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Again -> see Kensei's post + my speculations on Kawamori Shouji's motivations of why not to see it. Please also keep in mind that kawamori Shouji's a busy guy, and is in high demand. I doubt that he wants to *waste* his free time watching similar anime to what he does at work when he can do something else. I, and I'm sure many other members of MW, along with those at Studio Nue, leave work at the workplace. Zinjo's speculations kind of also confirms my suspicions why Kawamori may never say that he has seen it, as it brings up the whole arguement about Studio Nue being unimaginative, and copying other people's ideas.

Don't have time to read that huge post. However, your very first line makes me wonder if you have even seen Macross 7. Protodevlin are not people, nor Protocultures. They are specially designed, experimental "next generation" Zentraedi called "Evhil Series" that were possessed by entities from another dimension. From the Compendium: http://macross.anime.net//story/chronology...0000/index.html

The big reason, and I'm not sure that it's been mentioned yet, and it probably should be considered the ONLY reason, is the limitations on creative freedom that Macross II puts on the creative people behind successive Macross productions. Removing Macross II gave (continues to give?) the creative people behind Macross Plus, 7, Dynamite, 7 Movie, and (possibly) the new series/production a clean slate.* A clean slate is what any creative person wants. Kawamori Shouji's "I haven't seen it," may be a white lie - but I genuinely think that he hasn't; so as to keep the Studio Nue view uncompromised and not effected by the stuff in Macross II. Complete creative freedom. *I'm excluding Zero because it is deliberately set in an era contained within both Studio Nue cannon and Big West Cannon. Despite the spiritia, Protoculture, and Protodevlin references and extrapolations contained within it, the events of the series could not fundementally alter what followed it; SDF:M, DYRL, and Flashback 2012.

Uhm... no. What little of Earth* we do see is mostly in Macross Plus. Of that, it is mostly crater filled wasteland, with only a few megapolises. In fact, we only see two large cities, and a few small settlements; which may or may not be suburbs or offshoots of the large cities. This is definitely not indicitive of Earth having been repopulated, and the effects of the war erased. An image of Earth as seen in Macross Plus: Evidence of SWI is hardly erased, and the lack of cities or settlements is painfully obvious. * As DYRL and Flashback 2012 are considered cannon to both versions, I'm only focusing on the differences that crop up later.

Zinjo, I am really unclear what point you are trying to make about VFs in both Macross II and the Studio Nue canon. I may be misunderstanding, but your posts on the subject conflict each other. As for the other stuff - excellent posts, Noyhauser! The only thing I'd like to add (and is oft neglected) are the space colonies and L4 spaceship construction yards that survived SWI.

You may wish to change that subscription. The compendium (I believe it is in the timeline) says something along the lines that the Zentraedi were created to fight by proxy for the Protoculture. In more words: the Protoculture were split into many factions that were fighting with themselves (something very similar to what is indicated as happening to humans, as hinted at in Isamu Dyson's history,) and the Protocultures decided that they didn't want to use their own race (either no-one felt motivated to die for their group, giant warriors were deemed better for war, or a combination of both.) Therefore, it is extremely unlikely that any Protoculture were present on any of the many Zentraedi fleets (they cloned giant soldiers to do those jobs, and like any good politician, told the soldiers what to do from a great distance away.) As for fighters: VAB-2 stealth bomber/heavy attack specialized. VA-3M (under)water specialized VB-3 bomber/heavy attack specialized VF-3000B bomber specialized VF-4 Space combat and interceptor specialized. VF-5000 atmospheric combat specialized. VB-6 long range bombardment specialized. VF-9 special forces specialized. VF-17 space combat specialized. etc., etc., etc.. Most of the VFs in the Studio Nue cannon are specialized, some are very mission specific with little chance of being used in other roles. Very few are multi-role.

There is a possibility, though extremely remote, that this is correct. The Japanese have a word for flyer - ãƒãƒ©ã‚· - after all.

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<sigh> http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=142 I was bringing attention to this. I'm glad to see the moderators are aware of this issue, but am disappointed at their reaction to it. Zen = Ch'an = someone elses religion and is a misrepresentation of someone else's religion, as it's not in Macross Zero. The issue was pushed further into the religious direction, when Gunny opted to not check facts first and force the issue with more ignorant comments on a collection of world religions. Perhaps if Christianity or Islam was used instead of Zen, the reaction would have been different, no? I agree that this is not the best manner of approaching the issue, nor is this the best place to continue discussing it. However, in the interest of keeping MW members from accidently or inadvertantly offending people of other religions, I am posting it here as a reminder. Now then not to make this post completely off topic, as I endevour to post something relevant to the topic of the thread in all my posts: we've been given a potential name for this new series: マクロス　フライヤー = Macross Flyer. I also suggest expecting some kind of announcement or even lineart for the new series on March 12th; as per: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...c=21926&hl=

フライヤー = Fulaiya- (or Furaiya-). Romanized into English: Flyer (or Fryer) I'm guessing Flyer, as that makes more sense in the context of Macross. There's been some discussion on this topic for some time here: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=21563

It could just mean that some to all of the old releases will be remastered and released on Blu-Ray... with only a little bit of new animation being released... Hmmm... adding to my last post: maybe the requirement of acting in the voice actress call is for doing motion capture work? I don't agree with BW 'playing close to the wire.' The 25th anniversary of Macross is not 2007, but Oct. 3rd, 2007. I don't expect any 25th anniversary celebrations until that date, and after it; not before. As it's still only the beginning of March, we still have about 7 months - more than half a year! Plenty of time, IMHO.

Not necessarily. It takes both time, and more materials (computers with sufficient processing power and memory, software, energy costs) to create CG animation. Remember - EVERY detail must be hand drawn or placed by a CG modeller, then another CG animator must make them fit into the animation (with a bunch of other CG models in such a way as to give the illusion of movement) and only then, the computer has to be told to render every single frame. Depending on the resolution and the amount of detail (shading, dohickeys, etc.), it can take anywhere from a few seconds, to a day to produce a few seconds or minutes worth of animation. Que should be taken from live action movies like the Lord of the Rings, the Matrix, and Star Wars. How much of those movies, despite being effects heavy, are entirely CG? Not much - in fact, only objects that alter their appearance (characters, essentially) are CG. The rest, from cityscapes to spaceships, are still hand-built, hand lit, and photographed models. Regarding Macross Zero - yes, there is a lot of CG animation in it. The CG also doesn't look like it is motion capture. In other words, all the little movements in every single frame are done by the animators. IMHO, the CG in Macross Zero is the main reason why there were the large gaps in between the releases of the episodes of the series. Macross Zero isn't Star Wars, and BW cannot afford an army of animators to produce a few minutes of CG animation in a short period - instead, they have one or two guys doing it for months. This is also why there are hand-drawn action sequences - due to time constraints (possibly budget constraints too,) it was faster and cheaper to hand draw short sequences. And as Radd mentioned - most, if not all of the hand drawn animation was done on a computer (or scanned into a computer) and 'hand painted' in a computer. There is a section in Tenjin Hidetaka's book on Macross Zero, showing his 'hand painting' of some of the cell animation in Macross Zero. Of course if the new Macross production is motion capture (a la the "Appleseed" movie,) then production time will go down - but render time will still be needed, not to mention the hardware and software... so costs will still be as high, or higher than hiring artists to hand draw the animation...

Actually, it makes perfect sense. Macross 7 is aimed at two demographics: young people, hopefully bringing in a new market for Macross, AND old(er) fans of the original series. Those older fans would have been, or were well on the way to being married, and experiencing some of the same trials and troubles that Max and Milla were undergoing in the series. It was also a way for the two to get so much screen time in the series. Drama = conflict. Conflict = viewer interest. Viewer interest = good!

(Rough) translations of the news items on the renewed Macross site: http://www.macross.co.jp/ News items (3): - It'll be 25 years of Macross on Oct. 3rd. There will be new movement (in Macross) from the website renewal; this year is the turning point in Macross. It is large attention of "Macross" that begins to move bewilderingly from this year to next year. - Tokyo International Anime Fair 2007 - going to have a booth there. They're going to have a display on the previous series, and mechanical designs. - searching for voice talent (for the heroin of a new Macross production.)

Don't you mean Ch'an wasn't offended? Now if you're going to get picky about Buddhism in Macross, then you have to do the same for all anime that is produced in Japan. But don't stop at Buddhism! Don't forget about Confucianism, Shintoism, and all of the other things that makes the culture different from your own! I agree that you have a life, in the sense that you are living, but you apparently lack education. Please correct us if I am wrong. Also, going back to your first post, shouldn't it be 'nature loving' and not 'tree hugging', as the two are quite different and the later is more applicable to the work in question. I was thinking about that (nature in Macross Zero), and I concluded that Macross Zero cannot exist without some type of exposition and highlighting of nature; in the context of the greater Macross series in general. Why? One key element of the Macross storyline is the destruction of the Earth and human's actions after it. If Macross Zero were to not highlight nature, it would be a failure on the part of the writers as they would have neglected one of the overall Macross story's main points and theme. I have no doubt that nature (either the lack of it (ie: crater filled landscape a la DYRL and M+), or highlighting of it) will appear in the next Macross production; along with singing, love triangles, VFs, and the missile circus. I don't agree that it will be entirely CG (CGA's cost and time prohibitive in general) and I hope that it will be a continuation of the post-Macross 7, VF-X2 storyline.

Regult.

http://escaflowne.anime.net/story/chronology/1999/index.html 2004. June - the Plundering Fleet 2005. Sept 8th - the returning fleet from Mars Base Sara is destroyed. Two seperate events have been confused as being one and the same. The exact words used in the Compendium chronology (about the plundering fleet) are:

Zen Buddhist? Please point out what is Zen Buddhist in Macross Zero. Perhaps it was Mayahana Buddhism (but I didn't see any Bodhisattvas) and not Theravada, but Zen?

http://www.bandai-museum.jp/ scroll down, there's English. None of the push-buttons on the webpage work...

If I'm not mistaken, it's a short story (prose) in the middle of the Macross Memory Perfect book. It takes place during the UN wars, and is about Captain Global prior to him being assigned to captain the SDF-1.

Given the mission role envisioned for the VF-19, maybe the "limited" missile load is to be used mainly as a distraction to cover it's retreat after completing the assassination of the mission target with non-missile weapons?

Not necessarily. They could have been naturally occuring. Nature is more diverse than it sometimes appears to be - fish that can fly, etc.. Why not Galactic Whales that can enter Super Dimension Space? Maybe we are looking at it backwards - it's not so much that the Protoculture created the Galactic Whales, but that the Protoculture were inspired to create engines that copied the natural abilities of the Galactic Whales?

It depends on the FAST pack used. Essentially, every FAST pack seen from about the halfway point of Macross 7 onwards (including Dynamite, and Zero,) are transatmospheric. Some of them include scram jets (or is it ram jets?) instead of rocket motors. Specifically for the VF-11, the SES FAST packs introduced with the VF-11 Kai are the only ones that are transatmospheric and able to work equally in atmospheres and space, and not needing to be ejected.

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Apparently with progress, the thermonuclear engines of VFs have been reduced in size enough to fit in weapons pallets or bays in the engine nacelles of all VFs from the 2030's onwards. The VF-22, VF-19, YF-19, VF-17, Fz-109, Az-130 and VF-11 MAXL Kai all have them. One could even say that the (non-canon? your opinion) VF-11, VF-5000 and VF-4 have the extra space too (VF-4 has conformally mounted munitions - definitely taking space, just not a lot of it.)