Mokman

As I understand it cels deteriorate by a process called hydrolysis, which is the effect of water molecules breaking down other molecules. The question is if you can remove 100% of the water from a cel will this process halt? Is it even possible to fully desiccate a cel, and without otherwise destroying it? Will encasing it in resin faciliate this? Unless the answer to all these questions is yes, encasing a cel in resin would be a wasted effort. My guess is if this was an effective preservation technique it would already be well known and widely in use.

Ah, yes. I had forgotten about that scene. Thanks.

Which episode? Broken Heart is the one where Minmei and Lynn Kyle are taken prisoner but there is no part in it where she falls. And the clothes she is wearing does not match. I though maybe from Phantasm when Rick is delirious but the shot is not in there either.

Thanks. Had a problem with the last five images because they were originally bmp instead of jpg so it was not creating a thumbnail. Fixed the issue now. All but the last five images are composites of multiple layers.

Well that took a bit of time, but it was worth it in the end. I didn't do all the variations of the shot of Minmei with her arm up since there are about 10 douga for the entire cut (multiple eyes and mouths). I didn't know I was getting any of the Minmei images from the auction description, nor the Khyron, Rick in his helmet, Sammy looking over her shoulder, or the unknown bald headed image. So speaking of that one. Can anyone identify it? I am drawing a blank on where it might be from (Macross or otherwise).

I just received my package of 30-some douga I won off YJ a while ago. Some nice surprises in the additional douga that were not shown on the auction. One I can't identify off hand as being from Macross. I'm in the process of scanning them all now and then I will composite the multi-layer items before posting (many have separate eyes and/or mouths).

@Odenwith the amount of control I have with my player to slow advance I don't see any kind of fade in. It jumps from a white screen to the frame I shared.

Nice find Oden. Definitely the cut the image is from. I was able to get a better screen cap of it and I have to conclude that the cel in question was not used in the final production. It is amazingly close, but there are some details that don't match. Have a look at the closeups of the bulb at the side of her helmet. Especially the bottom. The highlight is not the same shape, and the black hash marks are different. Also the spacing of the black bars along the jaw of the helmet is different, as well as those at the neck joint. The cel is so close though that it might be possible that it was studio-made instead of a fan cel, but not the version of it that was used in production. I can't see the image well enough on that poster to tell, but it might be this cel that was used for it instead of the production cel. I know color can vary greatly across multiple scans, screen caps, etc, but the color of the cel seems to match much better the color in the poster than the color in the anime. It would make sense to me too that an official, period product like the poster would have been created from legitimate artwork, and would not include an image of a fan cel.

I am also interested to see how that cel ends on Mandarake. The final price will go a long way to reveal if the same bidders who are active on YJ are active on Mandarake as well.

Too many things didn't seem right to me on that one. I am not sure it is original. Certainly doesn't have the same quality as the DYRL backgrounds I do have. Now if the seller had offered those cels instead, they certainly would have gotten some action.

Wow, I have never been a fan of Macross 7 artwork, but there are some great DYRL flashback images in that sequence. I would be happy to own many of them.

Found it. Macross 7 Encore episode "Fleet of the Strongest Women". About 5 minutes in during a flashback of DYRL.

Its not a TV cel. Take a close look at the Macross. I has the ARMD carriers on the arms instead of the Daedalus and Prometheus. The quality of the artwork also seems to be much better than anything that was in the original TV series.

No this one. But that one was very nice. The asking price was something like $2k wasn't?

It is definitely not DYRL. I have never seen Macross 7 myself so I don't know.

There is a Macross 7 SDF-1 cel on Anime Link. A little overpriced for what it is in my opinion.

It seems to me mecha artwork has always been more rare than character artwork.

I think the Misa group was totally worth the 201,000 JPY given the number of individual items included. Parted out individually you could definitely get more than that for the better pieces. I have to say I am pleasantly shocked to have won the auction I was interested in (well not counting the Max battloid which I knew was going to go much higher than I would have bid). I won the group with the two cockpit sketches. There is a fun little easter egg of sorts on the sketch of the cockpit interior. It says "Seiko", "Akina" and "Iyo" on the side of the seat. I believe these are a nod to the pop idols Seiko Matsuda, Akina Nakamori and Iyo Matsumoto who were popular in Japan in the 80's. There are several other places throughout the series where similar nods are given, as shown on this site. https://yackdeculture.tumblr.com/post/86954906554

I suspect it will go for more than $1k as well. I would bid on it but that would be too rich for me. With the inflated prices cels have been generating there appears to be a bit of glut of artwork available at the moment, more currently on YJ than I remember for a long time. Maybe the supply and demand pendulum will start to swing prices in the other direction.

Indeed. I am interested in a couple of them, but with the way things have been going I might have to pass on them.

Fair enough. I was just curious how you came to your conclusion. I would agree an account with that much feedback most likely is a deputy.

To be sure prices for Macross cels are up on Ebay as well. No one is getting any there for cheap. And how exactly do you suggest Rinkya is supposedly manipulating the market, as you say for higher fees for themselves and higher prices for the sellers? People bid what they want for a cel, when they want. When the bidding gets too rich for them they drop out. Surely you don't think Rinkya is having someone bid up to the $1500 that they know is your maximum in hopes that you would bid more and thereby generate a higher fee for them? What inducement could they possibly give someone to bid up to, by your own admission, such a ridiculously high price for a cel not worth that much? Since the final price on YJ was $1500 and you did not win it, means someone in fact wanted to bid more than the "ridiculously high" price you bid. So to answer your question, I don't think anything out of sorts is going on with Rinkya. It seems to me there simply is a flush of new collectors in the market that are more willing to spend more of their disposable income than those from the established market. The cels are worth these high prices to them and they are willing to go that far to acquire them. It doesn't have to make sense to those of us who wouldn't spend that much ourselves, it is for each to determine what something is worth to them alone. You claim the cel in your example was only worth $100, but you bid $1500 for it. Seems to me your were actually saying it was worth $1500 to you. It just happens someone else thought it was worth more.

MacrossManiac, make sure you understand the difference between the high bid on YJ and the high bid on Rinkya. They are not always the same thing. When two or more Rinkya users are bidding, Rinkya keeps track of their individual high bids. However they only bid enough on YJ to outbid the highest non-Rinkya bidder. If another Rinkya user comes in and bids higher, the high bid on YJ doesn't change. Rinkya just changes internally which of their users is the owner of that high bid on YJ. It sounds to me like that is what has happened to you. You were outbid by another Rinkya user and didn't realize it.

How do you know they were proxy bidders?

Do we know for a fact that the winning bids on the cels in question were Rinkya bids? Do we know that the competing bidders who took the auctions to the high final prices were all Rinkya bidders? It would be very hard to say if something strange is going on with Rinkya unless we are certain that the answer to both questions is yes. I have never had any problems myself when using Rinkya.