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anime52k8 The SV-51 could certainly be without verniers. It's just a guess. But the triple-ports appear identical to VF-17 Nightmare verniers to me. The VF-0 seems to have the same hook/handle vernier ports as the VF-1 Valkyrie, so I would assume as a competing fighter, the SV-51 would be vernier equipped as well. Regardless, if it does have verniers, they are unlikely to be as powerful as the high-thrust verniers on a VF-1 Valkyrie, to say nothing about the verniers on the FAST Pack system. Macross GURU That's okay. Don't worry about it. I often have to turn down submissions. Nearly 99% of the images floating around the internet are of no use to me because they are far too small and low resolution. In order to make the images of the M3 look as sharp and polished as they do, I have to work in high resolution and down convert from there. That's been one of the challenges of making the site. But it's almost done, so have no worries. Protoculture Thank you. It's been my pleasure to share more Macross. Make sure to keep visiting my website. I've got a great Zentradi size page coming up, revision of all the Zentradi ships, some more Macross II mecha, some more Macross Zero mecha, more Macross Chronicle translations, improvements to existing profiles and more Macropedia entries, all in the next update.

Uh, I was talking about a production method to visualize an in-universe technology. We all know it's not real.

The demanding public. Never a break

Oh, come on you two. You can't tell me you've never watched some biographical show about a has-been pop star. My write ups were pop music cliche at it's finest. Where's the love? I sometimes think that's ultimately why Kawamori made Minmay simply disappear. He didn't want to write about her tabloid fall from grace only to have her dog die when she was in her 40s after a particularly bad bender, which then convinces her to clean up her act, go into rehab, find God, and start singing choral favorites for the JWs.

I agree. It makes perfect sense from a visual perspective.

Sorry I can't help, but damn are you ever making good progress! Bravo!

I've created monsters! I need to get you guys a copy of Photoshop

I'm not so sure. If I were an animation director that wanted a visual method for communicating the concept of an electromagnetic transformation system to my audience, I'd probably use something like an electrical discharge or electrical bolt cascading across the hull as it joins two separate pieces together.

Ranka Lee - After a successful post-Vajra War career and a life of excess, Ranka Lee begins a slow but steady downward spiral into depression and drug abuse. After an extended stint in rehab, Ranka launches an unsuccessful comeback tour which ends in a particularly tragic performance on Macross 11, where she falls off the stage and is found the next morning with her head shaved. Five years and a string of bad relationships later (including one particularly scandalous coupling with the much older, ex-Fire Bomber keyboardist Ray Lovelock), Ranka sells the rights to an exclusive tell-all interview with SNN for a then-record amount of 500,000,000. The interview goes badly for Ranka, particularly due to an embarrassing prehensile hair-malfunction during yet another remix of "What 'bout My Star". On July 25th, 2073, authorities discover Ranka Lee's naked body in a vacant hotel in the slums of Acshio on City 7. Autopsy reports indicate Ms. Lee died from liver infection caused by an overdose of LSV, a highly addictive narcotic imported from the Vajra homeworld. At her funeral, father and renowned Vajra War hero Ozma Lee launched into a tearful, drunken rage at former Lee manager Elmo Kridanik in which Ozma was heard by numerous attendants screaming racial epithets at Kridanik calling him "a Zentard a**". Sheryl Nome - Unable to attain the same level of pre-Vajra War success, Nome manages to maintain some small notoriety when she releases a jazz album under Kaifun Records. Seven years later, Sheryl Nome is featured on the MBS series "Long After The Hits" which leads to her starring in a brief series of b-vids in which she gains a cult following for her gratuitous alien sex scenes. In 2068, Sheryl Nome's music enjoys a brief resurgence in popularity following the release of 3 singles in the ProtoStation holo-game "Idol Hero VI" and her single "Triangular" reaches #139 on the Zolan Adult Contemporary Charts. Sheryl returns to the stage for a brief tour, but is fiercely heckled in a shocking performance at Gallia Station which results in the destruction of the entire stage and Nome's own touring shuttle. The remaining tour is canceled and followed up by a series of lawsuits brought against Nome by Zentradi promotion company Deculture Divas Inc. The suits claim financing for Nome's tour was contingent upon her agreement never to perform in the Gallia system and the proceedings last for 3 years. Ruined by legal troubles, Nome apparently found love again when she began an affair with a Meltran museum curator in Macross City on Earth. Shortly there after, Sheryl Nome begins writing her extensive biography. After her tragic death in a Zentradi cricket game on Eden, the her Meltran life partner releases Nome's biography titled "How to Make Love Like a Galactic Fairy" in which Nome reveals relationships she had with over 13 different blue-haired men from 2059 to just before her death in 2103.

The SV-51 could perhaps defeat a VF-1 Valkyrie, but it's still at a disadvantage even for the first 10 minutes. Granted, I wouldn't label the SV-51 as "out of it's league" since it is a valkyrie, it's just a not operating on the same level of performance as the VF-1. The biggest change the VF-0 and SV-51 would need to operate in space is a complete life support system and their engines would need to be replace with thermonuclear reaction engines.

sketchley That goes without saying, but we can't be much more specific since we don't know how much the engines weigh. We only know that OverTechnology = lightweight in the Macross universe. VFTF1 It would be quite wrong to assume that. Vernier thrusters are used within the atmosphere in many Macross anime productions. In Macross DYRL, Hikaru used vernier thrusters to launch his VT-1 Super Ostrich fighter off the ground and into GERWALK mode. In SDF Macross, a Queadluun-Rau is shown using it's forward vernier thrusters on Earth while transporting Milia to the SDF-1 as a spy. In Macross Plus, the YF-19, YF-21, Ghost X-9 and the high maneuver missiles are all shown using vernier thrusters within the atmosphere of Eden and Earth. DarkReaper Well, one must take into account that all the T-W ratios I've calculated are for empty weights. Only the VF-1 Valkyrie actually has enough official statistics to calculate the T-W ratio when it's filled with fuel, guns, missiles and ammunition (VF-1 empty is 13.25 tons, VF-1 standard T-O mass is 18.5 tons, so that equals 5.25 tons of additional mass for fuel/weapons). In the case of the VF-1 versus SV-51, the SV-51 is not only heavier, but conventional engines would require a proportionately larger amount of fuel than a much more efficient thermonuclear reaction engine. So while a VF-1 only incurs an additional 5.25 tons of weight for it's standard T-O load, the SV-51 fully fueled and loaded with weapons would likely be that much more. Some modern fighters can carry as much as 8-10 tons of fuel alone. Remko I think you're confusing the two "VTOL fan jets" on the dorsal side of the rear nose with the triple-port verniers on the sides of the nose parallel to the cockpit.

SchizophrenicMC The variable fighters can accelerate as fast as their thrust-to-weight ratio. So you have a few gs for the early variable fighters, 1.87g/2.34gs for the VF-0 Phoenix and SV-51 respectively, 2.49gs for the VF-1A Valkyrie, 6.63g for the VF-1S Super Valkyrie, 6.33g for the VF-11B/C Thunderbolt, and 9.28g and 10.04G for the VF-17D/S Nightmare. When later variable fighters like the YF-19/YF-21 arrive on the scene, the problem of acceleration really becomes a safety concern for the pilot. Macross Plus demonstrated the dangers of variable fighter potential rather graphically with Guld's demise due to high acceleration. The YF-19 and YF-21 can accelerate to 15.43g and 15.65g respectively which is significantly more g-force than the 9-12g limit most human pilots can endure for extended maneuvers. By the time Macross Frontier came along, you've got the VF-25 Messiah accelerating at 39.09g and the VF-27 Lucifer at 45.02g, more than enough to harm or kill the pilot. Hence, the invention of cyborg pilots and Inertia Store Converter technology! "It's an easy fix: one line of dialog. Thank gawd we invented the...whatever-device" :lol: It appears Kawamori closely understood what he was doing when he built the statistics for his fictional variable fighters. The whole Macross Plus story line was built around the g-force limits of humans and the high-acceleration potential of unmanned aerospace craft. Smart guy that SK Gubaba Well, we don't really need a canon example to make a few safe assumptions. Strictly speaking in canon, no, there doesn't appear to be a space-VF-0 variant. However, we know the VF-1 is space-worthy, as are all the later valkyries built from OverTechnology. And given that the VF-0 and SV-51 can already function underwater, it's not exactly a leap to assume they could be made space-worthy without that much fuss. Vostok 7 Even with thermonuclear reaction engines, the VF-0 and SV-51 would still have inferior T-W ratios simply because they are larger and heavier. But the overtuned conventional engines in the VF-0 and SV-51 were most likely OverTechnology themselves, so that's why they are not that far behind the first generation reaction engines of the VF-1 Valkyrie. The SV-51 appears to have single and triple-ports of small, circle vernier thrusters, similar to the VF-17 Nightmare. You'll find two triple-ports on either side of the SV-51 nose parallel with the cockpit. There are also clearly five thruster ports on each leg in Battroid mode; some of the ports are dual thrusters. VFTF1 You're welcome. Yes, I'd say it's perfectly reasonable to assume a space-worthy SV-51 could be built. I doubt there ever was one, but it certainly wouldn't be hard to make one in the context of the Macross fictional world. I'll be adding kilonewton thrust ratings and the thrust to weight ratio to each valkyrie profile in the next update. Since Shoji Kawamori has finally embraced kilonewtons in Macross Zero and now Macross Frontier, having the converted figures for the pre-2002 variable fighters will help fans better compare the Macross mecha without the need to do the math each time. However, the kg thrust ratings will also remain. I'll use green colored text to differentiate the two. The SV-51 appears to have vernier thrusters. Or at least, it's design clearly shows thrusters on the hull. So it could maneuver in space without a FAST Pack/Super Part system. But the larger, more powerful vernier thrusters on the VF-1S Super Valkyrie would almost assuredly make the VF-1 FAR more maneuverable, not to mention the VF-1S's superior T-W ratio.

Given that portions of the BDI and BDS technologies were incorporated into the VF-25 Messiah/EX-Gear and the VF-27 Lucifer, I'd say the innovative YF-21 systems were far from failure. Like I said long ago in this rather old thread, the BDI/BDS were flawed systems, but they were also largely functional. The YF-21's advanced HMI may have fallen somewhat short of expectations and the capabilities were less than ideal, but it's clear the system was workable and had legitimate potential. The later generation variable fighter control systems obviously benefited from the technology.

A Linear Actuator? That is interesting! I like the sound of it. So there really was something to those "electrical discharges" during transformation beyond just dramatic styling. Wow, the VF-1 transformation time from Fighter to Battroid is 0.9 seconds on manual. If the linear actuator reduces transformation time by two-thirds, that allows the VF-25 Messiah to transform from Fighter-to-Battroid in 0.3 seconds, assuming that the VF-1 is the benchmark for transformation time. Once again, bravo to Gubaba!

LOL The conspiracy revealed at last!

leb! Holy frack man, where ya been? How ya been? Great to see you! LOL! VFTF1 You're welcome. I'm glad you're enjoying my website. The SV-51 Gamma can probably only function underwater for the same limited amount of time the VF-0 can. Neither variable fighter was built for extended operation in space since both the VF-0 and the SV-51 use conventional (over-tuned) jet engines. However, since they were designed as testbeds for OverTechnology, I don't imagine it would require an awful lot of reworking to make them space worthy. The SV-51 appears to have ports of vernier thrusters, so it should be able to maneuver in space. Tenjin Hidetaka Artworks Of Macross Valkyries even has a VF-0 Space Proving Wing variant within it's pages Among the valkyries of Macross, the VF-0 and SV-51 are examples of pretty clumsy technology, comparatively speaking. They are large, heavy and not as efficient as the other models of VF. I know the outward airframe designs of the VF-0 and SV-51 look anachronistically more advanced than the VF-1, but I think we all understand by now that Macross Zero was released 20 years after the VF-1 appeared in SDF Macross in 1982. The tech is really all that matters and the SV-51 has much less thrust and is far heavier than it's more efficient VF-1 Valkyrie successor. The SV-51 is underpowered for a variable fighter and it has a slow transformation. Now this isn't to say the VF-0 and SV-51 are backward or THAT far behind other valkyries, because they are not. But all other factors being equal, the VF-0 and SV-51 are simply weaker valkyries than the others. Here's a few comparisons for consideration (with thrust figures converted to kilonewtons): SV-51 Mass: empty 17.8 metric tons Propulsion: 102.5 kN x 2; or 204.7 kN x 2 afterburner Thrust-to-weight ratio: empty 2.34 VF-1A Valkyrie Mass: empty 13.25 metric tons; standard T-O mass 18.5 metric tons; max T-O mass 37.0 metric tons Propulsion: 11,500 kg [x g] x 2; or 23,000 kg [x g] x 2 in overboost (225.63 kN x 2) Thrust-to-weight ratio: empty 3.47; standard T-O 2.49; maximum T-O 1.24 VF-1S Super Valkyrie Mass: empty 19.2 metric tons; standard T-O mass 45.0 metric tons; maximum T-O mass 72.0 metric tons Propulsion: estimated 12,500 kg [x g] x 2, estimated 25,000 kg [x g] x 2 in overboost (245.25 kN x 2); FAST Pack P&W+EF-2001 booster thrusters 2 x 120,000 kg [x g] (1,177.2 kN x 2) Thrust-to-weight ratio: standard T-O 6.36; maximum T-O 3.97

Well, I was actually 15 went T2 came out, but my Bay bashing works better if I say I was 16 Awww. You're making me all misty now I'm glad it brightened your day.

Ah cool. I'll rewrite the profile for the VF-11C right now and use aerospace too. I think it's best to keep air/space in the text description for the "ships", becuase you're right, that aerospace term just doesn't work for a ship. It's too bad we didn't get to see those rear-firing missile launchers in action. That's a pretty cool idea.

I'm going to make a guess. If they are talking about "one part" transforming, could they be referring to the EX-Gear system allowing the pilot to transform something like a single arm without transforming the entire valkyrie into another mode? The one armed fighter perhaps? This would allow the pilot to manipulate his environment with the arm while operating in fighter mode. Perhaps what Mikhail did when he latched onto the Vajra mothership for a ride in fold space? "Part of mobility" just sounds to me like manipulation of the environment using the Battroid hands/arms. The advantages of GERWALK mode are hovering and extreme responsive maneuverability (like an attack helicopter) but the GERWALK mode also allows the valkyrie to act like a half-robot, manipulating whatever objects it wishes with it's hands/arms much like we humans do with our own hands/arms. Maybe?

Transformers was a Michael Bay film; that should be all the reason anyone needs to dislike it Seriously, Bay was once quoted as saying "I make films for 16 year-old boys, but some people seem to have a big problem with that." I don't know about anyone else, but when I was 16, I was enjoying Terminator 2: Judgment Day, which had more intelligence in one 5 minute sequence than Michael Bay's entire production bio.

...moving an off-topic discussion to this thread I can provide some black and white versions of the gun pods for your weapon needs. I'd definitely prefer you use black and white versions of the weapons if you feel the need to use my scans. I am keeping my website as up to date as possible with the latest information released on Macross, but just so you're aware, there is unlikely to be enough complete information to create totally canon RPG versions of each valkyrie (the VF-1 Valkyire is probably the one exception). You'll have to build some stuff on your own, but you probably already knew that. If you need to guess, I'd definitely suggest using the figures for the VF-1 as a benchmark. If you have any questions, I can provide some "enthusiastic fan opinions". Also, MW member sketchley runs an extensive RPG website about Macross, so he may be able to provide some gaming advice. The Macross Zero, Macross II and Macross Frontier sections are is still being built. If you have high resolution scans of the line art from Macross II, I'll certainly take a look at what you've got. But I should warn you, I have very high requirements for my line art. I typically work with scans that are 1,200 DPI (typical drawings are about 3,000 to 4,000 pixels in size) and I down-convert them to 800-1,000 pixels for posting on my website. I appreciate you respecting the usage terms for my website. Your website sounds like a good fansite for Macross RPG fans and I hope it turns out well. Post a link if you have one.

Gotta see this one. Hopefully the Transformers, Indiana Jones and Wall-E parodies justify this topic's inclusion here on MW http://www.holytaco.com/if-movie-posters-were-honest Enjoy!

Thank you for posting scans Graham. These look great!

The mystery VF in Macross Frontier does have many VF-2SS similarities. I agree that for the brief 10 seconds the ship is on screen, mistaking it for a VF-2SS is probably natural. But it's clearly some kind of new design we've never seen before. I think it likely the craft was made in homage to the Valkyrie II from Macross II, since Macross Frontier features numerous references to the all the anime productions in the 25-year history of the Macross franchise. I'm glad you like my website. If you want to use information from my website, please make sure to credit my site and provide a link to each profile you use. For pictures, you can host the pictures yourself or link directly to my images for use. My site is low traffic, so I don't mind direct links. Always provide credit for each instance of text or colored artwork that you use. I'd also ask that you NOT use ALL the images on my site, only the bare minimum required (use fighter, GERWALK, Battroid pictures, but DO NOT use any other pictures such as weapons, color code transformation guides, schematics, black and white line art, etc) lest my site be duplicated in full online and thus lose it's purpose for being. And of course, under no circumstances can any of the material within the Macross Mecha Manual be used for business, commercial or personal financial purposes. Thank you.

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