DrClay

you're the one who suggested that the idea wasn't "simple" enough for most Macross fans... but anyways, I've retracted my idea. You can drop it, just dismiss it out of hand (that's what everyone else does) obviously 1,000,000 replies to this post all trying to make up a fictional reason for why the VF-0 is more advanced than a VF-1 is much more interesting than anything I could post.(when the answer is obvious, Kawamori didn't feel like concerning himself with the SDF continuity when he made Mac 0, at least I think that's what I read that he said) anyways, I don't think Macrossworlders are stupid. And I'm sure all these jury-rigged plot idea arguements are really something... anymore telling me how stupid my idea is can be done by PM.

I WISH!!!!!!!!!!

I have 2! I LOVE IT! but all the problems Graham mentions in his review ARE still present. I read his review first and bought it knowing the risks. You can predict whether you'd like it based on the review, if it doesn't sound good, don't get it.

This thread is "Will Kawamori San do a redesign for the VF-1? and is this a good thing?" I'm not saying what I think SK WILL do.... how would I know? But as far as could it be a good thing... I thought I had an interesting idea, so rather than typing ANOTHER post that essentially says "NO, I LIKE IT HOW IT IS!" or "The Vf-1 doesn't have to be re-designed because I made up this BS as to why the VF-0 is the more advanced fighter..." like everyone else keeps repeating. I simply suggested that if there was an all new anime by Kawamori with the Macross name and new Kawamori styled Variable Fighters, it would be very cool and, being completely seperate of SDF Macross, it wouldn't be all plot-holy or interfere with canon. We could have our cake and eat it, too But does anyone respond in a positive way? No, it's all "If Kawamori went back and changed the continuity, it would be the suck ala Star Wars" which is yet another post along the lines of "NO, I LIKE IT HOW IT IS!" and shows that my post was COMPLETELY misunderstood. With this response I have to wonder if you can understand the concept of seperate works of fiction. And when I try to re-explain that my idea is continuity free, the response is, "I WANT him to insert new plotlines in the existing continuity. Only you seem to not like what Lucas did to Star Wars" WTF? Obviously, you're right, it's not a simple enough idea for you. So, I'll accept that this idea is too abstract for the average Macross fan to grasp. The Average Gundam fan seems to get it, as does the average Zoids fan... but if a "Macross Wing" or "Turn-A Macross" or a "Macross X" story were to be made, according to this forum many Macross fans would be too confused and maybe their heads would explode. So, I retract my idea. You guys can go back to arguing over who's BS reason why the VF-0 is so much bigger than the VF-1 is the correct BS, and every now and again posting messages like "I LIKE THE OLD VF-1!!!" have fun with that.

I didn't see anyone talking like that when the creator of the original Gaundam designed the turn-A Gundam.... Do you know anyone who considers the RX-78-2 obsolete because of the existanse of the alternate storyline "Turn-A Gundam"? And yeah, star wars is full of plot holes due to the creator going back and re-writing history, but once again, you you seem to mis-understand me, these problems are caused because star wars is supposed to be a single continuity. If Episode 1 was supposed to be an alternate Universe, there would be no way it could create plot holes. Think of Universal Century Gundam vs. After Colony Gundam... no one says, "The existance of the Wing Gundam is a plot hole because in the original series the RX-78-2 is the only gundam!" they are related only in concept. Think of the final fantasy series, each game is independant of the others, the stories follow the same ideas with the same story type. Each game is great in its own way. There are still fans of older games in the series like FFVI (and I KNOW that Final Fantasy X-2 is a direct sequel to FFX, it doesn't invalidate my point) so what exactly is your point? You don't want new Macross series because there might be a new "ideal" valkyrie? Or maybe that there can only be one canon.... if that's the case then tell me, which canon is correct: Star trek or Babylon five? each has its own canon... and your Star wars arguement proves my point, inserting new Macross stuff (valk designs, storylines, characters, etc... etc...) into the existing Macross storyline would lame it up.... hence, I say that ALTERNATE storylines would be good. I sorry if 2 animes by SK with 2 seperate canons is too hard a concept for you to grasp. It must be very hard for you, going to movies and thinking things like "Why does everyone keep refering to Ted as 'Neo'? and where's Bill? and is it because of the Matrix that they were able to make that phone booth travel through time? I'm so confused!"

that's was my point, they're ALTERNATE versions. It's not like there was no show because the robot was re-designed for the movie. this seems like a simple point to me but I'll repeat it anyways: If a redesign of the VF-1 showed up at the end of Mac 0, it wouldn't erase the original. just like my NEW He-man action figure stands next to my old, my presumtive Yamato Mac 0 vf-1 would stand next to my DYRL vf-1. It wouldn't rewrite history. I wouldn't have to throw away my VF-1s or rip out the pages of line art of the old designs. Plus, why not an alternate storyline? Don't you MWers want more Macross? how else would we get it? MORE prequels? Macross -1? VF-(-1)s? or more sequels? Macross 8: the new enemy, flying around in a VF-23 (same as a vf-22 except lighter blue) our hero fights the Simons! now, to defeat the Simons, he must sing American Idol style while withstanding Simon's insults.... etc... etc...

well, maybe it sucks, but it doesn't matter because it's an alternate storyline, that was my point there. And I know Kawamori didn't design Mac II valks... on this site is the alternate reality valks that SK DID design, they were later developed and used for Mac+... I didn't say he DID make an alternate story, I said he WANTED to make an alternate storyline.

I hand the belt over to you, Skull-1. Now you are the holder of the title "Silliest Ranter"

There will be red and blue with max and mirria

In Gundam wing the TV show, Wing is upgraded to wing zero. In the movie, Endless waltz, Wing Zero has big angel wings. They're just there, no talk of upgrades, they try to destroy it right at the beginning, why would they upgrade it to do that? There are flashbacks from the movie to things that happened in the TV show, in these flashbacks the Wing Gundam has the angel wings... The movie version is an alternate. At the end (spoiler) they destroy the pretty Gundam, so there's no arguing that the Fix action figure is an upgrade made in the storyline either. These are just alternate versions of robots just for the sake of toys and models, personally I don't have a problem with that. Getting back to Macross, The continuity has been stretched ludicrous far already. and alternate universes have been introduced. SO, you gotta' ask yourself, which is worse? Macross II, which can be ignored if you don't like it (but at least it introduced a cool valk) OR Macross 7, which you inevitably have to include as part of the macross saga [and most of the mecha from it are just variations of earlier mecha (now with killer soundsystems, AWESOME and RADICAL, dude!)] Kawamori first idea to continue the Macross was alternate universes. This way, he could make new stories without screwing up Macross (why mess with perfection)

Everyone here seems to think that to make a new jet and call it a VF-1 would be to erase the old one. What if BW mad an new OVA series continuing the story begun in Macross 0? It's done all the time in fanboy favorites. Think of it like 80's He-man vs. 00's He-Man... same group of characters, new designs. Continuing the macross story via alternate tellings keeps macross fresh without stretching it too thin. No one forgot about Gundam's Wing Zero when the movie came out and it suddenly had angel wings.... and it wasn't like it took away from either of the previous Wings when the Fix figure was announced.

Yes, and the responsible party is Yamato! <_<

OMG!! i agree 1,000,000%

I heard Kawamori was going to redesign the VF-1... to look more continuity-y also, Earlier someone posted that this poll should have been, what would you buy if it came out... THat's a very good point, for example, I VOTED for 1/60 because this might possible please the most fanboys. (and that DOESN'T mean I'd like a 1/72, by the way) but I'd BUY a 1/48 in a heartbeat, if I had the chance.

ok, go to wal mart and hold an F-14

1:60 is the way to go, same size as 1:48 VF-1, but to scale with 1:60 Vf-1s also, has anyone seen those 1:48 diecast F-16s at Walmart? since the real f-16 would be about 18 meters, shouldn't those toys be a good indicator of how big a 1:48 0 would be? Also since they are all plastic, more materials shouldn't make too much cost, since the VF-0 in the show was designed using autocad with toys in mind by Kawamori who also approves all Yamatos designs, couldn't they use that autocad model to make the toy? I think a 1:48 could bring in a big ole' profit margin if priced at $150... less than a pimped out VF-1. but I know how you "1:48 for anything other than a VF-1 is wrong and should not even be thought about because etc etc etc..." people don't like hearing talk like this, so remember, my vote is for 1:60, and I've read aegeis' post already EDIT: the Yamato M+ 1:72's are sized up from 1:72 for toy making reasons, if the big VF-0 is 1:72, it won't be to scale with any other yamato valks.

amen

What enemies? I used to dislike reading Graham's "I know something you don't know" but I NEVER considered him an enemy... how does that work? I defy you to find one of my posts that is intended to insult another Macrossworlder... I have only quoted other's posts, or find an excessive number of posts that are NOT in response to another post directed exclusively at me, From now on I will PM, but this post is for everyone who cares: I stated an opinion. I defended my opinion against numerous attacks. I learned my lesson. I'll go back to lurking and being generally ignored... sorry to have wasted a couple of minutes of your day. <_<

No, seriously, I am a lame ass. and everyone SHOULD tell me about how much I suck. I think that is VERY relevant in in a discussion about toys.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I post an opinion again? what is wrong with me?!? well, my poll was locked for being so lame. I say, "Uh-oh, my opinion is on the board. thank goodness that it was locked ('cause you know how every Macrossworlder HAS to read it)" now, however no one will lose a second or two of their life read my lame opinion.

I love that the toys are just floating over your table... most people make it look like their valk is out in space or something... but these are just magic

oh, excuse me... I'll add that to the list, let's see.... lame.... drama queen.... and a-hole... I guess I do deserve that for wanting a toy that looked like that cool model, but was substantial like the earlier Yamato YF-19. I mean only an a-hole would want that.

that's right, I was, but now I see the light, I should express the same emotion as the rest of you on all subjects from now on. I mean, what was I thinking? being disappointed? no macrossworlder has got time for that! Once again, thank you I'll have to remember that I am lame AND a drama queen. Bless you for pointing this out to me.

you're ALL right. I shouldn't express opinions. I mean, what if someone reads them? Of course, it's perfectly alright for everyone else here to state their opinion about how much I suck. I'M the only one who shouldn't be allowed to post.

I made a poll and everyone told me I was lame... so I voted in this one.