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Precisely. As soon as you start saying "Well, I guess it's okay that companies I do business with don't honor their own promises" you find yourself on a terribly slippery slope. It's easy to dismiss here 'cause we're talking about a mediocre toy at a relatively small price and that's why I'm arguing for the principal. I don't own any Alphas as investments but I bought them under certain pretenses and those pretenses should be honored.

Apples vs. oranges..... FIGHT!

No, you guys are right, Toynami seriously has no obligations here and anyone who bought their products has no right ot expect them to really mean what they say. After all, Toynami did say that the initial VF-1 MPCs would only be 10K and then upped that number to 15K after receiving a bunch of pre-orders (which obviously de-values what the people who pre-ordered before the number change had paid for). F-that, you guys are wrong. People absolutely have a right to be pissed that their collectibles are being devalued by a company looking to make more money no matter how logical that search for more money is. What would people say if Yamato re-released the VF-1A LV1 as a mass production run with a different name? When people say something is limiited they're expected to live up to that, don't be apologists of some sort and give them an easy way out. For my own part, I am far more upset with the principals being pissed on here than anything to do with value. If I tell you something is one of a kind I mean that it's the only one in existence, I don't mean that it's the only one that I'm calling by a particular name.

You musta bought a different MPC than the one I bought. Mine says it's limited to a production run of 15K. Apparently yours has the additional small print that says "In the American market." Making something limited only in a certain geographic area in a society that has things as miraculous as airplanes makes that "limited" term meaningless.

Seconded... Toynami is about to destroy the value of their own products and reputation if all is as it seems. What might be cool is if these are versions of the MPCs without diecast (or less of it) or something.

This may seem like a silly criticism but the destroids here seem more top-heavy than need be (with exception of the rail gun one). I do like the hints of the old destroids in them though.

I think that's a pretty cool idea, except the YF-19 shirt would say Shinsei. Hmm... I kinda want to get a Shinsei Industries polo shirt now to have the ultimate obscure reference going everytime I golf. That said, I also like the first design plenty also.

The partial painting probably renders this thing very difficult to sale. You could always eBay it to find out

I kinda disagree on CAD. Continuing to use Yamato as an example there's the teh sux quality of the 1/72 products vs. the CAD 1/48s. I'd say that's a pretty instant jump in design, quality, and fit. Is it perfect? No. It is the future though and it's a good thing. Companies will still have to make $$ decisions on materials and there will always be issues the computer must not have seen coming (VF-0S' floppy midsection) but as the companies gain more experience they should be capable of overcoming these issues. Pen & Paper makes it a whole new ball game with whole new problems on every new design.

It's all in the economics Fit For Natalie. Yamato has a budget for failure (as all companies do), be it goods that are destroyed in shipping or goods that are unsatisfactory and returned. Yamato also has a name it needs to keep in the consumer's minds and so they rely on fairly prompt delivery of toys (scheduling of releases has multiple variables). The bare minimum amount of time that is deemed necessary is used to pressure test new products because, in today's environment, extensive design testing is done via computer on computer models. So, Yamato accepts that some products won't be up to snuff, accepts that they will spend very little time actually handling prototypes and first-runs, and anticipates that their computerized evaluations would have revealed any significant issues. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. I think their audience has also proven to be quite patient which can't be a good thing. Any situation like this is a bit of a gamble but believe me, they've done the math to determine what they feel is the most profitable amount of effort to invest in every step of the process and the most profitable route rarely coincides with the perfect route for the end consumer.

My email went directly to Garner and was extremely basic, it just said "Hey, my shoulders broke but I liked my Garland otherwise. I heard you can get me new and improved shoulders. My address is blah blah blah." I'm guessing Ginrai that he got several emails in, put in requests for shoulders, and yours either got erroneously checked as having been a request that was satisfied (since he apparently doesn't respond via email) or that he actually did send a request and a shipping person sent yours to some other address.

Looks like these customs are making appearances at all the Japanese toy shows.

While I don't imagine these will be much different from the Toynami MPCs I am also starting to really doubt they are just reissues of the Toynami products. Toynami sales its products based on them being limited editions and if they turned around and produced more for other markets they would be burning their customers. I am much more inclined to believe they will be extremely similar to the MPC but with the improvements any moron would have made to that line after inspecting one or two samples. Now, Toynami's Ride Armors, those might get sold in multiple markets simultaneously. I could see that happening so long as Toynami sticks to the production numbers they announce (something it's already too late to do with the Alphas).

It's going to make me feel old to type this but... You know what else I loved about that game? The PHYSICs! Yeah, shut-up, I know. Anyway, remember that level where you were constantly being sucked into black holes? Even the bullets and missiles would get sucked away into them. That was nifty for a kid like me. It probably wasn't the first game to do it... but it may have been the coolest shooter to do it (up to that point). PS - I'm not sure, am I derailing with the Gaiares chat or was the premise of this thread to talk about old favorite video games so we could all queue up our emulators again?

I LOVED Warsong... absolutely LOVED it. I was so bummed when I heard it was but one game in a series that never ever got ported over to the US. Obviously any Shining game (Shining in the Darkness or Shining Force), World War III on the Sega CD, and anything Phantasy Star (even the so-so Phantasy Star III). It always bums me out that more of my friends don't remember the Phantasy Star games, especially Phantasy Star II, soooo many hours of my life in that game.

May I recommend the shooter Gaiares? That game was fantastic but it seems to be a gem not everyone knows about. It ranks as EASILY the best shooter that ever appeared on the Genesis in my book.

Chowser might be onto something if you believe Toynami would actually do any re-tooling to come up with a new MPC Alpha for the Shadow Chronicles. If they re-tooled the Alpha, improved upon it, and made it with the foresight of a future Beta release that might be something truly awesome (except for the vocal few who ONLY bought an Alpha once they saw that Toynami was CONSIDERING making a Beta). I don't see that happening though. Toynami looks to be doing simple repaints for their Shadow Chronicles lines. If they do a MPC Scott SC version they better give it metallic paint or something to differentiate it or else fans will probably scream bloody murder.

You mean "get some sort of compensation," watch your rhetoric. He doesn't have dreams of new cars and mansions here unless he's delusional. I don't think he gets free trips to Japan, free bullet train service, free hotel rooms or free meals on his trips. I also bet he gets paid for his time as well. Even if you theoretically don't pay a dime but you invest countless man hours you're entitlted to compensation of some form. Carl is not Roger and Roger is not making a stink about anything and Carl's doing it because he sees the value in Roger's work. He's not asking you to spend money and he's only asking you to spend a few minutes of your time but even that is too much effort for you? Your entire argument hinges upon the fact you don't think Roger is entitled to anything for his hard work. You completely ignore the fact that we wouldn't be talking about any of this without that hard work. Once you recognize that it is only because of Roger that these designs can come to light you will begin to see there's value to what Roger has done. Once you recognize that value is present it shouldn't take you long to understand that compensation is not an unreasonable request.

Actually the Enforcers according to RT.com are the big blue guys with heat rays instead of plasma disks. I believe (might be mistaken) the old RT RPGs though used to refer to what is known at RT.com as the Invid Soldier (and what you're referring to Breetai) as Enforcers. So there's the confusion for you.

I'm getting toward the end of VOTOMs and I gotta say, it's finally starting to lose some appeal with me. I thought it was pure awesomeness up until it started getting wrapped up in Wiseman. It's not that it's getting too spiritual for me either, I don't see it that way, I think I just liked the political answer where the whole story was the meddling of men. I'm not through it yet though, maybe it redeems itself in the last several episodes. Also, someone said once in some thread that Chirico was a more empathetic character than Stig in Mospeada. I haven't seen that yet at all. He's more enigmatic but he's just as big a prick. I guess the difference is you really keep hoping Chirico will snap out of it with Fyana's help whereas Stig clearly needs something beyond love... like a good healthy dose of wrath.

I agree. No one refutes that Roger did some work for this. IF (and it's a big if, but one I don't think any of us is capable of answering) he is capable of receiving compensation for his efforts, how can we possibly state he shouldn't? I'm a stingey bastard who hates paying for anything, that doesn't give me the right to start demanding things for free or asserting that people giving me things for free is the best way for them to conduct their lives. That said, I think more than anything else Danth is just arguing that these items get published at all costs, regardless of HG or any potential gains. On those grounds I agree. I hope if HG can't come through for Roger that these designs don't just fade away into obscurity but do become public viewing some how. I don't think we're at a point where that should be our fear though. Best of luck to you Roger.

Theoretically this guy worked hard to dig up this information. He is under the impression that his time and effort is worth some amount of money. The Internet could facilitate this if these designs would draw enough attention/traffic to gain Roger some funds from the revenue the site would get from advertisers. He may also be under the impression that Harmony Gold has a wider reach than an unknown/named website and thus he could reach more people/receive greater profit from working with HG. Trying to wheel and deal with HG thus makes a ton of sense... more sense than saying "You should just give it away for free!" Don't get me wrong, it'd be awesome if he did that, I love Mospeada and would love to see everything, but how could I possibly fault the guy for seeking some reward for all his hard work? The legalities of the situation are something entirely different... if he can't possibly profit in anyway then hell yeah, to the free Internet dispersing method with them!

I have long speculated the VFA-6H didn't see a full 15K production run but Kevin at the Valk Exchange stated last time I brought up that conspiracy that he believed all were made and sold. I'm still not 100% convinced but he'd know a heck of a lot better than I would. If Toynami were smart it'd be sand bagging a few thousand Scott MPCs for a Beta release. Starting with a Shadow Beta might also make great sense since it'd go with three MPC releases rather than just the one.

Hey you, it's a brick with a long thin protrusion! I didn't say I'd buy it because I was fond of the design though, I'd just buy it for the novelty. Did you guys ever notice the "destroids" in that show? Wow... bad. I swear the Logan (RT name) was seriously designed with Gobots in mind. They were like "We'll put the shell of a jet on a robot body and just have a body flip out from underneath... it'll be the easiest toy to make ever!" Even when they finally got around to introducing a half decent mech they made it into a space helicopter that's super thin and angular giving it the look of an emaciated Legioss wannabe. For some reason I did like the Bioroid (RT name again) though. Of all the possible Southern Cross toys, I think a bioroid would be highest on my want list.

With the exception of the Mospeada Ride Armors and the Tread. Um, so can we just say the "three mode variable Legioss is essentially the same idea as the three mode variable Valkyrie?" I think that's a bit more precise. I'll jump on the "wow, Southern Cross designs are terrible" band wagon. Seriously... ouch. I'll definitely give Mac7 the better mech design award faces et al.... but plot-wise the original Southern Cross (not the atrocious Robotech Masters) had a better story... albeit a dark story that would have worked much better as a movie in my opinion since it wasn't very inviting or intriguing. Still, toys for that show? Not bloody likely... but I could be convinced to buy a Sparta (hover tank) if it came out.