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The problem is, they're not 'good' or 'useful' ideas. They're just off the wall ideas with no facts to back them up at all.

You talk about 'these are plastics used in heavy duty stuff like factories'...what specific types of 'plastics' are you talking about? What is their general industry descriptor?

You might as well be saying "they should make valks out of reinforced hyper carbon".

like I said you don't understand then tell me and I can clarify instead of these post that are just page fillers.

Wrong section and please stop making nonsensical topics just to complain.

Eventually repainting a old mold, slapping a new name, and shipping it out wont work it anymore. They have to re market this like besides the new movie coming out they need to start a new series new mecha and so on. Start out with cheap 9$ toys that kids can play with like the ones they saw in the show. Then move up from 9$ throw out toys to actual models and valks.

Now I want honest opinions no calling names and complaining like in my previous topic "My sugestion" where no one can understand what im saying even though I clearly say it.

why are you people so harsh and over protective calm down I'm being helpful and giving ideas your just sulking in your filth and cry about what could of been.

Okay maybe I was being too mean but I'm tired of all this boohooing. Just read if you don't understand let me clarify and if you don't agree why. If you do why, end of topic we don't need tons of pages filled with whining.

I'm just throwing ideas out their because while you complain and cry about wasting 200$'s I'm actually suggesting ideas to fix your problems.

I kind of figured that - but since all of page 1 is about him vehemently telling us that his topic is NOT about those buzzwords... it ends up being funny

I think Eugimon is right - we need a permanent thread called "I HATE YAMAT!/YAMATO SUCKS BALL!" -- it can be kind of like the newbie thread - a place for people to go to voice all of their various imagined grievances.

I say "imagined grievances" specifically because the Toy forum HAS a serious thread for serious grievences called "What's wrong with my Yamato, Bandai, etc. "

That's the place for serious people who have real problems to ask about them and discuss them.

So we need a thread for people who have never handled any Yamato products, or who have two, or who bought one, had it break and freaked, or who just don't like Yamato, to vent

or not...

Pete

Like I stated before I never had a problem. But here's a idea, what if Hasbro was able to make valks and market them hooking generations of kids, making them future Yamato consumers? Boost sales, sparks interest, heck if they get big time directors to watch the anime, study it and make a movie out of it then you could get even more people hooked. I mean they are making another macross movie in japan and soon we might have a live action one.

How about spelling and grammar...

Die Cast? Stronger plastics? What do you plan on doing? Throwing it against a wall? Re-enacting Hikaru's VF-1D crash through Artland's building? Die cast is somewhat expensive for small parts. Stronger plastics are expensive for mass production and quite infeasible for toys.

but you people complain about "oh its head is snapped, shoulders cracked, loose joints" so on and so forth. That's why I said stronger plastics. Heck you can use more Die cast and not worry about paint chipping. There's methods of painting with out having to worry about that.

More Die cast is a stupid Idea, ignore that part of the comment. Because it will just make it heavier and cause loose joints in the first place. But ya Hasbro has more experience with transforming toys, heck if they were given proper funds and time they could probably make something better then Yamato. I like Yamato great company.

Yes I know incomplete sentence.

By all means, when you find this plastic for use in toys, let us know... we'll make gazillions.

Until then, I think you oughta work on putting your thoughts into words and then text on the screen so you can effectively convey said ideas to the rest of us. As it stands, I'm just about certain some part of what you're trying to tell us is getting lost in 'translation'.

these are plastics used in heavy duty stuff like factories. But what I'm asking is to use that but in this toy, so it wont break so easily like people experienced. Like I said I never had a problem but to minimize the chances anyone getting a problem use the stronger plastics.

Yamato doesn't design the Valkyries.

didn't mention yamato, though they might make a new macross series and f-18 styled valk could be created who knows. I mean they are make a new macross movie a animated one and soon a live action one

It's funny because I'm not into Transformers but the ones I do collect are the ones mentioned here because they remind me the most of the Yamato Macross Toys.

I have the MP-1 and every MP in fact except Grimlock... I really don't see theupgrade except in size. And I have BT's and Alts because they vehicle mode is so close to the actual cars and the bot mode are so comparable to their G1 versions.

I think they are good toys, I still prefer my Yammies.

studying a valk 1/60 2.0 that plastic i mentioned earlier that's super strong would work and dicast hinges to the chest plate and covers for the spaces in the valk while in robot mode forgive me if i said that i forgot the name of the valk while in robot mode

You want Valks to be like Transformers because you are nostalgic for what you remember them to be as a child. If they released those cartoons and toys today you would be like WTF? The problem is that Bandai and Yamato make toys for a larger and probably older age group. Hasbro thinks they can get away with allot of the crap they sell because they are marking to 6-12 year olds. Bandai and Yamato are targeting what.......6 going on 20-35 year olds?

I love my G1s that I still have and I can appreciate them as to what they where when I was a child but to compare them to a Yamato or Bandai...... well there is just no comparison. Yamatos may not be the sturdiest things in the world (to some eyes) but the level of detail and refinement that goes into everyone is awesome. IMO you are defiantly getting what you pay for. Bandai is the same case although I am less impressed with the VF-25 DX line.

i just posted this because I just want yamato to atleast use that plastic thats as strong or stronger then steal that would certainly make a strong figure

This is true.

Here is the cause:

1.

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Those are contradictory. Your topic is self-contradictory. "Build a Valk like a Transformer" contradicts "I don't mean its a dam [sic] transformers [sic]"

But ok - I understand that what you do mean is this:

And this:

However - this is also illogical. "Use the same plastic and uilding methods" as what? As a Transformer. This is pretty much the same as "build a Valk like a Transformer."

This brings us back to the following points which you fail to address:

and Eugimon also brought up some other examples:

But I think I sort of understand what you're getting at when you write this:

So...you have a problem with...the plastic quality?

And you would like the plastic quality to be more like "Transformers?"

There are several problems here:

a) Transformers do not have uniform plastic quality (as has already been mentioned)

b) What exactly is wrong with the plastic quality of Yamato Valkyrie? The QC issues with regard to some of the Valkyrie have nothing to do with plastic quality and more to do with engineering. The exploding arms on the VF-OA wasn't a case of bad plastic quality but just bad QC. The hair-line fracture in the new version 2.0s was not a case of bad plastic quality but bad assembly QC. Generally, I don't really see how Yamato has a "plastic quality problem"

The vast majority of Yamato products have good plastic. It is not brittle, it does not crack, snap or pop (no Rice Crispies inference intended).

With all due respect - what is the topic?

The topic title is "My suggestion/please read and reply" - so - the topic is your suggestion, which I've read and attempted to reply to. If my reply is incoherent, that is because the suggestion is incoherent. You start off by saying that Valkyire should be made like Transformers; then you clarify that you don't mean make them like Transformers, but just use the same materials and methods as making Transformers. But when confronted with the fact that the materials for making Transformers are not uniform and with the fact that the method for making Transformers is not, as in the case of Valkyrie, an attempt at replicating precise line art from an anime in plastic form, but rather the design of functional toys that vaguely resembles innacurate cartoons - you ignore these points and dismiss comparissons with Transformers as off topic. Yet you yourself introduced the comparisson in the first place, thereby making it part of the topic.

So I'm confused.

What is the topic?

Pete

i never had a valk problem in my life

I think it's you that missed his point. The fact is they made transformers that had the detail and close to line accuracy that Yamato toys had and in the end they had similar problems. And to make valks as sturdy as your stansard Transformers they would end up much less line accurate as the general Macross fans desire. The closest you'll get to valks designed similarly to Transformer toys are the 1/55s and the first 1/60s VF-1s.

Personally I haven't had much trouble to the Yamato VF-1s that I have bought. The only one that I'm really unhappy with are the YF-19s. But given the choice I would pick Yamato's manufacturing style over any other company's. My v.2 1/60 VF-1S hasn't had the shoulder fall apart. I suspect it will if I played with it enough, but it seems like that was a manufacturing defect that was easily fixed. It's just too bad that countless buyers already recieved theirs before discovering it.

Punctuation.... please >_<

sorry im kinda switching between playing maplestory and writing

You fail to consider one thing:

There are NO Transformer toys that are line-art accurate, and there is no such thing, really, as "line art" in the Transformers universe. Therefore, each and every Transformer toy is a loose interpretation of an animation design or a movie design (in the case of Movie toys).

Being able to produce a toy that is a loose interpretation of a design which itself is a loose interpretation ad infinitum means that they toy maker is not restricted by the need to be faithful to line art.

Yamato's valkyrie have, from the begining, been designed with the explicit purpose of being 100% accurate to the line art from DYRL (and then Macross Plus).

It is physically impossible for them to therefore be built along the same lines as a Transformer because Transformers are designed PRIMARILY as functional toys that are supposed to generally and vaugely resemble something in a badly drawn cartoon.

Meanwhile, Yamato valkyrie are supposed to resemble "real robots" drawn in the greatest work of animation in human history - and perfectly transform to boot. The version 1.0 1/60s got the line art down pretty well, but were not perfect transformation. the 1/48s were perfect transformation. The version 2.0 1/60s use CAD and are perfect transformation.

Transformers don't need to do any of that because their purpose is to be used as throw away toys.

NEXT:

You write as though all Transformers are always built of the same material. Not true. The plastic for Animated was quite different from the plastic used in other lines - just to give an example. And the original Generation 1 cars were aso known for QC issues - rooftops snapping off, the figures breaking at the waste etc etc. They were also delicate designs - at least the diaclones were.

Later Transformers were less delicate, and even less accurate in either mode.

NEXT:

Transformers, being for children, are also made in adherance with child safety laws; and since they are made primarily for the USA, they need to be mindful of American safety laws. Yamato makes Valkyrie for the adult Japanese market - why would you want them to make Valkyrie "like Transformers" (aka be bound by child safety laws and suddenly you wouldn't have com-link antenas on the valks, the noses would be blunt etc etc etc)

FINALLY:

So what you're actually proposing is way too vague. Yamato obviously uses the best materials they can and strive to make a figure that meets some pretty high criteria. They suceed in making the best transforming mecha on the market today if you look at all factors combined.

Takara-Tomy should actually take a cue from Yamato who have managed to radically progress in their work over their years while Transformers get more and more sloppy and shoddy.

Look at Yamato's progress from the 1/60 version 1s and the 1/72s to the v 2.0 line and the Macross Plus 1/60s of today. The progress is amazing and shows they've really been working hard.

Meanwhile, in that same time span, Transformers - which with the onset of Beast Wars was at the forefront of making highly articulated transforming robots, has degenerated in every way: the robots are less poseable, uglier, made of cheaper material, have more kibble, look nothing like their screen counter parts and have effectively obviously been cheapened to the point where your generic modern Transformer is no different from a cheap knock off of a Transformer - and in fact notice how KO makers have few problems replicating Transformers which are easy to replicate precisely because they use 10 year old technology.

Yamato: please ignore this request

Pete

(happy he finally got to rant against TFs again! )

Pete

im not talking about transformers im talking about the proccess of being made like use the same plastics you dont under stand what im getting at

considering it was never animated, i wouldn't ever bet on it being made into a toy. it just isn't recognizable.

ya your right though im just iching for a bomber valk or at least one modeled after a f-18 the ones we know are modeled after a tomcat

From yamato website on 11/19:

could you use the hikaru figure in the fan racer in a valk figure

Like I stated a while ago build a valk like a transformer. I got response like " it will be bulky" "poorly articulated". But once again im going to say it. They should do it and when I said built like one I don't mean its a dam transformers I mean use the same plastic and building methods. If a transformer can have smaller parts then a yamato figure and it wont break why should it happen to the yamato. Why not use the same enginiring methods and you can use more metal there's ways of painting metal with out it scraping off? I mean the plastic quality to a 9 dollar toy is better then to a 106 dollar one, that's pretty sad.

The new 1/60 2.0 scale has their figures built more toy like then why not use better plastic its not so expensive to engineer a stronger one. There's ones stronger then steel use those that could make a tough figure and then your fears of cracks and breaks is no more.

EDIT: im talking about the materials not transformers in general so pay more attention to the topic

Yup, already emailed HLJ, lets just hope for the best and wait for their response nextweek.

maybe instead of replacing it open the toy up to see if it is the canopy or you didn't transform it right or open the toy and fix it your self if you can then replace it

well i think the Vab-2 looks cool i mean ifs a bomber style and look at its concept art it looks alright

Good idea. I always thought there should be a short-range light valkyrie in the style of the F-16 with an F-22 style transformation (the single thruster becomes a backpack). It would be pretty small, as valks go, probably VF-1 sized, but would be a post Macross 7-era tech fighter (basically using some of the lessons learned from YF-23, but not the full bore that VF-22 got).

so do you think someone can contact yamato to produce the VAB-2 and the VF-171 perfect trans

VAB-2. No animation has put it to use and the variant milking is so low that I won't waste time with it.

The VF-17 or VF-171. Has a slightly higher mold milking-factor but that's gonna depend on Yamato and Bandai to go forward with it.

i just looked up the VAB-2 that would make a awesome 1/60 scale figure one someone should ask yamoto to make it

What if they made one in a b-2 bomber or f-117 style would you buy it and if theres anyone good at drawing here could you draw a picture on what it might look like

This is going to be the next exclusive item for Macross Chronicle!

1/60 Angelbird + Fan Racer set

Unsure if we are talking about the Fan Racer kit, or this time it's a completed model.

they should make a 1/60 scale fan racer and angel bird

Just got mine yesterday (came SAL). Haven't had a chance to open it yet but the box art isn't too shabby

Cant wait to put some FPs on it!

mine came in the mail yesterday cant open till christmas