Agent ONE

Well as soon as a torrent link dies, its unavailable. So I think you are SOL.

Well HUMANS write the makeup exam! As humans have really become what the Protoculture wanted to be all along, and were untill they were destroyed by their own creations. We administer that second test to the Zjentohlauedy and Meltohlauedy at the end of either SDF-M or DYRL and many of them fail the test, but as with this first test some pass and aren't killed. I disagree. Humans were tested, too, and a lot of them failed. At least in SDF M, it's possible that Earth's population might not have been decimated if the UN Spacy had entered into negotiations earlier. In DYRL, though, it doesn't look like we had a chance. (Based also on the PS2 game version, and the video from the beginning of the Macross DYRL game (Saturn/PS1). Yeah, and I think that is the story Kawamori is following closer. I know that the events of SDFM are canon but the feel of DYRL is certainly in Zero. I also didn't see the destruction of the planet as part of the test. When the test was run (the final battle) it didn't matter what happened before that. It was just the fact that humans were the ones to administer it. I mean the AFOS didn't get involved in any other war on Earth. They had no bearing on its mission. Its mission was to test humanity when it reached a point of space travel, not before.

My copy is in the mail... Can't wait!!!!!!!!

Well HUMANS write the makeup exam! As humans have really become what the Protoculture wanted to be all along, and were untill they were destroyed by their own creations. We administer that second test to the Zjentohlauedy and Meltohlauedy at the end of either SDF-M or DYRL and many of them fail the test, but as with this first test some pass and aren't killed.

Yep... I agree, there is nothing good about Europe, except the better food, the better cars, the better clothes, the better attitudes of women, the better focus on edcuation... Of course I think Socalists are worse than Nazis so I'm stayin.

Its how the Protoculture define "good" that counts.

I think it has to do with the classic, "show me one good person and I will spare them all." But still it doesn't fit right, cause it went to space after the Monster bomb it... I think it does... the AFOS wasn't automated... It required Sarah and her thoughts to function. If Sarah's thoughts weren't ones of killing and distruction, then humanity passed the test, period.

I dissagree... because she felt love, humanity passed the test. Think if the test were given to the Zjentohlauedy or Meltohlauedy. No way that would have happend, they would have failed hands down, and been destroyed. The purpose of the AFOS was to make sure that the Protoculture didn't create another race like the Zjentohlauedy/Meltohlauedy. The purpose of creating humanity was to have a "restart" of culture, as the protoculture ruined their own. Think of the AFOS as like a artifact or symbol that ancient cultures leave behind... Some are just to honor someone, but some are also a reminder of "what NOT to do." We write books about Hitler not to revere him, but to alert future generations of the horrible potential that one man can have. The AFOS just went a step furthur... Instead of teaching us a lesson, it administered a test. that test being a test of 2 questions... 1. Has mankind achieved space travel. if yes go to question #2. 2. Does mankind still wage war (keep in mind the definition of waging war, and having emotion was probably different to the Protoculture... As the wars they were accostomed to for thousands of years involved completely emotionless beings)? If yes destroy all. The second Sarah felt an emotion other than rage, the AFOS thought, "oh, I guess they aren't like my creators were, and they also aren't like the Zjentohlauedy or Meltohlauedy... I guess I should stop killing everything." I don't think so... The Protoculture probably would have imagined that their clone army would have killed each other off by then, but it would be out of character for the Protoculture have a beacon for their kill factory to follow to destroy their creation. The irony of the Protoculture is they were a race that was all about creating things... They just created to many things that killed other things.

Keith, if you ever wonder why you have no respect here, it may have to do with a feverish defense of something you haven't seen yet... Just a thought, and since its from me it is briliant.

Finally saw it. I just glanced through this thread, but have to go back through to read everyone's comments more carefully. I'll post a full review in the morning, but my initial feelings are that this episode was to par with the rest, and MZero as a whole was good. I think you guys are forgetting Kawamori's comment that this wouldn't follow the the SDF-M TV storyline. It didn't, it followed the line of reasoning that Misa and Hikaru were having in their discussion on Protoculture Island in DYRL. The AFOS was an organic security guard, left with people... humans who the Protoculture created, as said in DYRL. The purpose of the AFOS was to keep humans from making the same mistakes the Protoculture did with its galactic conquest and creation of clone armies, those being the Zjentohlauedy and the Meltohlauedy, as well as even the ever lame Protodevlin. The Protoculture came to Earth to "Start again." That is why they created human kind. I fully believe that the AFOS would have continued to distroy the entire planet, if Shin hadn't stoped Sarah from continuing to sing the song of death... As soon as the AFOS realized that she wasn't in battle anymore and she wasn't fighting the "Kadun" it just stoped.

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Thats on the list... I actually liked it. But I haven't seen since it came out. Maybe I'd feel different today if I saw it.

Unbreakable is just one of Shyalaman's BS stories inspired by comic books. After putting up with that and Signs, I'm not gonna fall for M. Night's inane storytelling anymore. Hey man. They entertain me.

As much as I hate to say it, you are right.

I think SC licks balls, but it was still WAY better than M7. The story didn't make me want to hurt people like M7 did.

Anyone care to do a non-spoiler review? Just say you liked it or not, or you could get more detailed. I am waiting to see it before I look at the spoiler thread. Should see it tomorow morning.

Wow, I thought it was terrible. It was 2 hours wasted in my opinion. Same underdog overcomming obstacles to save the day, kind of plot we have seen 100x before, just this time it was more annoying.

I quoted the retarted ones... Some others you listed were bad movies but they came from stupid comics so you can't really call the adaptation BAD. Examples of this would be Captain America, and Supergirl.

Strange... The designer obviously has seen Macross.

Yes... lord_breetai is obviously a genius. No way anyone can shoot any holes in those points of argument. lord_breetai for President!

Nah, not enough interest. And Yamato would never follow RT... It goes the other way around.

I want to see it, but my GF has nightmares for weeks after seeing stuff like that, so probably not.

DO NOT POST SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD!!! Use this one for spoilers: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=11498

For Keith and all others who like to read about what they are going to before they see it, I want this thread. I want to read reviews about MZero, but I DO NOT want to know what happens untill I see the episode!!!! I won't be returning to this thread until I have seen Ep. 5

I'll agree with that. It is refreshing when the hero is a simple grunt, like in Quake3, or how about Tommy Vercetti in Grand Theft Auto 3 and Vice City. He was just a nobody. Ok any character is those stupid GTA games is not a hero, not even anti-hero in my book, you play a villian a bad guy plain and simple from what I have seen, sorry no interest there. ... I guess it depends on how you define "hero." Just because he is a criminal doesn't make the game any less fun to play. And besides I think the GTA games tap human potential in a different way. I have always people are inherently evil, they force themselves to be good, as a result of preasure from society. Personally I love in GTA when someone is screwing with me... I just set them on fire and listen to them scream. I don't think killing in any other video game has ever been more fun.