Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread! in Movies and TV Series Posted May 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: Somehow, that one never made it into the final cut of the movie. Yeah I know. Still though it would have been an interesting change I think. 32 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: Yup, they're reskins of the same CG model... and the turret is visibly present and accounted for (see 7:27 in Macross Frontier ep7). The turret isn't exposed in Shuttle mode, you can only see it clearly in the other two modes. Hmm... Now that you mentioned it yeah they are still there. Huh. They never use them at all. 33 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: IINM, the last we really see or hear of the Dulfim is at around 6:48 in Macross Frontier Ep8... where she's shown to be alongside one of the Macross Frontier's Island-class environment ships. It's mentioned that the Dulfim's crew had been interviewed about the fate of the Macross Galaxy but that they didn't really know anything useful, and that they were currently quarantined and awaiting medical examination due to the risk of V-type infection. They just kind of drop off the face of the story after that, except in the movie version where those ships and the refugee ships they escorted carried the cyborgs who hijacked Battle Frontier. It's been a good while since I last reviewed the novelization and I'm well overdue for a reread, but I don't recall anything specific being mentioned about the fate of the ship or her crew. Still it is a shame. It would have been interesting to see it appearing like at the final battle or before then. 34 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: They're the ones on either side of the cockpit. Sorry. I meant capable of being swapped. I am aware of those guns. 35 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: Well, almost all of them... there's an eccentricity in the Macross Frontier movie materials that list a different model of coaxial gun on the VF-25's monitor turret (head) that's a laser weapon instead of a beam weapon. Laser weaponry is exactly what the name indicates: they produce an extremely intense, tightly focused beam of light that damages the target by heating the target's surface until the target's surface burns, melts, or evaporates. They're very limited weapons in terms of stopping power and top out below the other types of energy weapon in Macross, but they're an extremely precise class of weapon because they fire a tightly focused light beam at, well, the speed of light. Laser weapons can also be made extremely compact, which is a virtue for something with an internal structure as complicated as a VF's or as cramped as a battle pod or battle suit. Beam weaponry, on the other hand, is an umbrella term that refers to two different types of directed energy weapon: particle beam weaponry and dimensional beam weaponry. Particle beam weapons are weaponized miniature particle accelerators. They use electromagnetic fields and electrostatic lenses to focus and accelerate subatomic or atomic particles to relativistic velocities (significant fractions of the speed of light) so that the immense transfer of kinetic energy causes the target's surface to superheat almost instantaneously and a deeper hit might see the beam's charge cause secondary damage to onboard electronics. The Zentradi make widespread use of electron particle beam weapons as the main weapon of the Regult series battle pod. Macross publications usually aren't specific about what type of particle beam weaponry humanity favors. Starting in Macross Frontier, the generic term "beam gun" or "beam cannon" started to be applied to dimensional beam weapons too. These are the exotic energy weapons that are built on the same technology as the Macross's main gun. They produce a type of ultra-heavy exotic particle called heavy quantum that exists simultaneously in realspace and in fold space, and when they've got enough of it they use fold waves to cause all of its mass to drop into realspace. This causes the heavy quantum to collapse in on itself due to the heavy quantum's intense gravity, until it ignites in a fusion reaction. The ensuing explosion triggered by the fusing heavy quantum is corralled using any of several technologies to make a highly destructive beam of fast-moving fusion plasma. This technology is sometimes called a converging energy cannon, super dimension energy cannon, or more recently a heavy quantum reaction beam cannon. This technology was mostly confined to ship-based gun turrets and the larger "main gun" type systems, but miniaturized versions began showing up on VFs starting with the VF-19 and VF-22. (I privately suspect the unspecified "impact cannon" technology the Zentradi have is also a miniaturized dimensional beam weapon.) Where the line has started to blur has mainly been in warship stats... abbreviating "converging beam cannon" down to just "beam cannon". When a VF is equipped with dimensional beam weapons, they're usually specifically called out as such instead of being referred to by generic terms. (Macross Delta publications have been a bit hit-or-miss in that regard.) Interesting. Still I wonder why the NUNS started dropping Laser Monitor Turrets for small Beam Guns. 36 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: They did, in the gaiden manga Macross Delta Gaiden: Macross E. The Xaos PMC branch on Pipure uses VF-171EX Nightmare Plus EX units... albeit without the MDE beam weaponry and other anti-Vajra add-ons. I am aware of that darn pink-painted thing, I meant in the series itself. Would have been interesting. Though I wonder is that Radome Dish an optional equipment for the VF-171EX or is it a modification?