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Actually, no. Macross is written in English (or easily romanized into it) and a lot more people here are better educated in English than can be appreciated from their listening and speaking skills alone. So, only the people who have lived in a box in a hole in the mountain would equate Robotech to being Macross in English.

Simply put, Babelfish sucks rocks. Here's the translation via http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/ I would rewrite it as: Warera is in a group of 3 first class armor soldier of 099, in the eighth Britai fleet flagship. They alone belong to a militarized reconnaissance force code named "Blue wind". They sneak into the Macross warship as Maicron spies and collect information. However, they get culture shock after having touched "Culture" that they have not seen up to now. (At this time, make friends with Shammy, Kim, and Vanessa). They spreads culture to the lower class soldier (on the flagship), and 23 people (soldiers) escape to Macross again. Though they return temporarily (to the flagship) for a report. Afterwards, their defection is formally admitted and life is led in the Macross warship. It did not go so well, and together with Lori, and Conda, the three people worked together after they had defected by assuming rolling employment (odd jobs? Street salesmen?) He lost the ball in satan's cultural "Sake" and it destroys him, even though he lived in Macross City seriously after the great war. Afterwards, he became a sponger in the house of Mr. and Mrs. Vanessa of Lori & of Macross City. He looked after their child with Lori and Conda and Mr. and Mrs. Vanessa of Lori &. It still doesn't make perfect sense, but probably does if you know the Macross TV series story.

Long story short: foreign still equals trendy here in Japan. Another way to look at it is, some (Japanese) Macross fan is going to see them and say 'neato, it's in English,' and pick them up.

I think it's supposed to be the DYRL version of it, with the other one (the Independence?) being the TV series version.

Just for fun, I wiped this up in photoshop. EDIT: the images can be viewed here: http://studiootaking.deviantart.com/art/VF...-hills-62768771 and http://studiootaking.deviantart.com/art/VF...-water-62768450

It's because of budgeting. The creators of Macross had a limited bank account from sponsors and investors. They opted to budget more of the limited amount of money in key or later episodes. What that means is that more staff spent more time working on the episode you mentioned, than earlier ones. I am not entirely certain if they were able to hirer more staff or they farmed out less (or more) of the work required in making the series. This budgeting production tactic is not limited to Macross at all. It is actually pretty common in a lot of animated and live action productions - the very first or pilot episode, as well as the finale and other key episodes get larger slices of the budget, whereas the first few episodes after the 1st (or pilot) and episodes heavy on characterization get less. Let's face it talking heads cost a lot less than tricky combat with even tricker moving camera angles! Some other examples where this budgeting tactic is easily seen: Neon Genesis Evangelion (there is a huge drop in quality between the 2nd and 3rd episodes that doesn't really recover to the quality of the 1st episode until around the halfway point of the series.) Macross Plus - the 3rd episode. 'nuf said.

Agreed. Post space war 1 (and the annihilation of Earth's surface) anything goes. It could be 'space bucks' for all we know. Though, as Macross is made in Japan, I feel the producers leaning towards the Yen... though given that we have the Euro(s) for the EU, there might be something similar. Perhaps something like the Uninat. (UNIted NATions.) Though this is pure unsubstantiated speculation. Pre SWI, they probably use(d) what the UN uses in reality - a mixture of any and all of the world's currencies. In this case it is perfectly valid to state a "cost in USD/Yen/Pound" as that is used. Though keep in mind that it isn't necessarily what the UN paid member nations to make it. (Payment in local currency and exchange rate fluctuations.)

All jets can land on water. Most of them, however, cannot take off again. Seriously: the VF-0 can land in/on water. The *real* question that we should be asking is "what mode(s) does the VF-5 need to be in, to land in water?" I say this because, the VF-5 may have only one feature that other VFs don't have: water proofing. (Macross Zero Eps. #3: Shin's gun pod jams because it has been immersed in sea water.) So that brings me to the matter of language: what is the original Japanese and how close is the English translation to the (intended) meaning? 日本語ã«ãƒŒã‚¢ãƒ³ã‚¹ãŒæœ‰ã‚‹ã‹ã‚‰ã€‚。。

Call it Valkyries having gone full circle. Especiall considering that Kawamori Shouji originally designed the SV-51 with... lego!

It doesn't say specific. It says "Specification inspiration: Convair XF2Y Sea Dart" Ie: stats. In this case, I believe it's the "water landing capable." Which means that it may have skids and air intakes on the ventral surface, like the Sea Dart. However, given that it's mission inspiration is based off of something different, it probably doesn't look anything like the Sea Dart and more like the F-5E Tiger II. Also, given Kawamori's penchant for sleek fighters, I doubt he'd approved something as bulbous and bulky as the Sea Dart. I mean yech!

Yeah... and it's also suspicious as these 'non VF' designs are showing up in the 'Shouji Kawamori Macross Design Works' book. That alone says some things about their status.

Try the forums: http://macrossroleplay.org/forums/index.php The ongoing games are updated weekly and sometimes daily.

Gah! mahq's page within a page is frustrating at times. >.<

Aside from the VF-5000 appearances in Macross 7 Dynamite, Macross Plus: Game Edition, and Macross M3, it was slated to appear as the main mecha in the Macross 3D VF-X. (Be glad that that project never went to production - call it a low quality cousin of the 3DCG Appleseed movie from 2004.) Though... the VF-5000 did look pretty sweet in it. So yeah... they're myth. Regarding the VF-5, it's always been my opinion (and probably mine alone) that it is really the SeiRan-99Kou "StarStorm-99Armour" in disguise. http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/macross.htm The VF fits all the requirements - water landing capable, etc., and also has conformally mounted missiles, a la the other VF produced in that era: the VF-4. So yeah, it's probably just something that Kawamori penned to keep fans glued and develop interest in a future anime or model release...

Yeah... melding the physical with the metaphysical is troublesome at best. And that's even with audience suspension of belief. Though, I will point out that some of the best fiction out there leaves some hanging questions - those 'what happened next?' or 'What is the meaning of that?' The main reason being is it stimulaties the imaginations of the audience. Re: the ending of Macross Zero: Shin's damaged VF-0 'soft' landed and he had his preverbial ''walk into the sunset." Sara created the barrier around him because she had become one with the Tori-no-hito (birdman/'alien flower mecha') and was able to use her spiritia powers combined with its super technology to reach across time and space from where ever it folded to. (Given it's sorry state, I suspect that it probably folded away and expired - and Sara's powers were used while it was mid-fold.) Was it something her father taught? Probably it was a combination of the Tori-no-hito's abilities and her spiritia singing powers. So yes, in part it was something her father taught. They did. The Protodevlin in Macross 7. They fit your descriptions of, and requests for more horror fairly well. Though I will agree that they didn't come across very well in the anime... In Macross 7, specifically Dynamite, they have reverse engineered anti-gravity to the point that it's included in civilian vehicles. As the anti-grav system on the SDF-1 Macross malfunctioned during it's first take-off, we can presume that it did take something like 35 to 40 years to work all the bugs out. If a new Macross gets made, the question about having a darker tone or not really depends on how Big West feels the audience will react to it. In the end, it's all about making money, and shows like Macross 7 make more money than limited (or slow to be released) shows like Macross Plus and Macross Zero. (More time for marketing related toys/music/accessories/etc., potential of sequal OVAs and movies, and a 'lower' budget per episode, meaning a smaller start-up cost. In this regard, Shouji Kawamori is bad for a production, as he likes to spend lots of money in making them.)

You used babelfish, didn't you? I recommend http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/ (though, you have to have some basics of Japanese to use it.) It comes up with: Armed storage hatch. Using dictionaries, it's directly translated as: 武装 (busou) arms; armed åŽç´ (shuunou) receipts; harvest; put in, store. So yeah, Armaments Storage Hatch, would be my 'intended meaning' translation.

I rechecked my Macross books, and indeed there is no 武装åŽç´ãƒãƒƒãƒ (internal weapons pallet hatch) on the YF-21 (yes for the engine nacelles on the YF-19, if you're asking.) However, there are some ports that look suspiciously like (tactical?) missile launchers along the central leading edge of the dorsal FAST packs. However, suspicious looking holes do not make for facts... So yes, the point on Guld's ride (the YF-21) being rigged, is agreed to.

Not to disagree with the point and intent of the post. I beg to differ on one point: The VF-22 has internal pallets for tactical/strategic payloads (reaction missile load seen at the end of Mac 7.) http://macross.anime.net//mecha/united_nat...vf22/index.html Though the Macross Compendium doesn't specifically list any in it's article on the YF-21 http://macross.anime.net//mecha/united_nat...yf21/index.html isn't it possible, dabbling into the probable, that the YF-21 also has the internal pallets, as a) they are in a location on (and otherwise unused) both the YF-21 and VF-22, and b) the YF-19 also has internal pallets. (not to mention the VF-17, the VF-11C (if the animation error is not an error afterall) and the engine nacelle FAST packs of the VF-11C. All of which predate the YF-21.) I agree that the weapon pallets/bays haven't been seen in the anime, but so too have the Valkyrie grenades... Anyhow, yes, repressed memories makes for great storytelling. And some people have made some great points in this thread that I fully support.