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Spread super thin, with one two, two, or ocassionally three small line art images on each page, unlike any other artbook I've ever seen, or the Robotech RPGs, which have pages packed full of line art. Counting by page is meaningless. For example, the page 193 of Art 1: one image of the Auroran. Page 216, one image of the Invid Shock Trooper. 194, one image of the Invid trooper, incorrectly called the scout. Wow, one image each of cool mecha, and no more anywhere in the book. No images of the Lancer or Rook cyclones, no Invid Enforcers or Pincers or scouts. Page 218, mostly white space with a picture of the Legioss in battloid (the only one in the book) and another of the cyclone. Way to pad the page count. Good thing I grew up with the Robotech RPGs that had multiple images of these from different angles. Bwa ha ha! Are you farting kidding me? Here's a perfect example of the line art pages in Art 3: [attachmentid=41778] Cruddy art, crudely colored to ruin any beauty of the lines, and no image of the battloid or guardian modes. THAT's what the Robotech art books are like. They suck! Nope. The Macross RPG book already gives you more Macross lineart than Arts 1-3 combined. REF Field Guide gives you more Mospeada lineart than Arts 1 - 3 combined.

Wrong. The Macross and Southern Cross books had lots of original line art. They also had artwork by some other guy. But, unlike the Robotech artbooks, the RPGs had lineart of the support vehicles, transformation sequences, various shots of the Armored Valkyrie, etc etc. The RPGs came out in 86 also, and had way more lineart. Seriously, I know it's become the thing to do in this thread to disagree with me for the hell of it, but this is retarded. There are obvious reasons to find the Robotech artbooks lacking.

I saw Ruin Explorers and really liked it. It's more goofy than serious. And not stupid goofy, but funny goofy. I say give it a try.

Art 1 has a good amount of character line art, and a good four pages of valkyrie lineart, but other than that, you get two small pictures of only the popular mecha (thee if your lucky), almost no supporting vehicles, no transformation sequences, etc. There's almost nothing on the Cyclones or Invid. The robotech RPGS had way more lineart. So yes, for an artbook, barely any lineart.

Well, I'm not a lawyer, but I thought the whole point of a license is that it gives you a copyright. Anyway, my statements are only pissing people off. I've already made my points, and nobody agrees, so I guess it's over for me. I really doubt the artbook is gonna happen, but I hope I'm wrong.

I just want to point out that anime bootleggers do a lot of hard work too. Illegally copying and distributing anime takes a lot of time and money. That doesn't mean I'm going to support them. I'd much rather download a fansub than support bootleggers, although I'll always buy R1 licensed anime instead of downloading it. This is slightly different because Roger is trying to go through HG, the (supposedly*) legitimate license holder. If he was just going to hand the stuff over to them, he'd be my hero. But he's trying to score big off it, which makes it way less likely the images will ever be published. He's already shown he'd rather wait for years so he can make money then let anyone see it for free. That's funny, because he didn't pay a dime for it (putting quarters in a copy machine doesn't count**). But he wants us to pay him for it indirectly through an HG-released artbook. Like I said, if he just gave it over to HG, it'd be different. If he bought Imai's actual original copies, it would be totally different. But he's trying to make money from all of us for his illegal, unpaid for copies? AND he wants US to do the legwork for him by pestering Harmony Gold? That really rubs me the wrong way. Now if he's working on the actual book, doing translations, layout, everything, and he presents the prototype to HG and says "Take it or leave it," that might be okay. He could technically claim he was selling his work and not the copies of the images. But from what I've read, the message is: "I'm sitting on copies of stuff you all want, now go pester Harmony Gold so they'll buy it from me." * I say HG is the supposed copyright holder because the samples I've seen are unused designs. If the designs were never used in Mospeada or Southern Cross, it might not be included in their respective licenses. ** Although I don't have any problem with Harmony Gold paying Roger for the actual cost of copying the materials, or even paying him a finders fee.

It really is that simple. You copied Artmic's designs, without their premission, and now you want to sell the copies. If you're fine with copyright illegality (which you obviously are, and hell, so am I), posting them on the internet would be the obvious thing to do if you can't make money from it any other way. Which leads me to ask: what will you do if Harmony Gold says "No"? I know you're honor bound to the guy who let you scan them, but since he's your friend (according to the Super 7 article), I'm sure you could ask him if you could just post them on the internet, sell them on eBay, or whatever.

Um...so you believe: * The holder of the actual artwork should get no money, but Roger, the guy who scanned it illegally, should * Harmony Gold will treat the artwork with the respect it deserves * Harmony Gold will lift a finger to make this artbook so all the fans can see this art * It is clear that Harmony Gold owns all these unused designs Or are you just talking out your ass?

I'm not sure what this has to do with freelance writing. It's not even obvious if Harmony Gold has the copyright. These are unused Artmic designs, right? They were never even used in Mospeada. Although I haven't seen all of the images you have; maybe some of them feature actual Mospeada designs. But what makes you think Harmony Gold doesn't already have these images laying around? If Imai had them, I don't see why Harmony Gold wouldn't too. There's a new artbook? Sweet. I hope it's good. Well, come on. I'm talking about posting these on the internet. The internet is built on copyright infringement. If you gave these people your word, then you're honor bound. That's a good reason not to post them on the internet. I don't see why this matters. One, you don't work for free, remember? I'm sure you were compensated for all this. Two, digging through Imai's treasure trove sounds like a nerd's dream, so I don't exactly feel sorry for you. Harmony Gold is going to showcase the thought and detail of the original creators? Have you ever heard of Robotech? "Dumping" them on the internet would allow everyone to enjoy them without Harmony Gold (who butchered Mospeada along with Macross and Southern Cross) getting a single cent. The promise to those who let you scan the art would be the only thing holding me back. As for "rights," I don't think in terms of rights. I think in terms of "how much happiness can I spread to fellow fans." You said in the Super 7 magazine that you dreamed of the designs being published. When I read that, I immediately thought "just post them on the internet." I guess you meant that you wanted to make some money from it. That's fine, but I seriously doubt Harmony Gold is gonna go through all the trouble just so you can make some cash. If they do, I'll be the first to buy the new artbook. I just don't see how you're entitled to any money from this. You don't own the copyright (although that didn't stop you from copying all the images or trying to claim copyright on the blog interview) or the original images from the Imai trove. Shouldn't the people who bought the Imai stuff make the money? It all comes down to this: withholding images that all the fans want to see in hopes of cashing out on something you don't even own is completely unethical.

Hey, I know a way this guy can get these images published. [whisper]It's called the internet.[/whisper] Not to be a jerk, but does this guy think he's gonna retire by selling a few pages of mecha designs? He doesn't even own the copyrights. Harmony Gold's previous Artbooks are a joke (mostly text with some crummy fan art and barely any line art); they can't do anything right. This hasn't changed. Am I out of line here? If I had found these designs, I would have put them on the internet without a second thought. Why hasn't Roger done just that?

But it's still gonna suck.

Still, I couldn't pass up a transformable Spartan Hovertank if they made one.

I like Mylene.

Why must the stoic grimace of mature heroes be replaced with the poo-eating smirk of young punks?

If so, will it be pre-assembled like a toy?

Hell yeah. We need to do this stuff more often. When I downloaded it there were like 33 seeds. Bring on the old obscure anime torrents!

Hey guys. I discovered this show last night, and this thread pops up today. Weird. Anyway, I don't like new anime. The designs aren't as artful, the animation sucks, retarded melodrama, etc. But I LIKE this show. The animation is really good. It's jokes are actually kinda funny. Crazy.

They say in the review "it's not that new anime is bad, but..." It sounds so insincere!

Weirdness -- my computer will play the region 2 DYRL disc even though it's set to region 1! Anyway, the original disc plays fine. So I dunno what the problem is. I realized that the skipping is not necessarily in the same spots. Sometimes it will skip badly, and I'll rewind and watch the scene again, and it will play fine. Or it will rewind super slow and a few seconds to go back one frame. I think I'll just try it again with another disc. EDIT: Yay!!!!!!!! I used Nero to shrink the DVD image onto a 4.7 gig DVD+R and it now plays just fine. I'm thinking the Memorex dual layer DVDs I bought aren't super compatible with home DVD players. Also, THANKS, HURIN!

You rock! I've always loved that picture. Never saw the full picture before.

Crap, I tried to watch this and my file is corrupted. I'll have to try downloading again.

GARR! I demuxed and compiled the DVD image again -- on a completely different computer -- and the DVD image still skips frequently during playback on my computer. It's mostly the audio that skips, once every few minutes. I had no other programs running during the creation of the DVD image or during playback. Maybe the R2 disc itself has problems. I don't have a region-free player but I'll try to watch it somehow to see if it skips too.

I tried this last night. Unfortunately the burned DVD skips like crazy. The final DVD image also skips a litle bit when I watch it on my computer. The subtitles are great though. I think the DVD player/burner I'm using might be messed up. I onced used it to burn some straight copies of movies that had no copy protection and they skpped bit too. Any other ideas of what the problem could be?

The subtitle a .htm. Is that right? Does it work like a .ass file?

This is one of those things where I really want to get excited but I'm too afraid to get my hopes up. So in effect I'm just nervous.