Seto Kaiba

Generally speaking, when you see someone making a serious attempt to defend Carl Macek's artistic integrity and the quality of his work it's a pretty good sign that hilarity is about to ensue. Y'know, I had always suspected that Robotech's Minmei was a member of an alien race cursed with the psychic power to turn people into masochists and an irrational compulsion to sing... it's nice to know I'm no longer the sole proponent of that theory. I'd welcome you to MacrossWorld, but since you're already well aware I'm not terribly fond of you for standing by and letting the idiot brigade overrun what may very well have been the last bastion of common sense and impartiality in the Robotech fandom, I won't waste your time with insincere pleasantries. Ah, my bad... of course the inherent hilarity in RobotechX plugging a podcast that is overwhelming critical of exactly the kind of overly-political mess you've allowed the site to become no doubt has your sides splitting with barely-suppressed mirth. I know I'm laughing long and hard over here. Okay, serious points for the realistic outlook... it's a welcome change from the usual course of events we follow when a Robotech fan registers here. They usually come in hard and fast with the denial and insist that all's right and well in the Robotech franchise. Like I said, Robotech's "protoculture" is an all-purpose spackle for filling plot holes of all sizes.

So far, it doesn't look like anyone who actually matters bothered to even acknowledge the existence of Robotech on March 4th, let alone bothered to tell the rest of the world about the show's 25th anniversary. Very few fan sites even took notice and did something special for the occasion, with the sole attractions being a brief announcement from the idiot duo over on RobotechX and the "anniversarycast" on JT's Protoculture Times blog. Harmony Gold didn't even bother to put up anything about the anniversary on Robotech.com's front page. It's certainly possible that they're holding back on some kind of big announcement for one of the bigger conventions, but knowing them there won't be. By all accounts, the only big news this year is Carl Macek's return to Robotech after being fired a decade ago for wasting the company's money on a string of embarrassingly bad projects that all failed long before they could be released. No show of pride in having made their crapshoot franchise last this long. Not even a party for their faithful fans to celebrate the occasion. Just silence and the awkward feeling that they might've finally pushed the fans too far. Give them a little credit, some of them DO know that Harmony Gold has nothing to show for 25 years of ineptitude and failure... they're just too busy being harassed by MEMO and Maverick to crow about it. Presumably yes... Tommy did announce the existence of a sequel project several months before the announcement of the live-action movie project rolled in and put the kibosh on everything. The VAs insist that they were contracted to do three movies, and that Harmony Gold let them know things were on hiatus fairly swiftly. So presumably at one point it was going to be a serious attempt to keep the ball rolling. Wow... issues of grammar and punctuation aside, whoever wrote that needs to ditch the prescription rose-tinted glasses they've been viewing Robotech's history through. What this person is asking for is for us all to give Carl Macek the chance to not royally fart things up like he did on every Robotech sequel he worked on. No, he did not do a good job on Sentinels, he made the Japanese writers throw up their hands and say "fart this poo", then handed care of the script over to a bunch of hamhanded idiots who had only the vaguest clue of how to write sci-fi. No, he did not do a good job on the Robotech story... it's a crummy mess of plot holes and dialogue errors stuck together with copious amounts of all-purpose protoculture-brand plot spackle. For that matter, Tommy did NOT do a good job on Shadow Chronicles either... the animation would've been an embarrassment to any competent studio over a decade ago, and the writing reads like a bad Star Trek-and-Robotech crossover fanfic. So no, you ignorant buffoon whose post I can't be arsed to find, nobody can revive the "old Robotech spirit from back in the day" because it depended entirely on the audience being completely ignorant of what real anime is. There never was any great golden age of Robotech. It was immediately outshined by Transformers as soon as it came out, and never came even remotely close to being popular or iconic. Bringing Carl Macek back into the creative staff ensures one thing and one thing only... that the next Robotech sequel, whenever it comes, will fail before it ever reaches the hands of the fans. So, yes, my fellow Macross fans... let's give Carl Macek a chance... a chance to do what Tommy Yune hasn't yet managed to do: run the Robotech franchise the rest of the way into the ground and put it to rest with what little dignity it still has.

Which isn't the rationale you were espousing before... Okay, you're half-right this time... in truth, Kariba says that his father was a whaler and that he fulfilled his wishes not by created the poaching group, but by expanding it. And posting assumptions as fact is bad practice, as is using them as supporting points while making your argument. You have, thus far, been posting stuff that is simply and demonstrably untrue, mixed with a fair bit of material that can't be supported by any currently-available source. We've been through this once recently already, with someone who posted assumptions as fact, and it didn't end well. Unfounded speculation simply has no place in a debate. If you want to make educated guesses, go right ahead... but don't just guess wildly. Oh yes, and nothing forms or moves in spirals without intervention from the Protoculture... right. Anyway, this wonderful counterargument of yours depends on another unproven assertion... namely, that the Zolans are another species that was manipulated by the Protoculture. It seems likely that they were, but there is no hard evidence of such available in the animation, and no explicit confirmation outside of it. It's the same sort of gray area as the whole "Mardook are the Protoculture" thing, where all the evidence points to it being the case, but the show's creators leave it unanswered. As such, we have no way of confirming whether or not the Protoculture ever encountered the planet Zola and/or the galactic whales. The galaxy is a mind-bogglingly huge place. Also, has there ever been explicit confirmation (in-universe) that the Glaug and/or Regult were based on the Vajra? I'm not aware of any, but then again I haven't been paying a huge amount of attention to the Macross Frontier stuff in Chronicle. Unless there has been, we can't say that's true either... the Vajra have undergone hundreds of thousands of years of guided evolution since the Protoculture encountered them... they could very well have copied some of those ideas from Zentradi mecha they encountered rather than vice-versa.

Under normal circumstances I'd ask what the basis for this unfounded assertion was, but since I can already prove that it's not true let's skip right ahead to the nice juicy fallacies. As shown on Macross Chronicle Macross Dynamite 7 character sheet Etc. 03A "The Galactic Whale Poaching Team/Crew", Kariba's crew includes at least one Zolan. Of course, even if he didn't have Zolans in his crew too, that would be no guarantee of his parentage without independent corroboration from dialogue or observable physical traits. In short, Kariba is most likely human not because his crew is mostly human, but rather because he lacks the distinguishing characteristics endemic to Zolans, Zentradi, and human hybrids. Okay, so pure speculation based loosely on a single line of dialogue about Kariba's father, assumptions based on god alone knows what, a faulty comparison to boot... it's a fallacy hat trick! Because Macross Dynamite 7 doesn't delve into the motivations of Kariba's father (or, in fact, depict him at all), we can't make any definitive statement about how his father viewed the space whales, so let's avoid projecting our own assumptions onto it please. The last thing we need is for someone to take those unfounded assumptions and run with them... we'd end up with a repeat of the Shaloom situation. Insofar as how most people view them, that seems to be rather a projection of your own views onto it again, as Kariba seems to be a pretty transparent Captain Ahab... right down to his white whale fixation. As for the Vajra, have you already forgotten that the U.N. Spacy kept the existence of the Vajra a secret ever since their first encounter with them in 2040? They wouldn't enjoy the support of the tree-hugging environmentalists because their very existence was kept secret, and let's face it... they're not above shooting back when someone starts giving them crap. A series of interdependent, unfounded assumptions. Another unfounded assumption. We have no way of knowing how the Protoculture regarded the space whales, if they even encountered them at all. Not necessarily an indication of common genetic tampering. It could be a simple case of convergent evolution. Note that the existing accounts don't mention the Protoculture dicking around with any of the local wildlife except those they were angling to make into sub-Protoculture species. So, of course, this asserted connection may very well be nothing of the sort. Considering that fold quartz was considered revolutionary in its ability to allow folding through fold faults, I don't think so. If the U.N. had such a valuable resource sitting right under their noses, they would've exploited it by now. It's certainly possible, though it seems somehow unlikely, since that would have to entail a full-blood Zentradi mating with a human-Zolan hybrid, and depending on when Zola was discovered that could potentially be problematic. We also have to remember that Michael's pointy ears are the result of mixing blood from one species that's got spock ears and one that's full blown space elf.

Oh well, ask a silly question... expect a silly answer.

By all means, stay away from the Macross II prequel games then... those borrow rather more heavily from Mobile Suit Gundam than that screen capture does, what with funnels-equipped VF-4s, big honking beam rifles, etc.

But... but... what is the hyperdrive leaking? ... ... ... Midichlorians? Well, the Protoculture Times is doing (or maybe has done by now) a special "anniversarycast", and of course RobotechX had some kind of announcement of the anniversary, but did nothing other than plug the Harmony Gold convention panels. Tho since RTX is basically RT.com Lite, I don't think it counts... particularly since it's run by the Harmony Gold thought police. That isn't new... that's a transforming version of Mospeada's AF-03 Combat. Huh... I'd never thought of it that way before, but I suppose you're right. In the story as in real life, the Robotech defenders can't get their act together and do the job they're being paid to do. One could even go farther and interpret the doomed-from-the-beginning nature of the Pioneer mission as eerily prophetic of the futility of their attempts to make sequels to keep the franchise alive.

Yes, but as hybrids go, his ears are still unusually pointy. Compare his ears, which come to a sharp, distinct point, with the ears of Mylene Jenius, which are distinctly and unmistakably elongated, yet are rounded at the tip. Our pirate captain has neither trait, with normal, rounded ears like every other confirmed pure-human character in Macross 7. There can be exceptions (though we haven't SEEN any), but we shouldn't rush to assume that a character is one of those exceptions unless we have good cause to.

More importantly, why are you asking him to supply your motivations for not waiting for his response? Well, there's no denying that Steve, Tommy, and Tom wrote themselves into a corner story-wise, but several of your assertions here are simply incorrect. In practical terms, this isn't quite true. Yes, any ship or fighter equipped with a shadow device and/or synchro cannon is essentially worse than useless in combat with the Haydonites. Since all Haydonite ships and fighters are equipped with their disruptor wave technology, any shadow technology-derived systems are almost guaranteed to suffer catastrophic failure. The basic, unmodified Alpha fighter (VF/A-6H, -6I, -6Z) has no such weakness, though its guided munitions (its primary weapon) are next to useless due to the shadow field active stealth systems on Haydonite mecha. So it's not the most accurate statement in the world to say that they're useless, since they can perform adequately once their shadow tech systems are disconnected. Also not quite true... the official description of the Ark Angel-class colony fortress in The Art of Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles (on pages 116 and 117 if anyone actually gives a shit) does say that it has the "armament and armor of a battlefortress", which in context means that, had it been completed, it would have been comparable to the incredibly pathetic battleships the REF was fielding during the 3rd Robotech War. The breakdown of the completed design does show an incomplete synchro cannon system built into the bow of the ship, and clusters of gun turrets and launch bays identical to those of the Ikazuchi-class heavy carrier from Mospeada. By my count, the Ark Angel-class colony fortress has 28 gun turrets and 16 quick-launch bays, the latter of which should afford it with at least 384 combat-ready Alpha fighters under optimal conditions. Since the ship was only partially complete when it was commandeered to serve as an escape vehicle, we don't know how many (if any) of these weapons systems were even installed, let alone armed, or if the ship's fighter complement had even been delivered. All that aside, contemplating how they intend to cram 750,000 people and upwards of 350 fighters, plus all the relevant supplies, into a ship that's only 2.14km long is best left to those who are completely divorced from reality. Insofar as fuel goes, General whatshisface (Reinhardt?) did say that the REF had enough fuel stockpiled to hold them over for around a year before they'd run out completely. Of course, with Tommy's batch of fuel retcons, they'll probably just switch back to nuclear fusion and call it a day. Not necessarily... they've already done a weak cop-out with the "Super Shadow Fighter", which will probably serve them in good stead as action figure fodder if nothing else. That may very well be all they intend to do in the way of having new mecha for the remainder of the so-called "Shadow Saga". That said, Yune's original designs (Gamma fighter, Silverback) are atrocious crimes against mechanical design and best forgotten in the reeking midden that is the expanded universe of Robotech.

No, they never really seem to get that far... the extent of their work in colonizing outer space seems to have been just plunking down a few military outposts in the outer solar system, and borrowing/renting a compound in downtown Tiresia after they chased the Invid regent's army out. Every planet they encountered that was capable of supporting life already had at least one sentient species squatting on it. Exactly what the initial rationale for this particular alteration to Mospeada's story was seems to have been lost to the ages ineptitude of Harmony Gold's staff. Either the REF expected that they'd use their magic protoculture to undo the damage after the planet was a barren wasteland, or they were working from a "better dead than enslaved" rationale and assuming that the Invid had done irreparable damage to the planet's biosphere. Not exactly an unfounded assumption either, since they changed the composition of the upper atmosphere to make it significantly more difficult for REF ships to make planetfall. Once Tommy stepped in, the rationale became a misguided belief that the neutron-s warheads were much less powerful than they actually were due to misinformation spread by the Haydonites. Assuming the REF did succeed in wiping out Earth and its millions of surviving inhabitants, that would leave only a few million humans left in the entire galaxy, almost all of them soldiers. The only survivors would've been the soldiers on Space Station Liberty, the outer solar system military bases, the military enclave in Tiresia on Tirol's surface, and the orbital drydocks where the REF fleet was retrofitted with shadow technology. Which is perhaps the most harebrained retcon of all... the "children of the shadow" remark was, in its original context, a direct implication that humans had been tainted by "the shadow of the Robotech Masters", presumably a general denunciation on the grounds that humanity would rather have destroyed their objective rather than let someone else have it... a more or less reasonable parallel to the defoliation of Optera by the Robotech Masters. As you yourself pointed out, it really was a case of finding a superficially plausible-sounding explanation for why the VF-4 didn't appear in the Masters Saga and/or New Generation. Tommy Yune tried to expound on this somewhat in the "From the Stars" comic miniseries, where the "complexity" rationale is played up considerably by having the YF-4 suffer from severe mechanical difficulties with its transformation process under combat conditions, which neatly sidesteps the need for Tommy to design a transformation and reasonable-looking battroid mode for Macross's non-transformable VF-X-4. At the same time, the early trials of the Alpha were introduced, albeit indistinctly, and explained somewhat in the extra portion of the collected volume. (The VF-X-6 Genia prototype is seen cruising past in one panel) I'd tell him to leave that sort of thing to the experts, but I don't really want to try to make sense of it either. So... par for the course then? Someone voices a rational complaint, McKeever tells them they're being unreasonable, and his moderator cheering section starts flinging feces like a bunch of amphetamine-fueled chimpanzees.

Birla/Bilrer/etc. seems to have a great deal of pull in the New U.N. Spacy already... owed no doubt to his status as the Frontier fleet's shadow sponsor and his connections to Howard Glass's chief of staff Leon Mishima, LAI's Luca Angeloni, and Grace O'Connor, who may or may not be directly connected to General Galaxy, who sponsored the Macross Galaxy fleet. Sufficed to say, if the VF-25 was developed from the YF-24 at the behest of the Frontier government, it would make a lot of sense for the Frontier government's New U.N. Spacy garrison to conduct the initial flight testing before handing it over to SMS for field testing. Considering the source of Macross Galaxy's funding, it seems somewhat unlikely that Macross Galaxy didn't have at least informal consent from General Galaxy to develop a new fighter based on the YF-24 Evolution. Entirely plausible, yes... having been discovered early in humanity's space exploration process would account for the rather extensive cultural contamination, what with Zolan adaptations of human drama like Romeo and Juliet, their apparent love of human music, and use of human-developed overtechnology. One has to wonder exactly when those Star Mirages in the Zola Patrol's arsenal were purchased... as they were introduced in the 2020s and mass production ended in 2029. The compendium article would seem to suggest that the VF-5000T-G was either a limited production unit or a conversion done after 2029. Doubtful, IMO... our examples of Human-Zentradi and Human-Zolan hybrids share one feature in common, that being they all have pointed ears. Michael Blanc, our sole example of a Human-Zentradi-Zolan hybrid has ears that come to a somewhat more severe point than those of a Human-Zentradi hybrid, possibly a legacy of the full-blown anime elf ears Zolans have. The poacher captain Kariba's character design has rounded ears, suggesting that he is in fact a full-blood human. Considering the way the man dresses, his two-tone mohawk is probably just an extension of his atrocious dress sense.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. By any rational assessment, Robotech's story doesn't have the human forces establishing anything that could honestly be called a "colony". True, the REF was supposed to scout for inhabitable worlds on their way to (and from) Tirol, but as we see in the Sentinels comics and Prelude, they never got around to it. Robotech's story has a few military installations scattered around the Sol system, including Moon Base ALuCE, Mars Base, Jupiter Base, and possibly Neptune Base (seen on the Gamma Fighter concept). Outside the Sol system, they have the purely-military Space Station Liberty and their military enclave in Tiresia City on Tirol. The closest Robotech has come to honest space colonization has been the civilian sector on the Robotech Factory Satellite in Earth orbit, and that's still a primarily military installation. Each and every attempt the Earth forces in Robotech have made at launching a colony mission has ended before it began with the ship(s) produced being repurposed for war: The destroyed SDF-2's replacement was retasked as warship and sent looking for the Robotech Masters, the unused Angel-class colony ships were repurposed as delivery systems for the neutron-s warheads, and the sole surviving Ark Angel-class colony ship was repurposed as the flagship of the anti-Haydonite war effort.

Not really, no... about the only comic that actually had character development or a vaguely coherent plot was Robotech II: the Sentinels, and that's the only one that's still even ambiguously canon. Most of the rest are so poorly written it's hard to feel anything for the characters other than mild antipathy or a vague sort of derision. A lot of the new characters created for the comics were the same shallow stocks you'd get in most any sci-fi story, as utterly interchangeable as the redshirts Star Trek made a habit of killing every episode.

Well, since we don't know exactly when the U.N. made first contact with the indigenous people of Zola the best we can do is guess based on what we know from Macross Dynamite 7. Even the content of the "Zomeo and Zoliet" radio drama isn't necessary a good indicator of whether a non-Zolan male could successfully mate with a Zolan female. After all, it may be a play on the central conflict in Romeo and Juliet, and the families of "Zomeo" and "Zoliet" simply don't approve of their children marrying a member of a newly-discovered alien species or something along those lines. We can't judge Zolans by typical marsupial standards either, since they are an alien species that evolved into a form similar to humans either via the meddling of the Protoculture or by convergent evolution. At the present time we don't have any hard evidence... though it seems a safe bet that the Zolans were probably modified by the Protoculture at some point in their history. After all, this isn't Robotech, where every alien race in the galaxy evolved into a humanoid shape and with DNA similar enough to produce viable offspring by pure coincidence. As Gubaba said, we should wait for Chronicle... but at the risk of sounding like a Magic 8 Ball: "Signs point to yes".

Now that's one hell of an understatement... saying Robotech's "expanded universe" stories lack coherency is rather like calling a town that's just been carpet-bombed "slightly untidy". In the past, I've seen several fans attempt to sort the old comics into continuities, and it rarely ends well. Usually, the poor sods involved argue for a few months before giving the whole thing up as a bad job. On the rare occasion that they actually produce results, the usual breakdown is around seven or eight more-or-less self-contained continuities and a bunch of individual stories classified as "stand-alone" only because they don't seem to actually fit with any of the other comics or the animated series. In short, the old Robotech comics are a mess... which is probably one of the first things Tommy Yune did as part of his continuity reboot was to declare the whole confused mess non-canon. On balance, I think the Robotech universe is better off without them. True, they sustained the franchise during the release doldrums of the 90s, but many of them were exactly what they look like... shameless attempts to wring a few more bucks out of the rose-tinted memories of the dwindling, loyal, nostalgia-blinded Robotech fanbase. As to the whereabouts and goings-on of Jonathan Wolfe... who cares? In the only stories that actually matter (the "original" Robotech TV series, Sentinels, Shadow Chronicles) the man is a first-class sleazebag. If memory serves, he was cheating on his wife with Minmei during the Pioneer mission, and his one great act was to betray the troops under his command to the enemy in exchange for continuing to appear heroic.

Eh... you might be reading a bit too much into this... And we have absolutely no idea if they were originally like that, if they were modified to be like that after the fleet had accidentally released the Protodeviln, or if they were built from scratch based on the existing design. What evidence we have suggests that latter... so unless we're counting the Protodeviln's legions as a planetary government I don't think that holds for the VF-14. Well, there's no doubt that the Zola Patrol's VF-19P was a custom VF-19 intended to meet their specific needs, even prior to it being outfitted with sound booster technology, but there's no indication that the VF-19F and VF-19S were exclusive to the 37th Colony Fleet. Additionally, we shouldn't count the Sound Force birds in this, since all but the VF-11D were unique one-off machines, and all were designed to fill a specific and extremely limited combat niche. We've covered the VF-19P already... repeating one instance will not make it count for two. Also, do you have some kind of proof that the VF-5000G and VF-5000T-G weren't produced by the U.N. Spacy for the aggressor and training purposes mentioned in its Compendium article? We cannot assume that these VF-5000 variants were locally-produced customized units. Yes, but remember that it was exclusive to the NUNS forces attached to the Macross Frontier colony fleet, and was the product of development carried out aboard the Frontier fleet. You're making an awful lot of assumptions here, many of which are unsound.

Bah... it's not like there's anything worth saying about that bizarre compulsion some die-hard Robotech fans suffer from that forces them to make asses of themselves in public by trying to "defend" Robotech by trolling Macross fans. They're sad, sorry little attention whores who desperately need to take a good hard look at what's really going on in the Robotech franchise. Usually once they realize they're defending a franchise that hasn't produced anything of any real value in 25 years of trying, and is run by a company that tells them nothing and insults them for asking questions, they wise up pretty quickly and feel very foolish. Some, of course, just act even more juvenile as the truth nags at them and makes them question whether they really enjoy Robotech as much as they're trying to convince themselves they do. Which, in practical terms, means that people are waiting for something that will probably never happen... Business as usual... Harmony Gold is stringing the fans along and trotting out a handful of increasingly expensive toys of rapidly deteriorating quality, all while mouthing the same tired lies and vague, empty promises of continuing the Robotech story at some undefined point in the future. Honestly, I think that's what Harmony Gold wants... they want a legion of militant fanboys who will blindly accept any low quality product they happen to produce, even at ludicrous prices, because they feel that they're the chosen... the elect... the true Robotech fans. In short, they want clueless cattle who can be milked for as much money as Harmony Gold things they can get away with on a year-to-year basis. Sooooooooo... you're getting up in arms over Tommy Yune deviating from the events of a story that was only ever ambiguously canon when it came out, and was non-canon for years before Tommy decided to do something else? I'm really not seeing just cause for ire here. Insofar as the old comics go, I think it's probably a good thing that the only one that's still even ambiguously canon is the Robotech II: the Sentinels comic by Jason and John Waltrip. Sure, it was a crummy low-quality book drawn by two men who had serious difficulties with staying on model, and nobody denies that the story was written so poorly it could've given the original Star Trek a run for its money in terms of sheer campyness... but it's still the best of the original Robotech comics and the only one that had a halfway decent run. Unlike the others, it also had a purpose, whereas the rest were just created to wring a few more precious dollars out of the almost completely forgotten Robotech name. All the rest of the crap, like the Malcontent Uprisings and all of Robotech's attempts to imitate other, far more popular shows, are best forgotten... relics of a bygone age when Harmony Gold didn't give a poo and actually allowed its licensees some degree of creative latitude.

While there are plenty of rumors to that effect circulating among the fans, I don't think there's ever been anything on that note coming from Harmony Gold itself. After the relative success of the Robotech TV series, Harmony Gold only tried one more rewrite (Megazone 23 Part I) before jumping into developing original animation using characters and set pieces from Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada... and the resulting quagmire is where they've been stuck ever since. Since Tommy seems dead-set on trying to make Robotech "his" show, I can't see him giving the go-ahead to rewrite an existing show... particularly not now that the first example of what he fondly believes is his genius is out there on the market and "going gangbusters", according to McKeever. Under the present circumstances, Robotech fans who "misappropriate" material from Macross and other mecha shows are usually doing so for one of three reasons: Ignorance of the distinction between Macross and Robotech. The desire to expand the Robotech universe in the absence of new official material from Harmony Gold. To troll Macross fans. It must be admitted that, among Robotech fans, people who simply don't understand the distinction between the original Macross and the westernized derivative version in Robotech are much more common than we're all comfortable with. At least part of it is Harmony Gold's repeated attempts to write off Macross as an inferior series whose sole redeeming factor was its use in Robotech, and that none of the rest of the franchise is even worth the trouble of investigating. Of course, the Robotech fans who take this to heart then get all confused when they see Macross shows that're infinitely better than Robotech (in short, any of them) and can't understand how it all fits together because, in their worldview, Macross = Robotech. During my six years on Robotech.com, it was business as usual to get one or two questions a month with some idiot asking how a Macross show he saw clips from over on YouTube (usually Macross Zero) fit with the rest of Robotech. They'd usually take the title and assume it was "Robotech Zero" and ask when it was coming out in the US, only to be told that it had nothing at all to do with Robotech and never would. Now, as you're all already well aware... the principal idiots responsible for misappropriating material from Macross and attempting to shoehorn it into Robotech are the guys who run Robotech RPGs. Fortunately, this particular brand of idiot is a rapidly dying breed, and the overall piss-poor quality of Palladium's new Robotech RPG has done nothing to reverse that trend. Back in the days when there hadn't been anything new on the Robotech radar since 1987, Robotech fans turned to adapting mecha from other shows into their RPGs to expand their games and add interest... a practice encouraged by Palladium and its RIFTS system, which put (mis)information about the mecha from Macross II: Lovers Again right at the fingertips of the Robotech gamers. The rest of Macross (up thru Macross 7) was simply pillaged because the fans think Robotech and Macross are interchangeable, and the mecha are similar enough to the ones they're familiar with in Robotech to be easily adapted to the game. They occasionally pillaged other shows, like Gundam, and L-Gaim, and Orguss, and Megazone 23... but Macross was most frequently victimized by this behavior because of its status as Robotech's "nearest neighbor". The trolls don't really bear speaking about, so I'll spare you my usual diatribe on that.

Eh... even if Harmony Gold did fall back on their original practice of rewriting existing shows as a means of expanding the Robotech universe, I don't think it would go over well. That might've been considered an acceptable practice back in the 1980s, but ever since the public decided it wanted the same viewing experience the original audience got the practice of rewriting and "Americanizing" shows has been considered almost insulting. Yes, Harmony Gold could import new shows and rebrand them as Robotech... but they'd get torn a new apeface for it by the viewers and the industry in general. Let's remember that ROBOTECHFANPLUS also admitted that he didn't actually mean any of what he was doing, and that he was just trolling for yuks.

Yeah, but it's still technically a harem comedy because he (almost) never makes a move on Belldandy and spends a fair portion of his time besieged by the other girls as well. The same formula was used in Rosario + Vampire, where the protagonist decides what girl he likes early on, but is too much of a wuss to actually say it because he's either afraid of hurting the feelings of the other girls or is afraid that they'll murder him and cannibalize his body. As far as harem comedy goes, he subversions of the usual tropes are much more fun than the shows that stick to normal harem formula. Ouran High School Host Club is about a cold, indifferent ordinary girl besieged by a small group of absurdly rich guys with no common sense... all of whom she thinks are batshit insane. There's also The Student Council's Discretion, wherein the poor main character is avidly pursuing a small group of utterly disinterested women who treat him like crap because he's a h-game addict and wants a "harem end".

Not sure why you're asking... the sarcasm was so thick on Gubaba's post that you could cut it into blocks. Personally, I didn't pay much any attention to the discussions about the quality of the show, since it seems a bit on the premature side to start making declarations about a show's quality when only a handful of episodes have been aired. Granted, as in ANY anime series there are some minor, temporary lapses in quality due to budget constraints or deadlines, and that's ok... it's an unavoidable part of doing a weekly animated TV series. The few brief moments of low quality are offset by the show's generally high standards for quality and some truly exemplary moments like the battles in episode 7, 24, and 25. To be perfectly honest, I didn't like Macross 7 at all and I went into Macross Frontier expecting it to be more of same. Instead, what I got was a genuinely enjoyable show that exceeded my expectations considerably in almost every area, and actually had me waiting eagerly for each new episode to come out... which anyone who knows me can tell you is practically unprecedented. I would've liked a bit more originality in the mecha designs, but other than that and the PMC malarkey, I have no complaints about the show.

Why'd you bother getting them if you're not sure about the quality? 'kay then... Good stuff... a real return to form after the weirdness of Macross 7 and the WTF factor of Macross Zero. The tone's somewhat lighter than that of the original Macross series, with a "school life" backdrop for much of the time not spent in combat. Overall, the show's story is solid, with good characterization for the characters who matter. While the story does borrow a fair bit from previous shows, it's done in enough new ways to keep things interesting. The music is up to Macross's usual exemplary standards, and it's just as well, because the two principal girls in the compulsory love triangle are both singers. The background characters are a mixed bag, with some genuinely interesting or hilarious ones that are well thought-out (Ozma, Bobby, Cathy), and a handful of cliched cardboard cutouts present only to draw a particular fetish demographic's attention (Nanase (big tits, shy girl, glasses), Luca (shotacon), and Klan (lolicon, giant girl, tsundere)). The mechanical designs are impressively well-rendered, though somewhat anachronistic as we seem to have come full circle and gone back to the VF-1 and the VF-4, just with VF-19 and VF-22-style transformations respectively. The few large-scale dogfights in the series are still well-choreographed and genuinely exciting, so even if the mecha don't 100% fit your tastes, they'll at least keep it interesting for you. The only part of the story that is genuinely obnoxious is that Macross seems to have jumped on the trend of "mercenaries are awesome", by turning the New U.N. Spacy into complete poo and having an elite mercenary unit with the latest VFs have to come and bail them out every time a fight starts. On the whole, Macross Frontier is an exemplary series (in my opinion) with a few minor flaws that do little to detract from the enjoyment of the show as a whole. Whether you come for the characters or the giant robots, you won't leave disappointed. I've seen it, but it's not really my thing, so I'll leave the biases-based hate for what is otherwise at least a reasonably well-executed series out and wait for someone who does enjoy that sort of thing to give you the lowdown on it. Haven't seen it. Haven't seen the whole thing yet, but the impression I got was that it was rather like a cross between Hellsing and Trigun, in terms of the protagonist's palpable malice and the runny-shooty gun antics. Impressive as a spectacle, if nothing else. If harem comedies are your thing, you've hit the motherlode. If not, prepare for the usual tedium about an insecure Japanese boy pointedly not becoming romantically involved with any of the the bevy of eager women who live at his house, despite a fervent crush on one of them. As usual, it's set in a fantastical background to offset the usual logical issue of having a legion of attractive young women falling madly in love with a guy who blends into the wallpaper, in this case, the protagonist accidentally phones the "goddess help line" and ends up with a literal deity living at his house because he wished for a girlfriend just like her. I found it obnoxious as hell, but then again I've always wondered at the sanity of harem comedy protagonists, who seem to be almost SAINTLY in their ability to ignore the incredibly buxom women who are throwing themselves at them on an hourly basis. (Now, if you want a subversion of the usual harem show tropes, you might want to try Ouran High School Host Club (Ōran Kōkō Hosuto Kurabu) or The Student Council's Discretion (Seitokai no Ichizon)).

Oh, trust me... they tried. On several occasions, the old comics attempted to take marginally interesting one-shot characters from Robotech's TV series and expand their stories in much the same way that Star Wars's expanded universe did to everyone who appeared in the original trilogy. Tommy Yune continued that fine absurd tradition by having Robotech: From the Stars yammer on about Roy's backstory and show the origins of Vince Grant, Jan Morris, and a bunch of other people that nobody with their head screwed on straight gives a toss about. Similarly, Robotech: Invasion delves into the backstory of Lancer with heavy-handed retcons, expanding the character of the girl who rescued him from his crashed fighter, and tacking on an arbitrary Jonathan Wolfe-esque betrayal story, while also packaging a story about the demise of Karl Riber as a mini-comic. If you boiled it down to the actual thought processes behind their choice to use those characters and expand on them, it ultimately comes out as "they have almost no backstory, therefore we can do whatever we want with them and it won't cock up the story of the TV series". "Dr. Lang" was made into a super-genius scientist who discovered (and instinctively understands) protoculture because he spends most of the show out of the spotlight and has no character development whatsoever. Similarly Jonathan Wolfe's backstory is simply "he was a bigshot at the REF that Scott looked up to, he came to Earth, and did some stuff, then betrayed his friends", leaving his REF days wide open for exploitation as part of the Robotech II: the Sentinels story. In Mospeada, he was something of a hero to the Mars Colony people after his exploits in the minor conflicts between colonies. In Robotech, he was a big hero in the Expeditionary Forces who Scott looked up to and idolized, so his "fall from grace" was all the more painful for Scott. And he think we care about his six ACTUAL "lessoners" why? He does the same to me... usually once every week or two he checks my profile here. Most of them are just too farting stupid to use Wikipedia... and the rest usually buy into Harmony Gold's stance that there's nothing worth looking into in Macross and assume that Robotech.com is the center of the Macross fandom as well.

Eh... are we talking about a pre-new trilogy Boba Fett here? I was. In all fairness... while Jonathan Wolfe was definitely a one-episode minor character in Robotech's "original 85", the writers of Robotech II: the Sentinels intended to make him a major supporting character in the series. It turned out to be childishly easy to tie his Sentinels activities into his established backstory. Boba Fett, on the other hand, was never intended to serve as a main character or major supporting character. Jonathan Wolfe's activities are still generally wasted space, but he does serve a purpose in Sentinels as one of Minmei's new love interests, and the deus ex machina who saves Dana Sterling and the other surviving Masters Saga characters from certain death between the Masters Saga and New Generation, presumably because Tommy can't bear to kill off a main character who isn't from the Macross Saga.

Which is why I made no mention of the novels... At present, the Robotech II: the Sentinels "movie" and the continuation comics published under Eternity/Malibu and Academy Comics are the only parts of the Sentinels story that are still at least pseudo-canon. Thanks to the painful unoriginality of Tommy Yune, who used the unfinished Robotech II: the Sentinels Book IV as a jumping off point for Robotech: Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles, the Waltrip bros. Sentinels comics are the only account of the whole Pioneer mission that can be considered even moderately reliable... as horrifying a prospect as that is for us to contemplate. Wow... that's... actually... a really good analogy. Just like Boba Fett in Star Wars, the Robotech's expanded universe garbage tried to make a one-shot character with half a dozen lines into a deep and interesting character by throwing him into constant contact with the core cast and trying to make him relevant to something other than the one actual event he participated in in the show. Admittedly, saying that the Robotech comics fart things up even worse than the series would be putting it mildly... the writers inevitably have to take a LOT of liberties with the existing story just to give themselves enough latitude to try and produce something that won't put the audience to sleep or turn out so campy the audience decides it's better off to use the book as lining for the bottom of a birdcage. Just look at Robotech: Invasion, where Tommy tried to expand on the backstory of Yellow Lance "Lancer" Belmont by tacking an arbitrary tragedy onto the existing story and setting him up as a one-man resistance against a nearby Invid hive and his insane former commander, and explain the evacuation of Mars Base prior to the first war by having it attacked by a rogue Zentradi ship captained by the world's most obvious copy of "Khyron".