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  1. 4 minutes ago, Ominae said:

    Hey folks.

    Been wondering if anyone has ideas on how to proceed with Alto since I wrote in my fic (as of now) that he's not joining SMS.

    Honestly, I could see a dedicated exploration of his relationship with that of his family. Mostly his father and that other man who is the adopted brother of Alto. Maybe, ending up with him end up becoming an actor in that one movie based on Macross Zero like what happens in the series itself but more of a central role. That kind of reignites his love of acting or something like that. That is the only real thing I can think of using Alto for if he never joins the SMS. You could also have him joining the regular NUNS Forces or something like that. 

  2. 1 minute ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    Nope, there were a bunch of rejected Ride Armor concepts that were used in the "UEEF Marines" sourcebook... but IIRC the so-called "Super Cyclone" you're thinking of was something they came up with for Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles (and all it really is is a regular VR-052 MOSPEADA painted black - because black is edgy, right? - with a bigger gun).

    Sorry. I screwed up there. I meant the original Super Cyclone the Devestator which for a long time was pretty much fanon was based on some concept lineart for the original series. Also I did not know those new Cyclones for the UEEF Marines book were actually concepts for Ride Armor. That does make some sort of sense. 

    5 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    Oh, the 126 person figure is for the coast guard cutter in question... I used the Heritage-class as an example, since it's approximately to scale with a Zentradi fleet picket in terms of the relative sizes of crew and ship.  Though, as noted, the picket would have less space for actual crew since it has to accommodate a hangar as well.  So in all likelihood, your headcanon's fairly close to the truth.


    Heh. I could see those ships being cramped for Zentradi similar to World War II submarines for humans just with a hangar. It would be quite amusing to see the reactions of their older Zentradi crews when the ships are refitted for human crews. I believe the old Legend of Megaroad fanfiction  says it best: "Love the extra leg room". 

    8 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    It's been called a lot of things... for the longest time people were calling it by the name Quiltra Quelamitz and asserting it's a monitor.  The ship is a gunboat, and doesn't have a class name.  Fanon's weird sometimes.

    Huh. You know I think it was mostly because the SDF-1 is orginally a Supervision Army Gun Destroyer and having that ship called a Zentradi Gunship would too close to that designation. Shrug. Just a guess. Also I agree. I still remember some Gundam fanon stuff. 

    12 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    Though I did recently notice something that'd been bugging me and sketchley.  The term "GNERL" that we couldn't source is actually from the show's very first episode.

    What? Where was that at? 

  3. 3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    Oh, yes... after they exhausted what little official setting material exists for Robotech, HG gave them permission to use the so-called "Imai Files" for what turned out to be the game's last book (of blatant filler) before the publisher's license was revoked.  It was an embarrassing desperation move and a hilariously poor-quality product even by the publisher's already-low standards.


    Huh. Did not know that. I remeber something about the Super Cyclone being something developed for the Mospeada series but never was shown, along with some of the new Invid mecha introduced in one of the more recent RP Books being similiar. 

    3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    Yup... if you get right down to it, in scale to its crew, the Zentradi fleet picket is about the same size as a typical US Coast Guard patrol cutter.  Those have a crew of 126, and didn't have to support aircraft.  The picket's got a big damn hangar at the back that's going to cut into the available space rather heavily.

    They scaled it back somewhat in RT2E, but at no point have they gone to the actual numbers in the OSM and noticed that the average Zentradi ship should only have a crew of about 1,500 men.

    Blink. I was guessing somewhere around 50 to 100 crew for the Picket, but that does make sense. I also recently started to believe that the Picket only had a small mecha complement and only of fighter pods. That said. That was only my head canon. 

    3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    There are no Monitors in the Zentradi forces... the ship you're thinking of is a gunboat. (中型砲艦) 

    The key distinction there is that a monitor is a ship designed for ship-to-ship combat that carries disproportionately large guns while a gunboat is a ship mounting a heavy gun that's made for surface bombardment.

    Opps. I do not know where I got Monitor then. Could have sworn it was called that. 

    Anyways thanks for the reply Seto. 

  4. 8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    In an unusual turn for the publisher, Palladium Books's "2nd Edition" Robotech RPG isn't atrociously inaccurate... in no small part because a lot of its information was shamelessly cribbed from Macross fan sites.  So much so, in fact, that they accidentally copied things that are unique to Macross's sequels and not at all present in Robotech like the UUM-7 micro-missile pod used by the VF-1 Valkyrie.

    Not to mention they used some of the pre-production sketches for both SDC Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospeada for some new units for Robotech. That is if I remember correctly.

    8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    That said, their stats for Zentradi ships tend towards the absurd because the writers of the RPGs seem to have no concept of the size of these ships relative to their crews.  They end up being given ridiculously massive crew sizes and mecha complements because the writers forget the individual crew members are 125x the size of a human being, making the ships 1/5 the relative size in every dimension if you're looking at them in human terms.  Relative to its crew, the largest regular Zentradi ship is only about 2/3 the size of the Macross relative to her miclone crew.

    The most amusing of those stats is for the Zentradi Picket Ship which claims it sports a crew higher then a hull like that can carry. Now if that ship was being crewed by regular sized humans then that would be a different story.

    27 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    The Macross is extremely heavily armed compared to other UN Forces warships of the period... but its armament isn't particularly impressive compared to the larger Zentradi warships unless you count it having thermonuclear reaction munitions and various add-ons like a barrier system that the Zentradi didn't.

    Do not forget the big gun! Since only the Zentradi Monitors had them, officially anyways.

  5. Honestly when I first watched Frontier I was not a fan of the Messiah visually, maybe because of the CGI and being in space, while I actually preferred the Nightmare Plus. It was only recently when I was rewatching Frontier that I started to like the Messiah more then I had in the past. Side note, I also right off the bat loved the Siegfried. Though that is visually not looking at the specs and what it has done during battle scenes.

  6. 1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    What @Master Dex said.

    Granted, we don't know what the budget for Bird Human was... but given that the film was set to be the debut of a beauty pageant winner who presumably had no acting experience to speak of, it was probably closer in budget and scope to a Japanese domestic market film than an American big-budget Hollywood film.  Tens, rather than hundreds, of millions of dollars for a budget.  The most expensive film produced in Japan at time of writing - the 2013 animated fantasy film Kaguya-hime no Monogatari - had a budget of $49.3 million (US).  Budgets in the single-digit millions (US) are more typical for a character-heavy drama.  The estimated budget for the 2006 Death Note movie was $20 million (US) thanks to the use of CGI for its shinigami, comparable to what was spent on the hilariously camp direct-to-video Starship Troopers 3: Marauder.  

    Purpose-building a handful of replica VF-0's and SV-51's similar to what was used on Uroboros for the dogfight scenes would probably have cost most, or all, of the film's budget... and hiring stunt pilots to fly them wouldn't have been cheap either.  They'd already blown a chunk of their budget licensing a Sheryl Nome song for the movie too... that can't have been cheap.

    It's not clear if Strategic Military Services was hired for the film, or were simply volunteering their services in the name of some cheap advertising.  I'm guessing it's the latter.  Having the military support filming a movie ain't cheap either.  Adjusted for inflation, having the US Navy's F-14's fly outside of their regular duties for filming cost the film's budget around $19,000 per hour just to get the F-14's in the air.  Having SMS volunteer the services of highly trained fighter pilots and using their VF-25's for motion capture for CGI VF-0's that the filmmakers would add in post-production would have been a huge savings to the budget.  Their only other options would've been to appeal to the Frontier NUNS or maybe Mihoshi Academy's flight school.  SMS had the advantage that their VF-25s are similarly sized to the VF-0, where the Frontier NUNS's VF-171s are a bit smaller and Mihoshi Academy's VF-1C Valkyries are a LOT smaller. 

    (In the Macross Frontier short story Actors Sky, the Bird Human movie's lead actor Akira Kamishima had to do some training in a VF-1C in preparation for reshoots because the film's director was unsatisfied with his performance in the cockpit shots... that probably would've cost a fair sum too.)

    Interesting. Figured a movie set in the future would have a bit more ease of time and money to shoot such a movie like Bird Human (thank you forgot the name for it). Still I can see where you are coming from.

    On an aside. I did not know that Mihoshi Academy had their own Valkyries. I know they had the one display model on top of the school but I did not know they had ones that could be flown. Learn something new.

  7. 8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    Well, it started life as a VF-0... what it was rebuilt into really belongs more in the same category as the SV-52 орел.  

    "A customized Valkyrie of unknown origin produced to imitate the VF-0".  

    Well, except that we know exactly what its origins are... the above remark is, save for the "VF-0" part, how the SV-52 орел is described since it's indicated to have a lot of VF-17 hardware under the hood despite allegedly starting its life as a SV-51.  Katori Brown-Robins did some interesting things to that VF-0 airframe.  The end result was more "a YF-25 thinly disguised as a VF-0" than anything.

    Huh. If they could do that I wonder why the SMS crew didn't mock up a VF-0 for the Movie during Frontier?

  8. Jeez, Guys. You have been blowing up my inbox over the past two days with notices of new replies. Shakes head.

    5 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    Yeah, gaming is a lot easier when you're a kid and you don't have all those responsibilities... long gone are the days when I could organize weekly sessions.

    4 hours ago, sketchley said:

    There's always play-by-post.  It's nowhere near as fast as in-person, but scheduling a session is no longer a problem.

    That said, those responsibilities rear their ugly heads even in PBP RPGing...

    Still, like to mention something in this discussion about Macross Tabletop Role-Playing Games. Back when I was young and dumb I ran several PBP RPs, or as I called them at the time Novel Type RPs, using a website called Rpol.net which has some neat tools and such for Roleplaying. Figured I mention it.


  9. Nice to have you rick.vale. Glad to see another Macross fan from Sin City.

    7 hours ago, rick.vale said:

    Carl Macek made me a Macross fan too.

    Ah. Robotech. You have to love it and hate it. I love it that it brought me into the world of mecha anime in general but I kind of hate it for other different things.

  10. Just now, dna said:

    Was Delta actually received well enough to make 2 followup movies? Because this surprises me.

    Errr... I am not the best person to answer this, but since we already got the first movie which has been out for a couple years and another supposed to be releasing sometime this year or next then I think that it is a given.

  11. 11 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    Or, hell, let's go towards the realistic and have the PMC be the bad guys... or maybe an underequipped PMC can save the day, like in Terrestrial Defense Enterprise Dai-Guard.

    Huh. That would quite interesting actually. Though maybe not anytime soon I think we have gotten enough of PMCs in Macross for a bit.

    8 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

    On another note entirely, I found a pic (or so I thought) some time ago amongst the online series productionl sketches of the bridge internals for the SDF-1 (google searches for sdf-1 bridge sketches, black and white). From what I recall, it showed a pic of the bridge from the inside, showing the layers of the bridge tower, but from the back facing forward. The thing I recall was that in the sketch, there was a battle pod (or some other Zentraedi mech, not sure) attacking the bridge bubble, and it had cracked it with laser fire. It showed the crew in panic and shock, and Captain Gloval high-tailing it, running as fast as he could for the exit!

    (needless to say, the sketch was apparently done as a joke I think!)

    Has anyone else run across this or ever seen/ heard of it? Or...is dementia setting in on my part?


    6 hours ago, sketchley said:

    This is Animation The Select #11 Macross DYRL Pg 76.

    It's a Super VF-1 "accidentally" bumping into the forward glass.

    I think I saw that somewhere but I don't remember where I did find it. I just remember Global booking it out of the bridge.

  12. 4 hours ago, kajnrig said:

    IIRC, the original pitch for Delta was two competing civilian flight demonstration/idol groups, which I would have vastly preferred to what we got. The VF-31 and SV-262 could even still feature as the two sides in a neighboring war that the main story gets dragged into or something. But have the demo teams flying non-VFs or civilian VF-1s/-4s or even VF-9s, that definitely looks the most "trainer"-y of the various VF designs.

    Bah. Anyway.

    Yup. I would love to see a version of that done in the future. Or maybe something about the Jenius Air Circus which would by this time be under the control of another Jenius daughter instead of Max or Milia.

    Another couple ideas I would like to see are either a story focusing on the elusive VF-24 and the Federal NUNS Forces, or go down a slightly different civilian path in something similar to Hayate's job at the beginning of Delta but done with a VF which extends to protection of the transport from pirates or terrorists. Shrug.

  13. 17 hours ago, aurance said:

    I hope in the next series, they’ll switch to a new lineage of fighters. I love the entire YF-24 derivative line but it might be time for something new as the hero fighter.

    9 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

    If I had my way, I'd like to see them go backwards a bit and give us a story where the main VF is from one of the neglected generations... like the largely skipped 2nd Generation, the 3rd that was mostly only around as cannon fodder in Plus and 7, or the 4th when the VF-171 was actually new.

    I would like to see them doing something with civilian-owned Valkyries similar to say Macross The Ride or Kawamori's original pitch for Macross Delta were we can see modified and modernized versions of older fighters in more civilian roles. Like the Vanquish Races or flight demonstrations. 

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