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I think the only difference is that the Blue one is numbered 001 whereas the Red one is numbered 018. Other than that I think there are different parts to make the MSZ-006A1 and the MSZ-006C1 (basically, different guns and crotches and other features. My Sentinel book is still packed up, so I'm not sure if the Hummingbird has a different designation.

AIXELSYD Dude... I got a lot of tables.

Kind of like the man-eating Perch and Bluegill hiding under the placid waters of your local pond? cwbrown- I'd have to look up the links where I initially got the info since that was over a year ago and I just looked up Statute of Limitations on google in conjunction with other words, especially Copyright. After that I talked with the lawyer I work for. In a nutshell (based on the info we had at the time) she told me that if HG's staffing predicament was as bad as they claim, once they were back on their feet they could moved forward with litigation. Basically, she said that HG's excuse doesn't fly... ...and I believed her!!!

M3 booklet On the right. But, yeah... I'm not sure about how canon it is.

Here's a few more, including the elusive VF-4 and VF-X-4... collect them all!!! One thing I noticed is that they come off a little darker and blurry here than they actually look on the dock.

Oh yes, more will be available as I make them. I'm looking for more useable images, but I'm also working on a Totoro icon set and some Hello Kitty and PowerPuff Girls sets for my wife. I'll keep everyone updated.

UPDATED INFORMATION!!! SCROLL DOWN!!! UNTIL YOU SEE "STOP!!!" I've been fiddling around with making icons for Mac OS-X and here's the fruit of my labors thus far. For anyone who would like to partake in these, just PM me with an e-mail address to send them to. I'll send them out in groups of 5-6 to keep the e-mails relatively small. You might also need an Icon program to view them, but I'm actually computer illiterate, so I'm not sure. Oh yeah, they look much better when they're on your dock. Trust me. Anyhow... here's the first batch:

I wouldn't need it to be poseable, just insanely detailed. Another major point is that it would have to be correctly designed. Look at those legs!!! Ugh!

You know, I was fine when we got off of our cruise, but Erika is still feeling wavey, and it's been a week and a half!!! You're right on this part. But I'm still up in the air about what HG really thinks they have a right to, and what they are saying they have a right to just to trip up any further competition. But that's my opinion. But on this point... ... I think you're mistaken. I highly doubt that HG will ever agree to pay BigWest for rights unless they're willing to admit that they weren't being truthful about their previous claims of blanket control. But this next part... ...sounds more like what happened with the Toycom incident. In think it completely applies. Hasbro licensed the toy and molds from Matsushiro to make Jetfire. It was a legal licensing and HG couldn't do anything about it. I'm of the opinion that the same thing holds with DYRL, Mac II and Mac+. Those programs were legally licensed outside of Japan and HG knew they couldn't do anything about it. Yeah, this one's all screwy. I do believe that FASA thought, in good faith, that they had the rights, at least to the Nichimo kits. Here's what it says on the instructions for those kits: Licensed by Tatsunoko Productions of Japan. Contents & Packaging © 1987 Twentieth Century Imports, Inc. Battletech & Concepts 1985 by FAFA Corporation Make of that what you will. Because the out of court settlement is non-disclosure, I don't think we'll ever know what happened. Doesn't prove anything. For all I know, this is the only thing remotely official that I've seen: Comic-Con, San Diego, CA (July 18, 2003) - Further solidifying its position as the leading U.S. manga publisher, TOKYOPOP Inc. is pleased to announce the addition of Macross 7 Trash to its 2004 manga release schedule. The legendary and complex Macross universe is seminal in the history of anime and manga. There have been thousands of Macross TV anime episodes, movies, manga volumes, toys, and videogames, spanning multiple distinct series. Macross - which was released worldwide by Harmony Gold - recently celebrated its 20th Anniversary and is known to many television viewers as Robotech. One of the most popular incarnations of this franchise is Macross 7. The fan-favorite Macross 7 Trash manga is known as a side-story to the anime - set in the same world, but featuring different themes, characters and tone. Created by Mikimoto Haruhiko (Gundam 0080, Orguss), Macross 7 Trash features a complex, layered, character-driven narrative that adds immeasurably to the overall richness and diversity of the Macross experience. The story was originally serialized in Japan's Shounen Ace magazine from 1994 to 2001. "TOKYOPOP looks forward to not only sharing this compelling series with its existing fanbase here in America, but also to introducing a whole new audience of readers to Macross 7 Trash," said the company's President & COO John Parker. Yadda-yadda-yadda... The press release makes no mention of an actual collaboration between TokyoPop and HG on this. And I've seen enough press releases to know that when two companies are in any way connected on a project, the press release says so. I guess unless further info is release on Mac7trash, we won't know until we open up the first page and see whether "Licensed by Harmony Gold" is there or not. OK, now I see what you were getting at. I'm slow, folks. Umm... that's not what I was getting at. You see, until HG suddenly started claiming international ownership of Macross (outside of Japan) in 2000, BigWest licensed MacII and Mac+ all by their lonesome. Also, someone or other licensed DYRL (exactly who is still a mystery to me). Now, in all this time, if Tatsunoko was supposed to be handling international licensing, don't you think they would've gone and had a talk with HG about it? I mean, I'm sure it would've come up sometime. I am of the opinion that Tatsunoko knew the only rights they were ever privy to were to the TV series. Nothing more and nothing less. Oh yeah!!! Well check your PM!!!

Definitely Red for me. The Blue just doesn't cut it. Now if they had a Grey one... Hmmm...

Yeah, some people have been happy with theirs, but others have definitely not. For 5 Grand I'd expect something super-detailed, but instead it's an eyesore monstrosity with less detail than the old Nichimo kits. You'd think the larger it is the more detailed it should be, eh?

According to Harmony Gold, the reason they didn't do anything about Macross Plus was because they simply didn't know about it. The story goes that Haim Saban (of Pwer Rangers infamy) headhunted most of HG's staff and left them with barely a skeleton crew to keep the company alive. It was during this time of turmoil that Macross Plus was released and, being so understaffed as it was, HG didn't even notice, and, by the time they did, the statute of limitations kicked in and they had no legal recourse. They simple had to let Manga keep Macross Plus. Now, what's wrong with this explanation? 1) This excuse does not even attempt to explain how DYRL or Macross II "slipped" by HG's radars before Saban stole HG's staff. 2) HG's claim of being understaffed doesn't hold up because they were still licensing out Robotech too other companies for comic books, toys, and, especially, what was to be abig game for the new N64: Robotech- Crystal Dreams. Simply put, a company cannot be actively profiting from their product and yet claim ignorance on other aspects of the market. Some people have tried to defend HG on this point, but their defense is weak. 3) The "Statute of Limitations" defense also does not work. The statute of limitations allows for a company to ignorant of copyright infringement on their product. The set time-frame for the statute of limitations doesn't actually start ticking down until the company is said to become aware of the infringement. Hence, when Tommy Yune said that by the time they found out, it was too late, he was lying to everyone who was listening in hopes that they were stupid. The statute of limitations started once they found out. 4) Secondly, HG's claim goes way beyond the Statue of Limitations. BigWest actually copyrighted Macross Plus here in the US and holds that copyright to this day. It's not as simple case of someone infringing on HG's copyrights. If HG ISN'T lying about this whole thing, than that means that BigWest has illegally usurped what is technically HG's copyright. This is a much larger matter and if HG is truthful in what they're telling us, they could stand to make a lot of money out of this. So is it any real surprise that they haven't? There's many more reasons, but I think this is good enough for now.

Same as above- I'm not sure about PC's, but if your using a Mac, you can hit Open Apple (command) Key and the plus symbol + and that will magnify your screen.

Here's a link to the discussion on the previous board: http://www.macrossworld.com/cgi-bin/mwf/ik...t=ST;f=14;t=697

Last I heard Best Films had the license, but that was awhile ago and now everyone is unsure who put it out. One thing we're positive of, HG never got to lay a hand on it.

Ummm, you know that's not true. The TV valks are associated with the TV series and are connected with that license. The DYRL valks are associated with DYRL and are connected to the DYRL license (something HG has never been able to prove that they have the rights to), which is in limbo. If HG's claims were true, they could simply claim the license to DYRL without even having to locate whoever is the current license holder, especially since the status of the DYRL license is uncertain, they wouldn't have to fight someone for it (such as they would have to do if they ever attempted to lay claim to MacII or Mac+ from Manga). I had thought that the reason HG couldn't make a stink about Jetfire is because Hasbro legally licensed the toy and released it under different name under a different product line (heh... kind of like what HG did to Macross). Hmmm... I think this is the real reason why HG couldn't do anything about DYRL, MacII and Mac+. Because the licenses were legally procured and HG had no reason to be involved, hence they weren't involved. This is speculation, but I think the whole issue was that FASA only bought the rights from Tatsunoko to release those small Nichimo kits, but they started using the mecha designs with their gaming miniatures and also started using the images, neither of which they had the rights to. This is why they could no longer sell the miniatures and ended up redesigning those mecha. I may eat my words on this, but all I've seen is the press release from TokyoPop, which simply mentions HG's version of history with Macross, but in no way indicates any actual involvement. Also, when asked, someone at HG said that they were "cooperating". Now, "cooperating" can mean many things, including going along with things because you really have no choice (kind of what we all do when the Police bust us for Slurpee smuggling). If HG was involved with the release of Trash I'd think they'd have more exciting things to say about it. This statement is based on the assumption that HG does, in fact, hold the rights to the derivatives outside of Japan. A statement that they have not only failed to prove, but have outright refused to prove. But, to respond to your statement, I don't think BigWest HAS ever said that DYRL isn't a derivative of Macross. But it IS a different license, which Tatsunoko and, hence, HG, have never had any claim to. Furthermore- (once again) Tatsunoko has never, ever, tried to lay any claim to any Macross production or make any beef with BigWest licensing other Macross shows except for the original TV Series. Kind of makes you curious why HG thinks they can... especially (once again) since they've never legitimately proven that their claims are true. p.s.- Your sig: "It's useless to discuss until someone's posted a complete translation. Hey, you haven't posted one." That's your beef. Quadrono posted one that you claim wasn't accurate, yet have still failed to convince everyone else that it was wrong.

That's kinda my point about Macross zero, how realistic is it that all the mechs appear more advanced than those from the original series that came after them? Another example of this is Gundam 0080: War In The Pocket vs. Gundam 0079. The MS in 0080 look waaaay more advanced than 0079, but it's still supposed to be taking place in (roughly) the same timeframe. The newer animation will always look more advanced than the older. Just use your imagination, for Pete's (wicked ale) sake.

Simple, they're attempting to block direct competition by using certain tactics in order to stall or scare off any companies that may provide that competition. Seriously, though- Harmony Gold has trademarked the Robotech name, but, as Wrylac has said, they aren't pursuing other companies who use the name, but are not, in any way, in the same market. But you can bet your bottom dollar that if I started a company that made pool cleaning products and named them the Macross 3000 and the Macross 3200, Harmony Gold would be on my case in seconds. ...What a horrible concept: Macross 3000 pool cleaners... Ugh.

Ditto. My first thought was "Armored Core?!?"

I thiink it was erroneously left out of the Conventions and Local Gatherings forum. Why doesn't someone leave a message in the feedback forum, I'm sure it'll be addresses once things get a little less hectic for the Admins and Mods.

I've usually seen them for between $25 and $45 on eBay.

Awww man... I thought they were going to be original designs. Not cut-and-pastes. Damn yer eyes, man!!! Damn them!!! Just kidding.

We should ask a long-standing member who plans on staying for a while (or a willing Mod) to actually make the first post in a pinned iMacross server thread. That way, they can constantly edit their 1st post (much to Agent ONE's chagrin ) to reflect the most up to date info on the currently running servers. That way, us users won't have to peruse through pages and pages of posts just to find what's up and what's not. I'm also stoopid with FTP. Lebhead told me how to do it and pointed me to a good FTP client (is that what you call it), but I accidentally deleted it and now I don't remember anything. Dumb-dumb Jeff.

Wrylac's right. For all intents and purposes, Yamato could have their toys manufactured in a factory right next to the Harmony Gold headquarters in California. The whole thing really revolves around where the item is licensed to be sold to the public. In Yamato's case, it's Japan. In Harmony Gold's case it's North America.

Ditto in the shnizzito...