Ranger565 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 (edited) Hey everyone, Here is the 1/72 scale Lockheed ATM-01 Rapier Missle that I have been working on. This was first discussed in the topic found here: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=12711 And now it has become somewhat a Reality. I worked on this for about 5 hours and was able to sculp a first draft to the Rapier found on both Spartin and Tamahawk destroids. The Spartin Rapier The Tomahawk Rapier Close up of the finished Missle Well If things go right I will work on the 1/100 scale tomorrow. Jessee said that he could Cast this in Resin. I dont see how hard it could be. If this tends to work out. I will start to create other Class of missles. I will also create Missle mounts for the Spartin. IF you want to use them on a 1/72 scale Tomhawk you can just drill holes. I will show pictures of the mounts and a few Tips to modifing the kits when I have the racks complete for the Spartin shoulders. NOTE: the Spoiler fins,on the back of the missle, are not needed you wont see them at all. Well let me know what you think. Ranger565 Edited January 11, 2005 by Ranger565 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007-vf1 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Those look nice. They also seem to be adequate for a 1/72 vf- armored battroid conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger565 Posted January 11, 2005 Author Share Posted January 11, 2005 actually the GPB Missle is quite different, That maybe one I work on next, if this is recgonized by the community as something they care to want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 man, those look cool... now just imagine a swarm of 'em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myersjessee Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 How hard would it be to sculpt more then one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger565 Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 not to bad, how many you need? most of the time I spent on this was to Figure out how to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myersjessee Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Well...if I cast only one Ill have to make at least 6 or twelve copies...and then make molds of them. (looks like 20 to 24 missiles a kit minimum ) My other option would be to make 6 or twleve single missile molds....casting the casts would be easier...but generational shrinkage would mean the final molds are 2 generations smaller then the original...not a lot...but something. If you can create at least 6 total then 1 mold creates 1 quarter of the missiles needed. If I make 2 molds I can do a kits worth a day. If you can make 12 originals...all the quicker...a lot just depends on how easy they are to manufacter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayson72 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Cooooool, very nice, love the obscure detail stuff. I'll take several hundred, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myersjessee Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Cooooool, very nice, love the obscure detail stuff. I'll take several hundred, thanks. hmmm...Ill definitly need more then 1 master if possible....or I can have Graysons order done in about a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger565 Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 OK well I will be working on them as best as I can. Once I get a few things in order I can mass produce them for you jessee. Just an FYI both Spartin and Tomahawk hold 24 Missles each. 12 each side. I will try my best to make you 12 missles as soon as I can. I do work alot. So Its hard sometimes other then on my day off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myersjessee Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 OK well I will be working on them as best as I can. Once I get a few things in order I can mass produce them for you jessee. Just an FYI both Spartin and Tomahawk hold 24 Missles each. 12 each side. I will try my best to make you 12 missles as soon as I can. I do work alot. So Its hard sometimes other then on my day off. I have the very same problem! Take your time...we will all live without them for a while longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Hey everyone,Here is the 1/72 scale Lockheed ATM-01 Rapier Missle that I have been working on. This was first discussed in the topic found here: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=12711 And now it has become somewhat a Reality. I worked on this for about 5 hours and was able to sculp a first draft to the Rapier found on both Spartin and Tamahawk destroids. The Spartin Rapier The Tomahawk Rapier Close up of the finished Missle Well If things go right I will work on the 1/100 scale tomorrow. Jessee said that he could Cast this in Resin. I dont see how hard it could be. If this tends to work out. I will start to create other Class of missles. I will also create Missle mounts for the Spartin. IF you want to use them on a 1/72 scale Tomhawk you can just drill holes. I will show pictures of the mounts and a few Tips to modifing the kits when I have the racks complete for the Spartin shoulders. NOTE: the Spoiler fins,on the back of the missle, are not needed you wont see them at all. Well let me know what you think. Ranger565 Alas, Robotech BS has tainted the mind of a fellow Macross fan again.... The Tomahawk and the Spartan have use the Bifors 12-round close-in self-guided rocket launchers in weapon bays. No Lockheed. No ATM-01. No Rapier. No missile. No missile launcher. The model designation of the rockets has not been specified, but the type and maker have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 However... nice model work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentrandude Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Alas, Robotech BS has tainted the mind of a fellow Macross fan again....The Tomahawk and the Spartan have use the Bifors 12-round close-in self-guided rocket launchers in weapon bays. No Lockheed. No ATM-01. No Rapier. No missile. No missile launcher. The model designation of the rockets has not been specified, but the type and maker have. *swoops in and defend the poor helpless victom from the less evil nash* ummm isnt a missile a self-guided and/or guided rocket anyways? also rocket is only a rocket if its just dumbfire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWR MKII Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 you hit the nail on the head about the differences zentrandude. but why are they called MISSiles if they are supposed to hit things.lol sorry weapons humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF19 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 (edited) That's actually a superstition among tabletop gamers....they are ROCKET launchers, because they aren't MISSile launchers. Rockets are dumbfire. Missiles are not. Bifors is not a company. Bofors is. Oh, and one other thing. Count the number of missiles in those bays. Not 12, is it? On the models, I mean. Oh, and Rockets are not generally referred to in rounds, they are in # of tubes in a launcher. Oh, another thing. Since they are both the same thing, and look the same, and don't have a HUGE FRICKIN' sticker on them saying "Lockheed ATM-01 Rapier" how could we possibly differntiate them? So let me ask you this. Who CARES?! Edited January 15, 2005 by VF19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 That's actually a superstition among tabletop gamers....they are ROCKET launchers, because they aren't MISSile launchers. Rockets are dumbfire. Missiles are not. Bifors is not a company. Bofors is. Oh, and one other thing. Count the number of missiles in those bays. Not 12, is it? On the models, I mean. Oh, and Rockets are not generally referred to in rounds, they are in # of tubes in a launcher. Oh, another thing. Since they are both the same thing, and look the same, and don't have a HUGE FRICKIN' sticker on them saying "Lockheed ATM-01 Rapier" how could we possibly differntiate them? So let me ask you this. Who CARES?! The creators of Macross, Studio Nue have specified these things. The Japanese text says rocket not missile. In Macross, the company is called Bifors, unlike the real life Bofors. Truth about designs and respect for the creators is something to care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF19 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Even though it's all crappy romanji. So what if he calls them one thing, they look EXACTLY the same as the other, so call it the otehr if you wish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noyhauser Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 That's actually a superstition among tabletop gamers....they are ROCKET launchers, because they aren't MISSile launchers. Rockets are dumbfire. Missiles are not. Bifors is not a company. Bofors is. Oh, and one other thing. Count the number of missiles in those bays. Not 12, is it? On the models, I mean. Oh, and Rockets are not generally referred to in rounds, they are in # of tubes in a launcher. Oh, another thing. Since they are both the same thing, and look the same, and don't have a HUGE FRICKIN' sticker on them saying "Lockheed ATM-01 Rapier" how could we possibly differntiate them? So let me ask you this. Who CARES?! The creators of Macross, Studio Nue have specified these things. The Japanese text says rocket not missile. In Macross, the company is called Bifors, unlike the real life Bofors. Truth about designs and respect for the creators is something to care about. I really hate to say this, but please we don't need you going around and correcting each and every error on the models forum, especially if you don't build them. For the purpose of the kit It doesn't really matter especially if it goes by the line art. I don't mean to be an ass, but its kinda annoying. We are happy enough to get these kits made in the first place, and just because you can pick out an error in its name (which has little to do with the cast) is not a modeling problem per say.If you want to make a thread about it nanashi, do it in the Movie and TV series thread please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger565 Posted January 15, 2005 Author Share Posted January 15, 2005 (edited) Ok well I found the Name of the rocket/missle on the web. Sorry Nanashi, but I went to your webpage first and your webpage is NOT up yet. I had to look on other sites to find pictures. So IF they called what you say they are called. that Info to me was not made. So who cares if they are a missle or a Pop Cap. Point is I was making these to Upgrade kits of people. I respect your work and Understand, But please forgive my Ignorance if I cannot Find info that you possess. Thank you for explaining. However These missles, Rockets, Plungers, Or whatever you want to call them, will still look like the pictures posted from actual Macross Books. Does not matter what they are called as long as people on this website want to Make there kits look like the show they can do so. I believe ever good modeler must do research. I spent 3 months on my CF Before I made it. I enjoy making my Macross kits Look more real. Its because the more real they look the more Proud I am of showing a kit off. Ranger565 Ps. I really respect your work Nenashi and I respect your Info. I wish I had it before I called them what I saw on a webpage. I cant read Japanese, so all I have to go on is a picture. Again thank you for the Correction. Could you also Please Give me the Name and Specification that you speek of? that way there will be no more confusion. Edited January 15, 2005 by Ranger565 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Ok well I found the Name of the rocket/missle on the web. Sorry Nanashi, but I went to your webpage first and your webpage is NOT up yet. I had to look on other sites to find pictures. So IF they called what you say they are called. that Info to me was not made. So who cares if they are a missle or a Pop Cap. Point is I was making these to Upgrade kits of people. I respect your work and Understand, But please forgive my Ignorance if I cannot Find info that you possess. Thank you for explaining. However These missles, Rockets, Plungers, Or whatever you want to call them, will still look like the pictures posted from actual Macross Books. Does not matter what they are called as long as people on this website want to Make there kits look like the show they can do so. I believe ever good modeler must do research. I spent 3 months on my CF Before I made it. I enjoy making my Macross kits Look more real. Its because the more real they look the more Proud I am of showing a kit off. Ranger565 Ps. I really respect your work Nenashi and I respect your Info. I wish I had it before I called them what I saw on a webpage. I cant read Japanese, so all I have to go on is a picture. Again thank you for the Correction. Could you also Please Give me the Name and Specification that you speek of? that way there will be no more confusion. Studio Nue has not specified any more information other than what I have stated prior. My website might not be ready at present, but there is always Egan Loo's Macross Compendium (It is official) : http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...br04/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Tristen Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 That's actually a superstition among tabletop gamers....they are ROCKET launchers, because they aren't MISSile launchers. Rockets are dumbfire. Missiles are not. Bifors is not a company. Bofors is. Oh, and one other thing. Count the number of missiles in those bays. Not 12, is it? On the models, I mean. Oh, and Rockets are not generally referred to in rounds, they are in # of tubes in a launcher. Oh, another thing. Since they are both the same thing, and look the same, and don't have a HUGE FRICKIN' sticker on them saying "Lockheed ATM-01 Rapier" how could we possibly differntiate them? So let me ask you this. Who CARES?! The creators of Macross, Studio Nue have specified these things. The Japanese text says rocket not missile. In Macross, the company is called Bifors, unlike the real life Bofors. Truth about designs and respect for the creators is something to care about. I really hate to say this, but please we don't need you going around and correcting each and every error on the models forum, especially if you don't build them. For the purpose of the kit It doesn't really matter especially if it goes by the line art. I don't mean to be an ass, but its kinda annoying. We are happy enough to get these kits made in the first place, and just because you can pick out an error in its name (which has little to do with the cast) is not a modeling problem per say.If you want to make a thread about it nanashi, do it in the Movie and TV series thread please. ______________________________________________________________________ To Noyhauser: Excuse me sir, but I have right to post in any forum I wish to as long as its on-topic. Also, I will correct misinformation as I see fit. If you get annoyed with me or my posts. That is a personal problem and you can leave if you choose to. ______________________________________________________________________ People should be glad that there are people out there that want correct and accurate information. The same information can be seen in Macross Perfect Memory and on Macross Compendium. There are such thing as guided rockets, even precision-guided rockets. Anyways, these rockets are selfed guided-apparently with an electro-optical system See: http://nanashino.macrossmecha.info/missile...ors_rocket.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrono Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 That's actually a superstition among tabletop gamers....they are ROCKET launchers, because they aren't MISSile launchers. Rockets are dumbfire. Missiles are not. Bifors is not a company. Bofors is. Oh, and one other thing. Count the number of missiles in those bays. Not 12, is it? On the models, I mean. Oh, and Rockets are not generally referred to in rounds, they are in # of tubes in a launcher. Oh, another thing. Since they are both the same thing, and look the same, and don't have a HUGE FRICKIN' sticker on them saying "Lockheed ATM-01 Rapier" how could we possibly differntiate them? So let me ask you this. Who CARES?! The creators of Macross, Studio Nue have specified these things. The Japanese text says rocket not missile. In Macross, the company is called Bifors, unlike the real life Bofors. Truth about designs and respect for the creators is something to care about. I really hate to say this, but please we don't need you going around and correcting each and every error on the models forum, especially if you don't build them. For the purpose of the kit It doesn't really matter especially if it goes by the line art. I don't mean to be an ass, but its kinda annoying. We are happy enough to get these kits made in the first place, and just because you can pick out an error in its name (which has little to do with the cast) is not a modeling problem per say.If you want to make a thread about it nanashi, do it in the Movie and TV series thread please. ______________________________________________________________________ To Noyhauser: Excuse me sir, but I have right to post in any forum I wish to as long as its on-topic. Also, I will correct misinformation as I see fit. If you get annoyed with me or my posts. That is a personal problem and you can leave if you choose to. ______________________________________________________________________ People should be glad that there are people out there that want correct and accurate information. The same information can be seen in Macross Perfect Memory and on Macross Compendium. There are such thing as guided rockets, even precision-guided rockets. Anyways, these rockets are selfed guided-apparently with an electro-optical system See: http://nanashino.macrossmecha.info/missile...ors_rocket.html Yes people should be happy that there are people out there that have the nessasary knownledge. However unless they ask for the critism do not casually walk up and resolutely state that 'they' are wrong and that 'you' are right. The people you want to help will ignore you and any information you impart because you were a totally pompus arrogant ass about it too begin with! Offer the information don't state it! Regardless how 'correct' you feel you are. Getting a person to really listen to you is an art everyone needs to learn. Ranger565, Man that's great stuff!! Maybe eventually the Macross fan built kits will get up to Gundam fan builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger565 Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 Ok well Lets not turn this thread into a battle, We have corrected the information, I was wrong because I found this Info on a web page. I had no idea what the name of Bifor was. But with a little time and a little luck I will have these made up and we can make our kits look a little more Real. I do this because I enjoy this Community, I have learned alot from you guys over the past year and I feel that I can give something back, Even if its the shape of a small resin made Item. Ranger556 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myersjessee Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I agree with Rangers sentiment. Lets not get hostile towards Nanashi. He's a very bright member with lots of good information to share with us. I'll probably forget if it's a missile or rocket soon, but it's nice to know there is someone amongst us who has the answers. I'm sure he would also agree with Ranger's sentiment, that it would be nice to have the pieces to make these kits more accurate. Cum-by-ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayson72 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Also keep in mind that it's very difficult to impart tone and emotion in a text comment. 3 different people could read the message and come away with 3 different meanings. It's best to assume beneviolence when reading text and email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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