even achieved. A less popular show would have had its run cut short to 26-30 episodes. Hell, look at Gundam X which again is related to a much bigger franchise, it was a less popular show, and was trimmed down in episode count. Macross 7 has been released on VHS, LD, & DVD by Bandai. Again, not every Gundam Franchise (including X) has made it to DVD. Half hour movie special & 4 episode OVA, countless albums (yes JPOP, but what series at the time, let alone now DOESN'T use JPOP?). "NUFF SAID!

Nope, it's definately 9 disc's. http://www.animeniacs.com/index.php?act=ca...em&item=DVD0475