baronv Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Is the VF-22s further advanced in it's fighting capability than it's YF-22 predecessor since by all accounts on the MW forums that VF-19 is the more advanced valk but when then do Max, Milia and Gamlin fly the VF-22s instead of a VF-19? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 The Macross Compendium is a fountain of knowledge. HERE is the info on the VF-22. It should help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impreszive Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I see this thread ending in the fires of Macross 7 arguments Definitely check the Macross Compendium. You won't be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Based on what I've seen in the Compendium, in the shows, and in the real life project that the Macross Plus 'Project Supernova' was based off of, the 21/22 has always been more advanced than the 19. It is not clearly stated why the 19 won the bid, but there is a part of the 22's description in the compendium that leads one to believe it was due to the Brainwave Control System in the 21, which was removed for the production model 22 (not to mention how unstable the BCS is shown to be). Still, project Supernova was to determine the next main variable fighter, the mass produced standard fighter of the U.N. Spacey. The 19 was chosen, while the 22 was later adopted as a special forces fighter, replacing the VF-17. So, the VF-19 replaces the VF-11, while the VF-22 replaces the VF-17. One can also assume that the more advanced 21 was also more expensive than the 19, and that the Spacey was willing to have a pricier fighter for more demanding missions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 The Q-rau elements incorporated into the VF-22 were probably much more attactive to Max and Millia. Especially Millia. So that's what they flew. Simplest explanation. The VF-22 was to become the new special ops fighter, replacing the VF-17 as well, so diamond force was upgraded to the -22 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noyhauser Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Is the VF-22s further advanced in it's fighting capability than it's YF-22 predecessor since by all accounts on the MW forums that VF-19 is the more advanced valk but when then do Max, Milia and Gamlin fly the VF-22s instead of a VF-19? by all accounts? Uhh what threads have you been reading? In almost every thread I've been in, its the 21/maybe 22 that rocks over the 19 http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=2328&hl= this is probably the best thread on this topic. remember... Mission Adaptive wing technology kicks ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 remember... Mission Adaptive wing technology kicks ass. However, it was impractical for mass production (i.e. VF-22) due to costs. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...yf21/index.html The "morphing wings" are only a YF-21 exclusive and considering that this thread is about the VF-22... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Pinche Haro! Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 all i have to say...the yf-21 and vf-22s look a lot nicer than the yf/vf-19 but that's all just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impreszive Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 well, the 21 was stronger; or at least had the capability to be stronger without the governor. The problem was that no pilot could fly the plane under its full potential. I think the 19 was more asthetically pleasing, and reminded us of the older Valkyries. That is wahy it is so popular IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 ... the governor. SCHWARZENEGER RULES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noyhauser Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 The "morphing wings" are only a YF-21 exclusive and considering that this thread is about the VF-22... maybe. I can also see special versions (stuff that the VF-X ravens would use) having Mission Adaptive wings. Its the cost of the wings themselves that make it expensive, which means that there is no reason why a VF-22 couldn't be fitted with them. moreover, the Immense productive capacity of the Factory Satellite probably makes the cost of them negligble. For most other manufacturing centers (like Three Stars), manufacturing the wings probably are too expensive. For the best of the best (aka UN Spacy SAS) im sure no costs are too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impreszive Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Since I haven't seen the end to M7, Did M & M both fly 22s? Were they Red and Blue as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Leader Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Stop the press...... Max was able to adjust the wings on his VF-22 during the fight with the Varuta...the ability wasnt' just exclusive to teh YF-21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk16 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 (edited) Hmm does the price of a valk really matter in the macross universe? lets see they can colonize planets all the time, the rebuild giant fleets of space battleships, that they are always changing, they fight off giant warrior races (with said so fleets), the outside of the planet is a mine field of robot satellites full of cannons, have giant transforming ships, lost the all of humanities and rebounded back in less than 500 years. Does the UN spacy look like an organization that is restrained by the ultimate cost, of a MASS PRODUSABLE transforming fighter..no matter how advanced it looks? or costs.. It seems to me that the price of something is not a problem. Edited April 30, 2004 by mk16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noyhauser Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Probably the most overwhelming aspect of production for UN Spacy is the Factory Satellite. If the thing is the size of the moon as some people have claimed (even if its 1/3rd) it would have absolutely fantastic production capabilities. And most of this production capabilities would be very high tech. That would be how UN Spacy is able to build so many Colony vessels. However once on their own, colony ships and colonies would have far more limited production capabilities, usually centered around the Three star ships, which takes significant amounts of time to construct things. Thats why Macross 7 was still using VF-11/ Vf-17 rather than Vf-19/ Vf-22s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impreszive Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 If that's the case; I would hate to be the unlucky SOB that attacks Earth then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Isamu was able to break through Earth defenses with the YF-19 but I guess that was an special case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 No matter how large an organization, it is still limited by the resources available. The factory satellite is a production facility, not a magic cornucopia of unending resources. The factory satellite is useless if there's no resources to turn into finished products. It is also limited by what it's facilities are set up to build. Remember the Spacey must also compensate designers, engineers, and people actually involved in production. At the same time they have to keep the ever expanding population (due in part to a massive cloning project to spread mankind across the galaxy) living comfortably and churn out many other ships, uniforms, weapons, etcetera. Sure, they colonize new planets, get resources there. Not every planet they find habitable for human life will also be full of valuable resources, and some of the planets they find that are will be inhospitable, it will cost them in their efforts to get to those resources. At the same time, they are spreading thinner and thinner across the galaxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justvinnie Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Stop the press......Max was able to adjust the wings on his VF-22 during the fight with the Varuta...the ability wasnt' just exclusive to teh YF-21 The VF-22 does not possess "morphing" wings. Both the YF-21 and VF-22 do possess the ability to cant their wings downward for high speed atmospheric flight. This is not the same as physically changing the structure of the wings... vinnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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