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On 5/9/2020 at 7:54 PM, jvmacross said:

Thanks for posting the link...I finally took the time to watch the Macross Delta movie.  I liked the TV series better but that isn't saying much as I thought it was the weakest series in the franchise... 

You are quite welcome! Honestly the only things I actually liked about the Movie was that Hayate was already a member of Xaos, that there is more then one Macross Elysion, and finally the duel between the two remaining ships at the final battle. The rest of the movie is okay but I much prefer the series itself.

Hello,

I noticed that we did not have a thread out for Phoenix Fan Fusion this year. I know it is not normally a big Macross event but it does have some bits and pieces for those interested on going. I remember finding some of the background material for Macross in the Vendor Hall at this convention a couple years ago. As for events and such for Macross I do not remember anything happening for that though I do seem to remember one year we had one of the VAs for the ADV Dub of SDF Macross. 

Anyways. I hope to see you there!

Damn. Should have seen this thread years ago. I have been living in Northwest Vegas for the past seven years. Sigh. I was at LVL Up Expo this last year and briefly at another convention around my first year here though I don't remember which one that was. Anyways. I also planning on going to Phoenix Fan Fusion this years in September.

Just now, Seto Kaiba said:

Sorry, I got my upgrades backwards... the IIIF had the VF-19 engines but not the EX-Gear.

What!? Are you sure? Because Macross Mecha Manual has the Nightmare Plus EX as having FF-2550F engines? 

31 minutes ago, JB0 said:

Right. Williams' Joust.

Blink. Huh. Okay, never even heard of this before. Still I agree with your earlier comment. Damn shame we did not get a chance to see actual Aerial Knights on their steads jousting and such. That would have been freaking awesome. 

45 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Yes, all of the Windermerean VF pilots are Aerial Knights.

The Aerial Knights are the planet Windermere IV's aerospace force, and the "knights" part isn't fanciful... they're an actual order of royal knights in service to the King of the Kingdom of the Wind.  Organizationally, they're a continuance of the pre-contact knights who fought siege battles from the backs of giant birds.  They've just traded the birds for something a bit more modern thanks to the introduction of human overtechnology following Megaroad-04 landing on their planet in 2027.  They graduated from airborne cavalry to an aerospace force.  As seen in Macross Delta Gaiden: the White Knight of the Black WIng, the introduction of modern technology hasn't changed their traditions or chivalric mindset much.  Their ranks seem to contain a lot of highborn folk, the sons of nobles, religious officials, and wealthy merchants.  Qasim's the only one of Keith's squadron who is lowborn, the son of an apple farmer who joined up as an adult instead of joining as a child.  Their top ace still bears the title White Knight of Darwent, with two of the last three encumbents being members of the royal family.

Keith's squadron seems to be the most elite squadron in the Aerial Knights.

 

Huh. I kind of expected that. Though I did have a bit of head canon, which I used in my fanfiction story Knight of Xaos, that had the Aerial Knights riding the larger version of those weird dragon-bird things we saw in that one flashback episode before humanity found them. Still thanks Seto for confirming my head canon is partly correct! As a Code Geass fan and a former performer at a Renaissance Festival this actually makes me like the Aerial Knights even more. 

3 hours ago, sketchley said:

Here's the Macross Chronicle article about the movie version: http://sdfyodogawa.mywebcommunity.org/MCRmechanic/TFnuns02aVF-171Destroids.php

Huh. The Bloc-IIIF huh. It says it does not have the EX-Gear in it but I could have sworn it did have it. It just did not have the more powerful engines I thought. 

51 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Yeah, we've seen three distinct versions of the VF-171 (four if you count Master File's take on certain Frontier content).

The VF-171 Block II that is the standard model we see for most of Frontier and Delta, the Block III from the movies that was updated with EX-Gear and MDE weapons but not much else, and the more extreme VF-171EX that got new engines, airframe design changes, and other major upgrades.

OH. It does have EX-Gear then. Though I wonder there was one Nightmare Plus variant that was described somewhere as a sweet fighter to fly or something to that effect. 

33 minutes ago, JB0 said:

Waitwaitwait... so they had a real-life version of Williams' Joust going on and then the Megaroad 4 ruined it?
I am so very disappointed. I want to see an anime of the Windemerian knights Jousting pre-contact now.

And it was not just your typical old Joust we know from Medieval times they are actually flying in the freaking air! 

2 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Well, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that one or more of the undisclosed technological advancements in the YF-24 Evolution was something along those lines... but we can't say that the VF-24's superior performance isn't simply due to more advanced conventional technologies and a better-designed ISC.

True that.

2 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Even I occasionally get details mixed up if I don't have my notes on hand.  

That's one of the reasons I'm taking advantage of this work-from-home situation to get back to work on my website project.  It's an opportunity to organize and systemize my notes and get 'em up for the world to view at their leisure.

That would be great. I love Macross Mecha Manuel but it does not have the majority of this stuff therefore I would love to see a site that has some of your notes and such.

3 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The YF-24 program was kicked off shortly after the New UN Government's first contact with the Vajra in 2040.

Whatever the incident entailed, it was enough of a shock for the New UN Government to conclude that even its latest main VFs were probably not up to the task of combating the Vajra and launch development of the next generation of variable fighters with a goal of being able to successfully oppose the Vajra if there should be a hostile confrontation.

Huh. That does make some sense.

3 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The Brisingr Alliance's next-generation main fighter program started with Uroboros's YF-30 Chronos, which was a derivative of the YF-24 Evolution and YF-29.  They economized the hell out of it, to the point that it's down to around the VF-25's level and could reasonably be mass produced.

I'm aware. I meant I thought that the YF/VF-28 would be the fighter of a far-off colony world or fleet that was based on the YF-24 Evolution in some later media or background data for Macross, but now I know that I kind of got it wrong and had those two switched. The YF-23 and YF-28 I mean.

3 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Yeah, they're not using fold boosters when they attack Al Shahal in Macross Delta's first episode.

The fold effect we see them emerge from is the distinctive one that's used for the ancient Protoculture ship Sigur Berrentzs, so presumably that ship is creating the space fold they're using to get around... possibly an extension of its ability to connect to and regulate the fold network in the ruins throughout the Brisingr cluster.

Huh. Now that is quite interesting I was actually guessing something like that was happening after rewatching the bit of the series with Delta Flight and Walkure's infiltration of Windermere IV. Nice to see it verified.

4 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Yeah, the Aerial Knights standard model used by Hermann, Bogue, Qasim, and the twins is the Sv-262Ba while Keith, as leader, has the Sv-262Hs.

This arrangement is likely something they inherited from the New UN Forces in the ~33 years they were a New UN Government member world.  One of those trends that comes and goes in VF design is whether or not to have a specific "command variant" with enhanced communication capabilities for squadron leaders or platoon leaders.  The members of a unit other than the commander wouldn't need the extra capabilities, so it wouldn't make sense to have an entire unit made up of just command variants if it meant depriving other units of the additional communications/coordination ability.

On the Sv-262, the actual difference in performance between the regular and command variant isn't very large.  There's a 5% better output from the fold reheat and some additional weaponry in the form of a pair of lasers, but other than that they're largely identical aircraft.

Shakes head. I always thought the Aerial Knights were using a supped of version of the regular Draken-III till I noticed that the Aerial Knight's Draken-IIIs had the same heads of the regular Draken III used by the unnamed regular Windermere pilots during my latest rewatch of the series. Speaking of which. I found something interesting in some bits about the Delta Scramble game that has pretty much all of the Windermere Pilots are actually Aerial Knights. Keith's Aerial Knight Squadron is just an elite formation of Aerial Knights that are sworn to service of the Windermere Royal Family or something like that. Is that true?

Also, sorry Seto another quick question. I recall from my previous look through of both this thread and Mecha Talk's Valkyrie Thread about a VF-171 Bloc-III Variant that is actually the Nightmare Plus we see in the Frontier Movies. It is a bit different from that of the VF-171EX from the series. Just wondering if I actually remember it correctly and if you have any further information on it?

7 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Oh, it's absolutely possible to use fold quartz to boost a thermonuclear reaction turbine engine's performance.

The first instance of this that was depicted was the YF-29's Fold Wave System in Macross Frontier: the Wings of Goodbye, which enabled the fighter to draw energy out of fold space to supplement its reactor output.  The YF-30 Chronos has an improved version of this technology called the Fold Dimensional Resonance System.  The VF-31 custom Siegfrieds inherited the YF-29's Fold Wave System, albeit apparently with reduced application of fold quartz and seemingly a less extreme performance boost.  These two systems improve more than just the engine output though, they also provide additional power to run things like energy conversion armor and pinpoint barriers in fighter mode.

The Sv-262 Draken III is, as far as we know, the first production aircraft to include a fold wave performance-enhancement.  Its Fold Reheat is a different, more focused application that exclusively improves engine output... but provides up to twice the percentage improvement in engine performance provided by the Xaos custom VF-31's Fold Wave System (25-30% instead of 15%).  The Fold Reheat is present on both variants of the Draken III, though the Sv-262Hs command specification offers 5% more improvement in output vs. the version on the standard Ba model.

Huh. I knew about those systems since like mentioned I have been following this thread, read a few bits of sketchley's website, and have read your Valkyrie Thread on Mechatalk a couple times. What I did not know or most likely remember being mentioned were those systems using fold quartz to do all that. So it would it would safe to say that the VF-24 would have similar yet vastly superior system. My head canon is somewhat correct in this. Nice to know.

11 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Actually, it's one of the longest development cycles in Macross... it took something like 15 years to mature and miniaturize the technology from the start of the YF-24 program in 2040 to the rollout of the Evolution prototype in 2055.  It's a pretty impressive jump, all told.  From 2G for 5 seconds to 27.5G for 120 seconds.

Groan. I really need to start taking notes of all of these little tidbits of information I find. I thought the first YF-24 was tested a few years before the second YF-24 in the early 2050s maybe very late 2040s. Wait. Project Super Nova was around 2040. Why did they have a YF-24 Program when they were already testing two brand-new fighters?

15 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Thus far, there hasn't been any mention of a YF-23.

There is a mention of a possible YF-28 in Macross the Ride in connection with the YF-29 development data Macross Galaxy illicitly obtained from the Macross Frontier fleet via LAI... though ultimately the data was used in the completion of the VF-27.

Huh. I had them switched then. I had guessed that some far-off Colony Fleet or Colony like the far-flung Brisingr Alliance had received the Evolution specs and started to develop their own fighter based on them. Instead it is linked to the development of the YF-29 instead. Shrug. Oh well.

22 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Draken III

You know I have a couple questions about this fighter if you all don't mind answering. First of all, I do not recall them having Fold Boosters equipped when the Aerial Knights did their earlier interventions against Walkure during the early episodes of the series. Therefore, how were they able to fold in and fold out of these battles without an equipped booster? Or did they actually have a booster and I do not notice them when watching those particular episodes. I know that later during the mid-point of the series they started to be carried through Fold Space by a carrier as the war against NUNS began, outside of the Intercept Mission against the NUNS Fleet after Heinz's coronation anyways.

Second, we know that Keith Aero Windermere piloted the Sv-262Hs variant of the fighter. The rest of the Aerial Knights are piloting the standard Sv-262Ba correct? I would think they would pilot the same fighter as Keith. Since the rest of the Windermere's pilots use the standard Draken III as well and the Aerial Knights are the elite of those pilots therefore should reflect that by piloting a better fighter.

Anyways. Thanks Seto for all of this interesting info. It is appreciated.

6 hours ago, sketchley said:

I haven't read anything about the VF-24 using fold quartz in other places outside of the ISC.  The main limit on manoeuvrability for the Valkyries in the preceding generations was  the G resistance of the pilot's body.

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

As far as we know, that doesn't appear to be the case.

Shrug. Just a pet theory I had since I did remember reading something about fold quartz being used elsewhere on a Valkyrie. I didn't remember what it was exactly till it was mentioned earlier in this thread about the fold quartz in the gunpod of the VF-27. Then I was like maybe I did actually read that somewhere either earlier in this thread or on Seito's Valkyrie Thread on Mechatalk. Still I wouldn't be surprised if say fold quartz was used in the VF-24's engines to further enhance them or like the Lucifer having it in their weapons. Again just a pet theory/head canon I had really.

Still though. I am actually curious on how they went from a large ISC from the earlier YF-24 prototype till the second YF-24 prototype which had a smaller ISC that was quite superior all within what a few years if I remember correctly.

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

VF-25, YF-26, VF-27, YF-29, YF-30, VF-31

You know I never even noticed but we are missing the YF/VF-28. I know that the YF-26 was Macross Olympia's failed entry to Project Triangler and I know that there is a YF-23 mentioned somewhere if I remembers Seito's earlier Generation Chart correctly but I don't think we have clue about a -28 model Valkyrie just yet. Maybe another colony or colony fleet out there created their own derivative of the YF-24 Evolution sometime during or slightly after Triangler. Hmmm... an interesting thought.

6 hours ago, sketchley said:

There appears to be fold quartz in the widened tip of the VF-27's beam gun pod.

What effect that has on anything is unclear (used in enhancing the discharge?  extra capacitor space for charging the beam grenade?  involved with producing/manipulating heavy quantum?), but it may be why the barrel is so long.

Did not know that. Though I am not all that surprised since a pet theory I have is that the major reason for the non-watered down version of the VF-24 to be superior over that of the Messiah and the other related fighters is that it uses Fold Quartz in other places on the fighter outside of the ISC.

35 minutes ago, Gerli said:

Yeah... Red Light... sorry, because English is not my main language sometimes I write things the wrong way

That's fine. I am just kind of surprised that the Macross actually has such a place onboard. Though I really should not be all that surprised. I seem to remember another Macross Fanfiction that, or was that a Robotech one, that had the characters surprised that the Macross and Macross City actually managed to get a /cough/ Gentleman's Club /cough/. Do not remember the title but I was actually like why am I not surprised.

1 hour ago, Gerli said:

I'm writing short stories around the existence of a Red District in Macross City as seen on Episode 8 of the TV series... just for fun.

Blink. Do you mean Red Light District? I did not know that there was one on the Macross?

On 5/7/2020 at 12:43 PM, Focslain said:

There is a channel that has ALL of macross on it and subbed in english. Just do a search and you'll find it. 

Using it right now to make my way thru 7

Here is the link to the mentioned Channel. Though be warned some of the series are missing some episodes, for example, Delta is missing Episodes Five and Fifteen.

7 hours ago, AN/ALQ128 said:

Nice! Thanks, very much appreciated. I gotta try and get my hands on a Macross artbook one of these days.

5 hours ago, aurance said:

Oh wow, super cool.

You two are quite welcome. I shall see about adding a bit more photos of the book when I have the time to do so so check back on that album. As for Artbooks I got lucky with this one for I found it at my local convention, LVL UP Expo. I really do not want to buy any of the other books from the internet due to the large shipping fees on them therefore I may just keep an eye out for anymore when I am at Phoenix Comicon in September.

19 minutes ago, AN/ALQ128 said:

Would you mind taking a pic or three? Seeing all the pre-production design sketches is half the fun of mecha shows for me.

Sure. Let's see. Okay let's try it this way.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/pBRBdMjzP7EENT3b8

Not much just did a handful of shots with my phone. I am not all that great with my phone's camera so please excuse the blurriness or shaky images. Tried my best. Still will try to add some more images later when I am rested. I had forgotten about the White Draken-III images and a couple other interesting bits.

So apparently I made an account on this website way back when but never did anything with it. Since I have recently started to get back into Macross I came back to this site to chase down some info for a Macross fanfiction I had been in the process of writing. Now that I am here I figured I post the links to my two Macross stories here so I could perhaps get more readers for them. First of all the two of them are part of the same series but focus on different set of characters with both crossover with the 2003 version of the Battlestar Galactica TV Show. Meeting Along The Stars focus on the crew from Macross Frontier two years after the end of the series as a new enemy makes itself known threatening their new home. While Journey Along The Stars focus on the Galactica and its fleet running into a stranded and heavily damaged Megaroad Colony Fleet while the Cylons start to close in on them both. So if you are interested go take a look at them they are both on FFN and Spacebattles.

Meeting Along The Stars at FFN and Spacebattles.
Journey Along The Stars at FFN and Spacebattles
Both stories are up on Sufficient Velocity as well if you are interested in reading there. A part of both stories are also up on AO3 but not as much as FFN and Spacebattles version currently have right now since there was no real feedback coming from that site for me.

I also have a short work in progress piece I had been doing on the side while I was working on while I was in the middle of working on both Meeting and Journey thanks to my National Novel Writing Month project. This one is a Macross Delta story that I call Knight of Xaos were a slightly different Windermere sports a rich nobility class underneath the King which Freja is from and her father assigns her a guard to accompany her to join Walkure were that guard becomes a member of Delta Flight as its Fifth Member.

Knight of Xaos at Spacebattles

Currently I also have a couple ideas swishing around in my head for those willing to listen to what I have right now. Just let me know if you are interested in hearing them. I am also in the process of getting back into Journey which is going to receive a very small rewrite before I really get into writing the next chapter out. I am also looking to maybe further expanding on Knight of Xaos a bit.

Okay. That is about it. I hope I drew in some more readers for my stories and if not well I still hope I managed something positive. Thank you.

I managed to pick up Macross Variable Fighter Designers Note up at LevelUp Expo in Vegas a few months ago. It has some very nice lineart images for stuff like the Svard and the final episode White Painted Draken III.

On 4/30/2020 at 8:48 PM, Sandman said:

Is there still no news about this? I swear it’s been months since I’ve checked this forum.

Hmm... I wouldn't be surprised if COVID-19 is the reason why we haven't really heard anything about the movie yet.