Mr March

These suggestions of better, more talented artists, writers, directors and creative staff is all well and good, but shouldn't we consider the source? I mean, this is Robotech we're talking about here. If you were a talented and ambitious artist/writer/director, would your career goals be the addition of "Robotech" to your resume? Now I'm not saying most great artists don't have crap projects on their resume; hell, James Cameron has Piranha II: The Spawning on his. But most truly talented people who are serious about their careers aren't inspired to grab the reins of a poorly edited 80's cartoon franchise. Most who work their way up through the ranks aren't defined by the crap productions they worked on in their early years and they never sought to elevate those crap projects beyond what they were. Robotech ATTRACTS lousy because Robotech IS lousy. If it's not the bottom of the barrel for animated entertainment, it's really damn close. I'm not surprised if these HG productions attract a certain type of "talent" that is mostly devoid of any.

Very cool! I like the almost ape-like sculpts of the EVAs. Thanks for the pics.

Definitely not an impressive evangelion design. Even ignoring all the legs and wheels, I'm not really seeing much else as far as interesting design on the rest of the mecha. Oh well.

Hip hop has actually gotten a little dry lately, at least domestically. Jay-Z's last album was solid, but aside from the odd Talib Kweli or Roots album, the scene has kinda stalled, IMO. Ironically, rock has been strong for the past few years, a far cry after it's low point in the late 1990's. The garage rock/post-punk revival is great. I grew up on post-punk like The Police and early U2, so this latest revival is like heaven for me. You should check out Champion if you haven't already (see his "Chill'em All" album). Great electronica.

Yeah, I also thought EVA-meets-Armored-Core when I first saw it. Fugly!

LOL! Okay, that one was good.

I don't think that's where people are going with their critical opinions. If Yune had simply been honest and admitted the character designs of R:SC was a sex sell, that would have been fine. Dodging the question and the blame the way he did is the point, not some church lady finger waving.

Sure, if your read just the first post Don't misunderstand. No one selling this thread short. We're just discussing our opinions on the critical commentary, it's dubious derivation from the interview and the lack of a counter analysis. But I appreciate the thoughts on Frontier nonetheless, complaint threads and praise threads alike

I am talking about the line art, not the animation. Some are drawn from a top-down view, others from a bottom-up view. And the art in the chart is clearly showing the DYRL characters are drawn in differing proportions from the SDF Macross versions. Hence the art will have inherent flaws when trying to scale them. But this is all we have to work with, so they are only ever going to be a best fit. Worrying about hair and shoes is striving for an accuracy beyond what is possible given the inherent scale errors just using these pieces of line art.

That's because critics spend their time bitching about Alto's character design and throwing misplaced labels at the show like emo and yaoi, or my personal favorite, bishōnen (like this comes as some sort of revelation). There actually is plenty of Alto/Ranka/Sheryl character development in Frontier, if anyone takes the time to discuss it. But that requires an honest analysis of the show and it's obvious this thread will have none of that. Which is kinda the whole point Oh, and SDF Macross was a real robot show

The number of books and magazines about Macross only expounds upon the points Gubaba, Bri and I were making. Excessive ruminating on minutiae by geek culture, especially net culture, is NOT the quality benchmark for any pop culture product. In fact, it achieves the exact opposite, through false analogy, fallacy and faulty reasoning of production aspects that do not exist. Even a 25 episode series cannot detail the fictional world of Macross, which is why books and magazines are published to describe minutiae like the muzzle velocity of Mikhail's sniper rifle. We can't confuse world building with the limitations of the visual medium and more importantly, the format of Macross. Macross, like most anime, is style over substance made for an audience that is not looking for deep, meaningful narrative but mecha action, romance and drama all built upon a basic foundation of commentary, subtext and social relevance. Macross will never be "2001"; it's not even "24", neither of which would withstand the level of scrutiny being leveled at Frontier.

The Robotech edit was deliberately made from the completed works; it wasn't editing a process.

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Like Turkish Star Wars! But seriously, I agree. That's the reason I don't respect Robotech. To celebrate Robotech is to give credence to this kind of forced bastardization of other creator's unique fictional worlds. These creators worked hard to make their own distinct stories and find a voice for their own creations. To homogenize them together with each other is a disservice to the creativity of these writers/directors and penalizes them for trying to creatively distinguish their works. We have enough unimaginative, forgettable entertainment in this world without diminishing legitimately creative works in ridiculous snake oil productions like Robotech.

Uh, I'm using plastic sleeves and they are working just fine. The only pages that were a problem were the pages for issue 1 and 2, which have a slight bend, but still fit. Ever since then, all 17 consecutive issues have fit perfectly flat into plastic sleeves. It's working for me.

Hahaha, that is a fantastic take on a classic.

I'd agree, with a few caveats. A lot more thought goes into something like Macross than people give credit. But at the same time, Macross never delves deep enough to justify extensive study upon the subject. Macross, for better or worse, is what it is. Macross can be an exceptional example of childrens animated entertainment, but it's not meant to have all the multi-faceted substance and complexity of the best adult entertainment. Things like this excessive dissection are attempting to hold Frontier to a standard that not even SDF Macross, or any other anime, could hope to beat. Hell, some of the best mainstream entertainment couldn't withstand this level of scrutiny. What's worse is every new fact, production note or interview released after the fact becomes just more fodder for an overwrought theory that was reaching from the beginning. I'll also add that if the writers for anime are treated anything like the writers in film and TV, they are the last to know. Writers, even more so than actors, get handled by everyone in a given production, especially the producers and directors.

Bloc Party owns. That is all.

You're underestimating the power of boredom and bitterness. But I applaud your creative effort

Creative license is by far the only unifying explanation. The Zentradi/Meltrandi will be as big or small as a given scene demands. Which is why so many scenes contradict each other both within a single series (SDF Macross) or the franchise as a whole. My attempt to properly scale the Zentradi/Meltrandi in a chart will be most optimistically a best fit and no more than that.

Without knowing the distance between Exedol and the valkyries flying behind him, this picture is not very useful for determining scale. Since the VF-11C Thunderbolts are in fighter mode and obviously flying behind Exedol, it's likely they are a substantial distance away. Much more than you'd think That is going to an extreme and only raises more problems. Why stop at hair/helmets/boots? How do you account for pictures drawn in differing perspectives (britai vs. britai)? Or those pictures drawn with different aesthetic proportions (series style vs. dyrl style). There is also much to be said for simplicity in an already perilous exercise of poor size continuity. Fans will constantly be asking why, when looking at the chart, does one 10 meter soldier appear taller than another of the same size.

Unfortunately we cannot discuss details of an ongoing investigation with the public.

I liked Plan 9 From Harmony Gold Oh yeah, I already got a prime suspect lined up

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Nice customs. They look quite good.