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They are just kidding themselves if they say "it's the last one cuz I have too much". That's what people said after all the non-canon vf-1 started coming out. Ah I just bought a GBP from HLJ while on sale. Really great quality on this. Detail everywhere but due to the chunkyness it's got limited posability. Although not as feature rich as yamato later releases, I still think the 1/48 line overall is thier most QC-safe to get. Any news on if they make the reactive armor for the VF0? I can barely keep up with other releases now. I hope the loose limb syndrome is fixed for future macross zero valks.

Plus the logan's legs are humanoid not chickenoid. This thing looks like a cross between a gerwalk, glaug and logan.

Heck yamato should just put a "1 year warranty on all stress marks, crack and fractures" card for every new macross release. So little faith... I'm praying this thing is not going to end up with the floppy limbs or the cracks due to overtightness. It's got to be just the right balance.

http://www.kissdum.com/mecha.html# It combines with other vehicles. Just like the glaug if the glaug was allowed to combine with other things beyond just the glaug booster.

They should. How long ago has it been when someone bought a vf-1 with loose nosecone? I don't think anyone has complained about that in ages. If you buy secondhand from someone with a old release there might be that. I think graham owns a few of these actually. I remember asking about them. I'm pretty sure he posted some pics of them once. Don't see these on ebay at all.

Thanks I'm interested to see how this goes. I like the idea of smaller mecha to be honest. Something the size of those suits in appleseed is more my style. If anything I think real robot shows like Patlabor demonstrates the semi-usefulness of a giant robot by how clumsily something that size would move in a city packed with traffic and other obstacles and the risk of crushing people if you had to actually walk about. 1. barely able to jump 2. wrecking the floor everywhere you step 3. not able to shoot because you might kill somebody innocent 4. so expensive that the police can barely afford it or justify the reason for its existence where the occasional drunken labor construction worker could easily be taken down with other vehicles etc

Well in anime the adults are usually the bad guys because they have made a decision that goes against what their own son believes. Ie the adults: "lets kill all the [insert alien race] and bring peace back to our homeland through force. These new robots should teach those invaders a thing or two about messing with us." The younger generation: "stop killing people you idiot. I have friends who are [insert alien race], and I just want to screw his alien sister cuz she is hot! I want to make babies with her someday and live in a peaceful world. Can't we reason with them and everyone just calm the fart down and disarm their guns before it goes out of control?" *cue whiney screaming* Then a big fight happens which kills important people (VIPs) giving more reason to toughen defenses and then march to war again and the story turns into a race to destroy the doomsday weapons that either side has developed before it ends in post-apoc world and there is no future generation to carry on living, before the weapons fall into some villain's hands who happens to also be a madman who had a traumatic childhood; which is revealed at the end, and who just wants to kill all humans because they've commited sins and are too unevolved to understand each other through communication. (ok enough picking on gundam for one day ) Anyway that is how I see the PC: the weapon got out of control and the peaceful ones tried to come to earth to start again, against orders, just before they became extinct and that resulted in humans ages later. (just speculating here. That's my interpretation) To a lesser extent you could say this children vs adults idea was also in the star wars trilogy with luke having to fight his own dad because his dad was too messed up to keep a clear head to see that the empire is evil.

Nah I meant it in a more loose term because he saves humanity messiah-like. Oh so he is the only person in the world to fight these monsters kind of thing. And he even "dies" at one point. And these PD are like unstoppable force of evil locked away. The only way to deal with them is to seal them like some ancient vampire lying in a coffin for ages until some later generation accidentally unleashes them from thier 100years ancient rest. But only Basara has the way to do it. The military is useless against them. It's a little like how bullets don't hurt zombies enough so a vampire slayer uses techniques like bladed weapons to cut the head off or a stake to puncture the heart so the body can't move anymore. OR how you expose a vampire to sunlight and it dies. In this case they use music to get the ghost or spirit out of the body and the person back to normal. It's an ancient technique that modern science can't explain so it's up to a select group of individuals to handle. Sketch: I'll just quote the bit from the compendium I'm interested in: The extradimensional energy beings are the devils controlling the bioweapons. (proto meaning "first", devlin sounding like the word "devil", so these being the "first devils" recorded by the ancient PC and explained by exedol when he visits the ancient PC ruins where the cave paintings were showing the history of the PC and how they came about) Think a mixture of resident evil with ghostbusters. (demons, spirits, ghosts entering and possessing a person to control them against their will or intentionally invited by the host body.) Basara cures the possessed being by exorcisng the evil spirits from the weapons and they no longer become vampiric needing to eat energy to sustain thier existence. PD = the ghosts from the other dimension. (there are probably living beings in that dimension) Evil = the weapons themselves. The reason I imagine them as vamps is because they feed off humans and use them like cattle. Sucking them off energy to survive. As if they were no more than food. Humans are the animals, the devils use the humans (feeding off them like the vamps) as a food source the same way that humans eat animals or plants to survive. The protodevlin are so scary they are the zentradi's equivalent to seeing a ancient vampire or ghost. (even Exedol is freaked out and hides under the ship as if it is the end of the world or something. If it was just the evil series itself he would have just explained what they were in a casual manner.) The first thing that comes to mind when you see the PD goth chick, is that she looks like a vampire. The "zombies" are just people whose minds or spirit was sucked dry and basara brings thier spirit back through music. Its only through music that the zombies come back to "life". Ever hear someone call a nerdy boring person a "stiff"? It's as if there is no life in them. The music gave people back thier culture the same way music puts the spirit back into the lifeless zombie. The energy produced from music has a ressurecting effect on the people who've lost thier memory and gone into some zombie like status. It's pseudo-scientific which is why the doctor who makes all the weapons is seen as a little crazy like the ghosbuster were in the ghostbuster's movie. Nobody believes in the spiritual world or vamps or anything in either macross 7 or zero. Aliens yeah, but not supernatrual demons. That is why Exedol is freaked out. It's like a rare event to see one of them. I think the thing that it reminds me of is the whole concept of opening a gate to hell and not knowing how to stop it because it is an ancient problem that nobody found a solution to or just forgot it. In Doom you have those cyberdemons, in the game halo, it's the flood. In macross it's the protodevlin. But macross 7 didn't make them scary like the former. Macross 7 could have been scary with the whole "monsters in space thing" imo. It's the execution of the series, more than the plan, that failed to make us take it seriously. Zombies are scary in dawn of the dead and resident evil. Demons from hell can be frightening when presented right. It's just that I never felt like the PD were threatening enough to warrant exedol's reaction. ..But if the PD looked and behaved say like the enemies you see in Doom or something where they physically eat humans, sound scary and generally make people into zombie soliders who attack normal people (rather than just sit there in a mindless state) it would be much more interesting. There would be a sense of danger, and people actually dying, sometimes in a gruesome way. The original Bubblegum crisis had that dark feeling to it, which I think would be perfect for a more adult macross.

I just want an Isamu Dyson or the character from ninja scroll to be what the main character is like. Or maybe a character like spike from cowboy bebop? (Spike = space cowboy, while the guy in champloo = one of spike's ancestors from japan Spike is just more easy to relate to for the west because of his fighting style which clones all of bruce lee's moves) I don't know about you guys but wasn't basara the kind of character who would go against the grain and for that reason, people would have to "put up with him"? I don't think only western audiences want non-whiny or non-pussy characters, fans just want something that isn't always the same story as told in every other anime about the kid with the communication problem. It's more that we are jaded and have seen it. I think that dyson suits macross plus because he is a test pilot for a machine that needs to show off to the military how good their tranforming fighter is compared to the competition so it's not that the character is out of place in that setting. You might need a person who takes risk and "pushes it to the limit" to get the most out of the machine. In fact the traditional guy who doens't take risks and plays it safe all the time (Guld) is actually more successful when he takes the limiter off when the time comes for it. (ie people's life is in danger) Now given that Dyson does this with the yf-19, how is that any different from when amuro ray complains that the gundam is too slow for his movements to keep up with his reflexes? Same thing imo just that one guy is cocky and shows off, and the other guy is more geeky and whiney. The thing they have in common is that because they are using an expensive piece of machinery the rules that apply to the regular soldiers are not going to apply to these characters because it is experimental and new. Trying crazy stuff might mean you find out something you wouldn't have found out had you been too hesitant to experiment and play around a bit to get a feel for what the robot/plane/superweapon could do. Its anime FFS. Normal people know its not real and they watch it for an escape. Maybe they should take a different approach and not deliberately focus it only at fan of a genre by ignoring convention and just make it apreciatable to everyone instead? (the same way hikaru didn't always steal the show from roy or max despite being the main character. I'm pretty sure most people thought roy had the coolest vf-1 when they first saw SDF:macross. I mean it was as much about other characters as it was about minmay and hikaru and misa) I can watch pretty much either type of anime whether it be directed internationally or just for japan so it's not going to be a big deal to me. I bet many purists are just going to import thier dvds from japan anyway right? The episode in eureka 7 with those two red and blue Qrau clones reminded me of DYRL. Micromissile swarms, Qraus, love triangle, acrobatic dogfights, transformation, end of the world theme - that was pretty much a macross right there minus valks. If they just put it in space, on different planets, have fleet battles, a gundam like arms-race, a bit of 8th MS Team sense of danger, and not stretch the series over 50 eps to tell the story like they did with macross 7, it shouldn't be that bad. They then pad the series with all the character build up to break up the action, (macross 7 had pretty deep characters I thought) and there ya go. I thought macross Zero was too short, (rushed ending) and macross 7 was too long. repetitive songs, repetitive recycled combat animations, and the theme of monsters learning to tap into ther own power to save themself by singing took ages. (remember when that vampire chic was stuck in the tree hibernating for aaaages?! and basara had to sing to it until it woke up? that was boring!) So something in between (maybe 26 eps and a cliff hanger ending) would be good. I thought what spoiled macross 7 was that we actually saw the monsters too early. We saw things from thier point of view and they weren't mysterious enough. They should have made the PD more like those evil demons in ninja scroll where you only get to see what they can do, after they killed something. They weren't evil but it might have made them more scary. I guess it just wasn't allowed to be violent and that is what held back mac7.

Protodevlin are just devils that took possession of people and fed on thier emotions. So when you are depressed you attract the devils and they feed off that energy. Think of venom from spiderman. The hate, the anger, the need to kill, is something that can be inside anyone. So venom = the devil inside people when they give into the negative emotions. Basara is like the solution to free people from the negative that makes them braindead. Spiritua heals the person who is depressed and drained of life. One example of this is the character Alice Holiday who lost the will to keep singing. When she was exposed to the energy of the younger generation it inspired her to keep creating and producing more. Artists can feel drained of creative energy. So when the basara guy kept singing and singing, the devils couldn't possess those creatures anymore and those creatures could create thier own things rather than feeding off humans like vampires and allowing thier negative feelings to remain. They had some creative force awakened inside them to be able to produce energy for themselves. No need for human farms. I keep thinking that this story is similar to the matrix where all the dead people are those that have thier bodies used as an energy source for the robots and willingly accept the world as it is by giving up thier individuality and identity and just being a number. The cool people, don't allow the matrix to shape thier feelings, like all the people living in the matrix ignorant of a world outside the one they live in, they instead create thier own reality outside the matrix and shape the world. (kind of like a god but they have to hack into the computer to mod the computer world as opposed to having super powers) Basara is basically a jesus figure saving people from themselves. If you consider that war starts from humans to begin with (humans are just as warlike as the zentradi) then you can consider basara as like a peacemaker trying to use non-violent ways to solve problems by making people independant of the need to take from others which would be one thing that people fight about that may start wars in the first place) If people had energy inside them to create things, so they didn't need to kill other people to get it, would humans fight and compete with other for food like the animals in nature have to? Humans are materialistic. Maybe that's why the PC destroyed themselves? They were scared to lose what they had and couldn't trust people? Eventually they got selfish, develop weapons, use these to kill each other and the war spread not just between them but involved the whole known explored universe. (resulting in the giants who were purposely created for only 1 purpose - destruction) The pc were really US, in the future. So the story is a warning to future humans to not be so materialistic and share stuff. Mylene is an example since she couldn't have been allowed to access the knowledge in the ruins without being a product of two different races joining together. Sounds kinda touchy-feely, but it's in all the macross stories such as DYRL where giants had to unite and break thier mind controlled programming, very much like the people living in the matrix who had to be awakened to the real world. Just think of spiritua as the powers that Neo had when he was inside the matrix, and Basara as being someone who could naturally tap into the energy through his songs. People feelings of hate and anger and depression go away when they hear a song, laugh, and think outside the box by opening thier mind to other things. (Neo in the matrix broke the rules as did the Agent Smith guy later on causing them to accidentally tap into some superhuman ability) I don't know if this analogy is a good one but it makes sense to me. They are both considered science fiction movies, but there is a common theme in them of "breaking the system and not following the existing one handed down to you", in order to bring an end to an endless repeating cycle. (in the case of matrix the reliance of robots on humans as a battery, and in the case of mac 7, the need for beings to have to keep feeding off humans all the time) Killing each other is only going to be a patch-fix and short term band-aid solution because eventually the various sides will destroy each other by killing each other off - leading to extinction once the weapons become destructive enough to kill millions at a time and it gets out of control. There has to be a solution that gives both sides what they want. I guess the singing is the way to make people calm and forget war, so in the show it is represented as some mysterious magic force. It didn't really have to be that way to the point of replacing weapons with music speakers but it gets the point across that way. They did it again in zero by making the villages hate materialistic things like radios and valkyries. They could be seen as the products of materialistic men who use them to fight and kill each other in order to obtain them. A bit like the animals competing for food in nature. But the difference is nature usually gives back and uses what it takes to create things. Men use it to create weapons which destroy things. The song of destruction is the music the humans make everytime they fire some new weapon to kill something, the song of creation is the nature you see in the show. The protoculture were trying to run from that war to start all over again because earth must have seemed like a paradise away from war when they came along. with lots of primitive life. But ironically its the weapons they brought with them that endangered us. Since the UN and AntiUn wanted to use them to make thier killing machines more sophisticated. I think these kind of theme are not popular amoungst some because it tries to preach to you. Some people just want a simple robot show with action in it. I'm a fan of both. I don't hate macross 7, I understand it, but I tend to go with the style of macross plus and SDF:Macross more than macross 7. I just can't take the usage of sound weapons that seriously. I've mentioned in previous posts that at least in SDF:Macross when minmay sang her songs, there were still some zentradi out there who developed an immunity to minmay's music and started to learn our tricks. So the singing wasn't the end all solution to everything. There was more cynicism in SDF:macross I felt. Kamjin knew humans would try singing but still broke from the spell of minmay's song to continue to be a threat to the good guys in the story. In the end what resulted was some zentradi holding to thier warrior beliefs and defecting from the human side to fight as warriors again for what they believed was "right" to them. (even though we know they've been programmed to think this way) It wasn't a happy feel good ending like the one in macross 7. There was also the possibility of "there could be more like him out there" and it left the story open. DYRL also had left the ending open with the possibility that some just won't ever agree to be peaceful and to me that means you needed the weapons just in case. Many people feel that basara method can endanger lives because not everyone is a ace pilot like he is, to be able to just doge your way through things. It's just sorta judgemental to those who would feel more comfortable shooting things because it's their way of fighting. You could choose to fight through songs, or with weapons. But overall, the show doesn't seem believable because the only solution is if everyone just sings their way through it. Yes minmay helped win SW I by song, but it was only a distraction so that we could kill off the leader. One was a bit more realistic and practical; cynical of it ever actually working because it sounded so ridiculous, and another was more idealistic, ALWAYS working and never failing. Somewhere between SDF:Macross and Macross 7 the franchise lost some believability. In Zero, shin doesn't put much faith in the idea of people flying, and we see the girl actually levitate rock with her mind or sing to make plants grow really really fast. She's got super powers not different from a character from the x-men. It's a big jump from SDF:macross where humans are grounded in the practical things and limited to technology, to macross zero where humans are seen able to generate the barrier themselves imo. The girl in macross zero is like the Alien with levitation powers in ET. She went home and the evil humans never got to study her. But instead of her just making the kids bicycle fly in the air, shin mysteriously obtained her powers and made his valk fly into space too! But no explanation. Seemed rushed.

I would prefer it be alternate universe anyway as opposed to part of the original macross universe. Like how you can interpret Do You Remember Love as a mythological retelling of an event from other people's point of view. Do you Remember Love wouldn't make sense if it was canon events. Minmay in the tv series created her "My boyfriend is a pilot" song from her experience meeting hikaru. But in DYRL she could be singing about ANY boyfriend who happened to be a pilot. (she was stuck aboard a ship with pilots so the possibility could be there if you never saw the tv series) At the start of the movie she hasn't even met hikaru yet and she is singing that song. So hikaru can't be the boyfriend she is singing about in her song. Macross II can just "stand alone" as a story by itself like DYRL did. Why the need to link it to every other thing created in the macross universe? Can't the various tv series and movies and ova's be considered seperate universes but different ways of telling the same event? (assuming the timelines overlap. I'm not talking about ova or a movie which is deliberately made to be a continuation from something else but more the type of ova or movie that overlap or contradict the earlier version of a story or where plans are going to be made for a future ova tv series or movie that will overlap when they eventually come.)

All future head guns will have sound weapons on them. No more reaction bombs, missiles, lasers or gunpods. The new generation will have to fight by having various valks dance and sing to the zentradi rogues and if you get shot at, too bad. UN SPACY has unlimited supply of soldiers willing to die this way and put themselves at risk by just cloning basara. And if you think you can escape the war by running away, you will be folded back into the fight until you die from getting shot, or the alien listens to your music and succumbs to the mind control that results from having the lyrics burnt into the memory so they will never forget the song ever again. (because the same one is used each episode. That;s how the alien song in DYRL got popular and was so effective against the zentradi and why people remember it. It was the only pop song they had in ancient times.)

Wow that looks good. I like the battroid mode seen here

They should all hold a competition to see who gets the contract like in macross plus. Then whoever wins the comp gets the contract to make all future macross toys. Yf-19 keeps getting wrecked so I would say yamato = shinsei industry yf-21 is unreliable and untrustworthy since the zentradi are behind its making. Bandai similarly might make the toys suck to not compete with thier gundam toys. Bandai = general galaxy. In a sense you could say: "Who cares about what 'could be' if they are just going to sit on the license, not even care about it, and release nothing for us fans?" ^ joke post only. Please don't get offended. But seriously I am divided. I think yamato show dedication to the macross fandom more than bandai, but I wish bandai put as much effort as they do with gundam into bloody macross for once. Chunky munky was great for its time but I often wonder if they would bother re-releasing anything had there not even been competition in the first place or massive prices on ebay for some toys. Do we have to wait years and years and years before they get off thier butt to please us? Macross fans will be abandoned since they have gundam to milk forever so there is no incentive for them to care about us fans. It's only if they think they'll make the money amoungst the mainstream to get them to do anything. My point is attitude towards the license is also important too. If they are not serious, then it might reflect in the quality of the toy and how much effort they put behind it. In a way I think had yamato had the same consistant quality of the best toy companies out there, I think they would deserve my dollars more. But if another company manages to do a better job, say, release a vf-1 that betters the 1/48 I will end up going with that company. As much as you can put trust behind a label, what I care most about is the result. So yeah I haven't put in a vote and really split on this poll. Maybe a dark horse will come out from nowhere and becomes the "Ghost X9" and makes the best macross toys?

If the new macross is like plus that would be good. Those scenes of the vf-11 fighting in space against the rogue zentradi are images that come to mind when I think of a *serious macross. Imagine the animation quality of something like eureka 7 but with the battles you see in plus with all kinds of fancy dogfights and realistic mecha porn. Macross Zero could be the training for making some great fighting with considerations for how the mecha fight depending on the environment and each mode. No recycling of dogfights as seen in macross 7 this time. In fact aim high: it should live up to masterpiece quality where you would feel proud to own on HDdvd/bluray or whatever to rewatch. *what I mean is the tone isn't too lighthearted and funny like m7. The original macross had a main character who was depressed half the time. And the ending was bittersweet. No one really ever died in macross 7 and its too happy imo. In DYRL you saw lot of violent and sometimes humorous deaths. I don't want them to glorify the killing or violence or anything, just have it for parts that may need it. ie Milia's point blank QRau arm cannon shot to the face was a cool if unecesary finisher, and pretty much sums up how fierce the fighting can get for close range. It's a part of the movie that makes you think "OMG, what if she is going to do that to max or another of the main characters?" and then you look forward to seeing the big fight. Gritty realism FTW! Which is why I wonder why people are so scared of macross becoming stale like that "evil" gundam show. Even within gundam there is some originality. Turn A for example. I liked that. But I also liked the unoriginal stuff because it offers more of what I like. (Isn't seed just retelling 079 for today's kiddies?) Ok so that isn't an excuse to milk the idea over and over again until people can't stand it, but how many times do you hear about people trying to get new anime watchers to watch macross and people comment on how bad some of the eps are animated and then get turned off? What's more important is maintaining fan interest imo. What's funny is that although UC is the most developed of the gundam universes it also is the most done to death for that reason, so it is almost like the interest is doomed to die off anyway if they DON'T keep making different AU stories for other generations. A dead franchise means no interest to see the franchise continue to develop more in future by enough people to make it worth the risk continuing, and that then translates into less for fans to look forward to in the long run. Ok so the creator says he is sick of macross, but think about this: if macross II had never been done by someone, would we even have plus or 7 today? Interesting food for thought. You got to balance the risk of "making something stale and hurting the franchise" with "maintaining interest for the fans out there". Although I agree they should leave hikaru, misa, and minmay alone, (what's told is told) I still do feel they needed to explain what actually happened to those characters in some way. Flashback shows us that they went into space on the megaroad, but then what? At least have something about the people who went in search of them. No mention at all about what happened to max's best friend in macross 7. I thought that was kind of odd personally since he was like this legendary major character. Fans like to know that stuff.

No wonder there is a glaug-looking thing in that show.

Yeah those are the ones. All I remember was four-legged panther, the valk thingy, and some chicken legged mobile armor which could transform into several things.. They stood out because they had different forms to other shows and kinda reminded me of macross because of those features. (reverse leg thing reminded me of zentradi regult, the fighter plane reminded me of the valk, and the panther looked like something from zoids.) Because they looked unique, they looked like they suited different environments. The dogs are good for running so are the ground mecha. The chicken looks like it could land on any surface and they just look like they are able to hop around like the regult. The valk is the king of the skies and dogfighting. Like the octos in mac 0, which was for underwater use, I am wondering: assuming this is going to be a big war like the original SDF:M, will they make lots of different types of mecha for each environment? ie some crawl across the ground, others swim in the sea, some fly in space (think of the koenig monster) and some just roll using treads or wheels on the feet. I hope there is a nice balance of types. (not just humanoid stuff) The anti-un had knowledge of transformation way back in the macross zero days so even though it was a secret to the public, I would love to see more of the transformation idea used in the destroids in later generations. Variable Glaug? check Variable monster? check variable Qrau? check Variable spartan? someone made a fanfic one. Wouldn't mind seeing more of something like that for example. If the zentradi can have glaugs that fly, naturally destroids should get something like that too right?

Looking forward to seeing what this is about. Do you think it will take place in different environments the way gundam shows are? like some battles on the ground, some in space, others at sea, and a few inside a complex. (I dunno like a massive battroid and destroid raid of an enemy base with violent messy deaths on the level of DYRL?) ..And it all ends with a giant superweapon developed in secret with millions of deaths. I think if it is going to be a tv series and have epic story with many characters involved and twists then I will definately be interested. Oh yeah I know people hate gundam wing (especially the beam rifle that has the power of the sdf 1's main gun able killing army of mecha with a single shot as if it was a fighting game character's super move ) but if this turns out to be something like that or seed, I doubt it will destroy the macross name. It might actually be profitable in toy sales and mean we see more macross stories that old fans would like. So there might actually be an upside to it if it does do a Gundam Seed-style brightly colored kiddie-fied mecha show. I know I would prefer a more gritty 8th ms team type thing, but it won't piss me off THAT much if it doesn't live up to expectations. (as someone else put it the only way is up) Maybe it will be more equivalent to what Turn A Gundam was which isn't designed for selling toys and stuff, and just be about characters. (an image of Syd Mead-designed valks just popped into me head lol) Some of my fave mechas in seed destiny were: -the dog like mecha on four legs that transformed into a humanoid gundam. -the transformable mobile armor which had the chicken legged mode. -that valkrie gundam that had a transformation similar to the zeta gundam. I'm crap with remember thier names.

Be gentle with her now! That thing is scary to TF the first time.

I'll be waiting for the reviews. Its such a skinny mecha. Almost insect-like.

I saw this. More of a dvd rental imo. The rotten tomato reviews seemed to think it was slow and boring and took ages to tell the story, but I didn't think it was that bad.

It's like the core fighter of gundam but it transforms. It looks like the zentradi made these mecha. The Regult is back! actually from the side it looks like a glaug with VF-0s battroid arms atached to it. Wierd. I like that the robots are small and not giant sized though. If this is as good as E7 I will be watching.

Hell yes. Thanks for all the pics graham. Drooling at the thought of getting these. Mospeada mecha are a classic fave design of mine. About the comments on too much diecast: as long as the joints are strong enough and this thing can pose without the dreaded loppy limb syndrome, I'm going to be happy. Ratcheted joints sounds good. Shows they care about more than just fighter mode. I actually think toynami should clone the CM and make plastic non MPC versions to be honest. matbe sell an organ. Once these come out I wonder if the gakken will go down in price?

I'm going to watch the old tv series. Is this the best to start with for noobs? I hope the new series doesn't suck. I didn't buy the toys but I know I will like this if it has a gritty real robot feel to it. Maybe if it does well bigwest will make a macross destroid spin off series trudging through hilly terrain with no air support in camo paintschemes and having to rely on teamwork to survive and generally hiding and seeking cover as if thier lives depended on it. /joking. Good section on mahq on votoms: http://www.mahq.net/animation/votoms/votoms.htm episode summary and reviews of all the eps: http://www.mahq.net/animation/votoms/votoms.htm

Anyone know of any cool mods related to macross for those particular games? I was just thinking it would be cool if you could fly around in space in a YF-21 in freelancer or shoot zentradi fighter pods down instead of the normal stuff you see in the game. Not sure if this is the right forum to post it in, but since people happen to hang around here I think it has a better chance to be seen. What other pc games have macross mods to them?