Aurel Tristen Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Stealth Escort Attack Aircraft Carrier: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...ft_carrier.html Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southcross Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Stealth Escort Attack Aircraft Carrier: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...ft_carrier.html Enjoy Very nice Nanashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted February 4, 2004 Author Share Posted February 4, 2004 Stealth Escort Attack Aircraft Carrier: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...ft_carrier.html Enjoy Very nice Nanashi Thanks : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerwalker Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Thanks for all the material you are posting!! Where do these carriers appears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchVile Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Good work yet again. These carriers are in Macross 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLESS Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Was this the class of ship that the Ravens were operating from in VFX-2? Though i vaguely remember the ship was green in colour and thought it was a zentraedi design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Awesome. Nanashi, your site is steadily growing as one of the best sources for fanwork reference material. Thanks for all the hard work!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekkaman Blade Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I built that out of legos once Nice work man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxer Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hm...Interesting. I never thought they were capable of water travel as normal carriers. Nice. No word on fighter compliment however... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hm...Interesting.I never thought they were capable of water travel as normal carriers. Nice. No word on fighter compliment however... in macross, everything's dual-purpose.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Nanashi---is that an "official" waterline placement? Looks rather low. Wow, everything in Macross is huge---that's a LOT of ship and planes for an *Escort* Carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Sweet...but that's a lot of cats! Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 Was this the class of ship that the Ravens were operating from in VFX-2? Though i vaguely remember the ship was green in colour and thought it was a zentraedi design The one seen in Macross VF-X 2 game is a later version. It was not Zjentohlauedy, just green appearred green because of lighting in one scene. You can view the entry for that version here: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...rrier-2051.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 Nanashi---is that an "official" waterline placement? Looks rather low.Wow, everything in Macross is huge---that's a LOT of ship and planes for an *Escort* Carrier. Official in the sense that Macross 7 showed this type of vessel in the water and the water was at that level. These carriers are escort to the New (Next Age) Macross class CVs which are 1500m in length-nearly three times the size. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjenius81 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 very nice, but any word on weapons or variable fighter compliment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Was that in the very final eps? I don't recall seeing this class in the water, though it's been a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 Was that in the very final eps? I don't recall seeing this class in the water, though it's been a while. Macross 7 episode 38 and possibly before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 very nice, but any word on weapons or variable fighter compliment? weapons will be added soon.... There is no data for fighter compliment.... only for the CV-7 (New Macross class) This would most likely be one of them can see: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...ssile-2047.html and/or different missiles (reactive warhead capable) in that retracting 10-salvo missile launcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjenius81 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 kick ass work on those missiles. Of course things like yield would be nice, but you cant have everything. Anyone got any ideas on both size of the missiles, and the yield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 When they say these carriers are meant to replace the ARMD carriers, is there any indication that they mean the original ARMDs we see in SDF Macross/DYRL?, or the updated looking ARMD style ships seen prominently in Macross Plus and Macross 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daeudi Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 (edited) Nanashi: You put some great looking stuff out. And your efforts are appreciated. That said- Why don't you ever list your references? you could do in a tiny 5 pt. font if you wanted! Just a little something to quiet the nay-sayers? It would quiet those who say you make it up. You have posted pics of your library, so we know you have it, all I (and quite a few others) are asking is that you tell us where we can find the info too. And we could also use it to search for a particular title to scan an image we love for ourselves, especially seeing as how you don't want anyone copying your scans. You know what they say- "Publish or Perish!" And without footnotes or references, it doesn't count as published.... Not trying to upset anyone- I just don't understand your resistance to listing your sources. Edited February 5, 2004 by daeudi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel's Fury Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Thank you once again Nanashi. Great work. Lookin' forward to the weapons section! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 The Uraga Class Escort Battle Carrier is replacing the Guantanamo Class Stealth Cariers seen in Macross Plus and Macross 7. Not sure where you get the CV-350 as a Uraga Class Nanashi, as the Guanatamo Class Carriers go up to 399. The Uraga's take over at or around 400. Although thats theory as they use the same designation of CV, which is also used by the US Navy. All carriers in the USN use the CV designation be it CV, CVN, CVL, CVA, etc, etc, and are numbered in sequential order. In Macross CV seems to cover only CV, and VC, (Variable Carrier,) which is Guantanamo's, Uraga's, and Sentinels. Which is why we see 404 to 417 in Macross 7, 551 in MDM: VF-X, and 565 in MDM:VF-X2 Macross and Macross Series also had CV's, but as they are naval not space they don't seem to follow the same numbering. The Prometheus was a CVS, and the Asuka II was a CVN, (CVN-99, following the US Navy pattern of designating Carriers with CV, and Nuclear powered ones with an N at the end. Hence CVN.) Of course if you really want to confuse people look behind Isamu just before he gets shipped off to Eden. On the wall is the ships plaque. It shows a Uraga Class Carriers outline, and mention SDAC. Super Dimensional Aircraft Carrier. I swear one day.........Im going to kidnap Kawamori-San, and tie him up until he answers every single ship, mecha, location, Fleet size, and Minmei's vital measurements question I have Below are a number of links to Egans site, and the RPG stats I've done, (so you can see piccies.) Egan Loo's Data on them http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...raga/index.html http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...namo/index.html RPG Stats http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/maizuru.html Guanatamo http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/arkroyal.html Uraga http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/UragaVariant.html Saratoga http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/sentinel.html Sentinel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southcross Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Nanashi, any chance you can divide up your site by "generation", or on a seperate page from your main page. For the few of us "macross generation" challenged people. Or even a identifier for Mac0, Mac, Mac+, Mac7. Thanks for the wonderful site. I can't wait for the weapons section myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted February 7, 2004 Author Share Posted February 7, 2004 (edited) The Uraga Class Escort Battle Carrier is replacing the Guantanamo Class Stealth Cariers seen in Macross Plus and Macross 7.Not sure where you get the CV-350 as a Uraga Class Nanashi, as the Guanatamo Class Carriers go up to 399. The Uraga's take over at or around 400. Although thats theory as they use the same designation of CV, which is also used by the US Navy. All carriers in the USN use the CV designation be it CV, CVN, CVL, CVA, etc, etc, and are numbered in sequential order. In Macross CV seems to cover only CV, and VC, (Variable Carrier,) which is Guantanamo's, Uraga's, and Sentinels. Which is why we see 404 to 417 in Macross 7, 551 in MDM: VF-X, and 565 in MDM:VF-X2 Macross and Macross Series also had CV's, but as they are naval not space they don't seem to follow the same numbering. The Prometheus was a CVS, and the Asuka II was a CVN, (CVN-99, following the US Navy pattern of designating Carriers with CV, and Nuclear powered ones with an N at the end. Hence CVN.) Of course if you really want to confuse people look behind Isamu just before he gets shipped off to Eden. On the wall is the ships plaque. It shows a Uraga Class Carriers outline, and mention SDAC. Super Dimensional Aircraft Carrier. I swear one day.........Im going to kidnap Kawamori-San, and tie him up until he answers every single ship, mecha, location, Fleet size, and Minmei's vital measurements question I have Below are a number of links to Egans site, and the RPG stats I've done, (so you can see piccies.) Egan Loo's Data on them http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...raga/index.html http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...namo/index.html RPG Stats http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/maizuru.html Guanatamo http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/arkroyal.html Uraga http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/UragaVariant.html Saratoga http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/sentinel.html Sentinel http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...ft_carrier.html "Uraga" is not a class of ship, it was merely a ship of that line, same goes for the Guantanamo. CV-350 was a typo.... it was actually the CV-320. Again, Uraga is not a class. That type of ship was also seen in Macross Plus in the Earth defense parameter. Which had a hull number of CV-216 that was not the same class as the Guantánamo (CV-299). There was also a ship that was the same type as the Guantánamo which had a hull number of CV-572 (Macross Plus). So your numbering arguement is not valid. 'VC-551' was a mistake made by Masahiro Chiba (official Macross 7 mecha specifications writer) that appeared in the VF-X Flight Manual book. The Valhalla III is actually the VCV-551. Variable Carrier Variable this can be seen on the the VF-X Mediax Mook and on the original VF-X game production design sheets. This is why I making my website. Too many people go to role-playing sites and think the information is accurate when it is not. Edited February 7, 2004 by Nanashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Blah blah blah !!!!!! Personally I'll be taking Egans info over yours anyday, you don't reference, and you are renowned for making stuff up. And before you even think of attacking me verbally, I reference, and use official sources only, and use my intelligence to try and work out what BW, and Kawamori-San are thinking and doing. Doesn't mean I get it right all the time, but Im pretty damn spot on the majority of the time. Regarding the numbering its based on simple logic, and what is seen. Not to mention that we know there is a distinct artists fudge factor involved. Hence, the following of the officially acknowledged numbers of ships. Plus Kawamori-San's preference for following US Navy styles. There is also a ship with a number in excess of 1000 somewhere in the EDF scene in Mac Plus. But we are acknowledging that as artist fudge factor. Of course if the big floating head himself would clear things up then it would make it all hunky dory. As you seem to believe that your the know it all of Macross, perhaps you'd like to tell us what the Uraga's class name is then ??? Oh and btw, read the link below before answering that question. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...raga/index.html In fact read it and weep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 Variable Carrier Variable correction: Variable Carrier Vessel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 Blah blah blah !!!!!!Personally I'll be taking Egans info over yours anyday, you don't reference, and you are renowned for making stuff up. And before you even think of attacking me verbally, I reference, and use official sources only, and use my intelligence to try and work out what BW, and Kawamori-San are thinking and doing. Doesn't mean I get it right all the time, but Im pretty damn spot on the majority of the time. Regarding the numbering its based on simple logic, and what is seen. Not to mention that we know there is a distinct artists fudge factor involved. Hence, the following of the officially acknowledged numbers of ships. Plus Kawamori-San's preference for following US Navy styles. There is also a ship with a number in excess of 1000 somewhere in the EDF scene in Mac Plus. But we are acknowledging that as artist fudge factor. Of course if the big floating head himself would clear things up then it would make it all hunky dory. As you seem to believe that your the know it all of Macross, perhaps you'd like to tell us what the Uraga's class name is then ??? Oh and btw, read the link below before answering that question. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...raga/index.html In fact read it and weep. Studio Nue is, primarily, responsible for the original sketches/line-art which would contain the numbers written on the hull which later get made into cels and painted. Nanashi's renowned for making things up... Since when? LOL That is exactly what I am against. Without getting upset... it look appears that your site has plenty of fan made names and specs and information for things which doesn't actually exist. "This website, Nanashi's Information Group (formally known as the New Macross Mechanical Archives) is a collection of resource information which was established to provide fans with detailed and accurate technical specifications, design schematics and other data on the mecha of the 1982 Japanese television SF animation series, The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, its sequels and side-stories" There are plenty of things on your site that are made up. Name one thing from my site that I made up and I will scan you a page from an import book or production design sheet. Egan's entry has changed between saying Uraga Escort Battle Carrier and Uraga-Class Escort Battle Carrier. This is currently inaccurate. There is no written source which refers to an Uraga Class... the Japanese kanji ç´š (kyuu) which is tacked onto the end of a ship name to represent that is the ship class. Especially since there are currently two of more ships that look just like the Uraga and have an earlier hull number. As for the Nanashi's site not using references, if anyone wants to know where I get my information/etc. I will quote the souce per request. I do not make up anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 I reference, and use official sources only, and use my intelligence to try and work out what BW, and Kawamori-San are thinking and doing. Doesn't mean I get it right all the time, but Im pretty damn spot on the majority of the time. Translation: You make stuff up. Educated guesses or no. And to say Nanashi is "notorious for making stuff up"? Nanashi hit the nail on the head. Sounds to me like one more case of you making stuff up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Major Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 (edited) Yeah, Show me proof of where Nanashi has "Made Stuff Up". and where do you get the nerve to get after him for doing so, when you have no proof and you admit to making stuff up your own self. And as for referencing, Nanashi's site is still a super WIP (work in progress for those who dont know), and just because he has references DEFINATLY does not mean it accurate or even official. because 10 to .001 no one has actualy gone in and investigated his references citing where the information for an entry can be found. And WTF? Read it a weap, there is a big Fault in that entry, The Class name of the carriers docked to the Riviera, Hollywood, and so on WAS NOT DISCLOSED soooo that means IF it hasnt been disclosed what class carrier is docked with it then how can it be the Uraga class? IT CANT So Egans Entry is wrong, and the only people that can tell you what the Uraga's class is, would be Studio Nue or Kawamori him self, so please, unless you have checked all your facts, hush. Edited February 8, 2004 by The_Major Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 If we're going to start discussing credibility of sites for official information, might I suggest one conducts a search on how many times a newbie has come to the board with a question or statement, has referenced a certain site, only to be told that that source is unreliable because it is an RPG site. Their creators having to take the liberty to fill in gaps themselves for their players. I think I'd look to the websites where the majority of the material is translated from rare sources, and probably go to the one with the best pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 ^^;; Well, Jester does one thing right... Stealth Escort Battle Carrier is more accurate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 I really don't see why anyone is getting up in arms about anything here. Nanashi, you always seem to claim that your sources are official books, usually rare untranslated material. In your threads you often even cite sources, but on your website you don't. I think it would severely diminish any doubts of your accuracy if you simply provided a small notice of what sources you used, teeny-tiny text at the bottom of the page. Would make everything look a lot more official. State what information came from where, so it's clear that nothing is speculation. I, personally, see no reason to doubt Nanashi's integrity on this matter, but keep in mind that even official books and documents can conflict with each other. I'm sincerely curious to know where Egan got his information, as I see no reason to doubt him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNSF Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 (edited) Nanashi, let me just say that you do really great work. The line-arts and various pictures that you provide are simply breath taking. I was wondering though you've been posting many of you work on the forum but when I check your nanashi.macrossmecha.info most of that stuff hasnt been posted. Do you have another macross site that you constantly update? Also I'm a big fan of the Asuka II stealth carrier used in macross 0. Any chance you could provide us with some line art that shows the top and side view of the carrier? I also have a question regarding your Promethius super carrier entry. In it you state that the carriers production cost soared to 200 billion dollars, is this in Yen or US dollars? 200 billion seems like such a high number for only 1 carrier seeing that the US's defense budget comes to about 350 billion for all the armed services. Also a typical Nimitz class carrier only cost the US about 2 billion dollars but final cost comes to about 4-5 billion after the carrier is fully equipped with fighters and electronics. Edited February 8, 2004 by UNSF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southcross Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 (edited) I also have a question regarding your Promethius super carrier entry. In it you state that the carriers production cost soared to 200 billion dollars, is this in Yen or US dollars? 200 billion seems like such a high number for only 1 carrier seeing that the US's defense budget comes to about 350 billion for all the armed services. Also a typical Nimitz class carrier only cost the US about 2 billion dollars but final cost comes to about 4-5 billion after the carrier is fully equipped with fighters and electronics. Well correct me if I'm wrong, but this vessel was created under a dysfunctional-"United Earth"-government. The US alone would not have been the ones to front the bill for its construction. 2 Billion for an aircraft carrier with two nuclear fission reactors, vs an aircraft carrier using 4 nuclear reactors, has dual level flight decks, and is semi-submersable? Its like comparing the $53.4mil for a B-52 bomber vs the $1.157bil for the Stealth B2. Thats an increase of 2,166.66667%! An increase like that over the Nimit, it would cost 4.333 Trillion 200billion for a Uber "Super Carrier" sounds like a steal. Remember the government way of thinking, why build one when you can build two for twice the cost Besides, if it was Yen.... it would be more expensive Edit---- for you people who want to "question my sources" Airforce Official Website Edited February 8, 2004 by Southcross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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