justvinnie

So when the Macross folded out to Pluto's orbital and found itself with almost 50,000 civilians, food would be a priority. We know that the Macross was about to launch so it is probably fully stocked. I'm going to presume that the Daedalus and Prometheus were both fully stocked since they are at dock. Is that still enough to support that large of a population for several months?

Assuming that they decide to grow their own food right away since they obviously had available room (hydro or aeroponics whatnots), it would still take a few months till harvest. On top of that were the hell did Hayao get his beef steak? Surely there are no cows on board. If it was frozen as part of the food stock, man, it must have costed a fortune. So how did that steakhouse stay in business? Meat can't be grown like veggies.

vinnie

That is because RT:SC was not part of Cannes... it was simply "shown at the same time as Cannes" in a theater nearby so HG could throw the word "Cannes" around like it was some big muckety muck. The Grey One Theater was not invloved with the Cannes Film Festival and RT:SC was not entered into the competition... i sh!t you not, from the horses' mouth:

posted by Tommy Yune on RT.com:

Though it's not part of the official competition at the Festival de Cannes, Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles is being screened at the Grey One Theatre for industry attendees of the Cannes Film Market.

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LMAO! That's classic! HG (and affiliates) may not be able to infuse substance into their products (as of yet), but they sure now how to put a great PR spin on things.

vinnie

EDIT IN: More importantly, I want to know how you have enough time to browse the RT.com forums to know this???

Or at the very least, it's not actually finished yet, but hyping it  up to have had "screenings" helps in the licensing to a distributer process, which would get HG extra dough to finish it.

Besides, if people could get work prints of episode III before it hit theaters, I find it hard to believe that a review of this wouldn't have popped up yet.

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However Ep3 has much more pop culture significance than some dying 20 year old hack job of a show that most people don't give a damn.

vinnie

oh come on, you know you're all going to watch it, even if it is just to laugh at the idiots making, well bigger idiots of themselves. But you know what? I wouldn't do this for immortality. Give me a cool couple of millions, and I'll do JUST about anything on TV cause in the end who's laughing all the way to the bank? The promo picture reminds of Mystery Men.

vinnie

PS: Incidentally, I won't watch this since I have no TV and therefore never watch any TV any ways.

In my sophomore year of college, I took BIO201. We were on genetics and going over dominance and recessiveness of genes. And as an example my prof talked about eye color. Since blue eyes are recessive, you need to be homozygous to have blue eyes. This means that blue eyed parents can't have brown eyed kids, but brown eyed parents could have blue eyed kids if they were carriers of the recessive gene. Kid in class raised his hand, and said "That's not possible! Both my parents have blue eyes and I have brown eyes." I knew what everyone was thinking... "Seems the postman must have been making some friendly visits while Daddy is at work or something..." The prof is embarrassed cause he doesn't know how to respond and makes a lame comment on how he could have been a mutant. Yeah right like we all bought that. Anyways, the kid confronted his parents and finally discovered that he was actually adopted but they didn't want to tell him.

Point of this? Superman=blue eyes. Lois=blue eyes. Jason=brown eyes. Jason is not Superman's son...

vinnie

Looks awesome already! I'll agree that 4 villains is a bit much. But Sam Raimi hasn't done us wrong yet, so I will trust him until proven otherwise. I wonder if the number of villains is increasing because the suit gives him more power?

vinnie

Anyone have the following parts?

1 X BP9

1 X BP10

1 X missle pylon, not the micromissle pod.

vinnie

EDIT IN: This is for a 1/48 VF-1A Hikaru

Do all the Eps occur on Friday? Cause Suzumiya Haruhi always has a gold ribbon in her hair in all the eps. And if that's the case, should her hair be more elaborate?

vinnie

Dear Vinnie:

(1st off, don't get offended or pist. I'm not trying to turn you into an enemy here. I've never even seen you in the forums until now, so I know nothing about you.)

I'll be as hermeneutic as I can for you.

Well. Here's the way I see it. A forum is intended to be subjective. I'm supposed to want to participate. Why would I want to sit back and retain objectivity when I have my own opinion - and I also have the right to post it?

If I see something I think is dramatically incorrect, I think naturally I'm going to gravitate towards letting other people know. This can apply to debates that did not start or begin with me. I'll throw in my two cents and the other participants can choose to read what I say or ignore me; I'm just satisfied that my stance on the issue was made available for others to see. An opinion is worthless if you keep it to yourself.

I believe, although I'm not totally sure, that there is a certain altruism behind your presumption of ignorance (which can also be innocence) on behalf of certain affiliates/employees of HG. So for this, I'll give you your props. You're a nice person. I myself though am less optimistic about people's ability to remain completely uninformed regarding situations that might require a slight degree of competence. I guess I just hope and believe that nobody at HG was born with the awful trial of having an IQ hovering in the double digits.

To state it eloquently, "I think if you work for Harmony Gold doing work that has anything to do with robotech and you don't know that the entire thing began in Japan, then you are (a) gimp/retard/buffoon/idiot/moron/mentally challenged/tragically stupid/ignoramous/airhead/impossibly dumb/schizophrenic/oblivious/etc."

Basically I disagree with you. 

EDIT: *throws peace sign to the world plus a middle finger* 

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I'm a much older member dating back to who knows when, I just don't actively participate anymore. You do not have the power to offend me but I do have the ability to piss others off because of their own insecurities about themselves.

Your original statement was that you loved to "look" at online arguments", to paraphrase, not participate. There is little room to interpret anything but literally. A desire to observe is usually correlated to a desire to be objective. Apparently you also desire to participate. Your use of the word hermeneutics does not make sense.

Opinions are do not have to be shared to have value unless you are insecure with our own beliefs.

Maybe your workplace is full of geniuses, but my experience has taught me that people are always dumber than they look and know less than you'd expect them to. I work in research. Half the human population does have an IQ in the double digits. IQ scores are normalized with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15.

I am not a very nice person. I'm sure some of the older members can testify to that.

vinnie

Because it suits my mood.

I wonder if Tony is planing in going the way of "Oh yeah, we create something new from scratch, and thanks to us, Macross became a major hit through out the whole world, blah blah blah" when he creates his documentary or if he is actually planing to do some major research on the subject....

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The original question was whether Tony will do research for his documentary or will it be a propaganda piece for HG. The question is a valid one and to be called stupid for it is to lack insight into the nature of the question as well as a lack of manners. To presume that he [Tony] knows everything about SDF:Macross, SDC:SC and Genesis Climber Mospeada already just because he was a voice actor for Robotech is a ridiculous assumption. He may be more involved than just as voice talent and so may know more, but then the onus of proving that is on the person asserting that he does know more.

No, the original question asked if HG was going to take credit for creating the original animation used in Robotech (which they didn't) and for causing Macross' popularity in the west (which they did). It was in line with the rest of ridiculous assumptions and comments made about HG, and I called him on it. Apparently that bothers you.

A case of hermeneutics. Maybe its me but personally when I see "blah, blah, blah" following a mock quote, I tend to take the mock quote as a satirical comment rather than literally. Hence, I took it to mean more broadly as to whether the documentary will be a propaganda piece or a well researched project. Frankly, I have not heard the audio interview or whatever it is with Tony and I don't care to either. Regardless of interpretation, a one liner that makes an unvalidated assertion and is introduced by an insult is pretty much base by most standards.

In a play of words on the common remonstrance of assuming, I at least provide a an actual point for you to counter, instead of merely insulting you and then leaving you with nothing.

As to whether you bother me? Actually I could careless about all this. I don't know this waters7 guy (gal?) and probably will never meet him seeing as I have no interest in meeting any MW members. And I could care even less about the HG debate. HG or at least Robotech as a franchise is a dying beast, the way I see it, and they are trying to pump out as much sub par merchandise as possible to combat that slow death. This is my opinion and is not a matter to be debated.

I thought my assembly line analogy worked quite well. The further removed on the hierarchy you are from the executive decisions being made, the less likely you are to be informed about why and how such decisions are made. How far up the hierarchy was Tony that he would know the ins and outs of everything about Robotech?

No one ever expected Tony to know everything about Robotech, but it's ridiculous to assume the people involved with the production of Robotech wouldn't have some inkling of it's origins. Certainly the fact that the animation was already produced (very unusual for an animated project) and noticeably divided into three stylisticly different section would have been a big clue to somebody experienced in animation. Furthermore, Tony was no stranger to japanese animation dubbing productions when he started working on Robotech.

But you seem to assert so and never validated the assertion. Tony does not need to do research because he was involved in Robotech's production as a voice actor and so he obviously knows everything needed to make an informed documentary already.

Next time I'll include some graphs and charts in my posts, so it'll be easier to understand and I won't have to explain everything out for you. 

That's thoughtful of you but you will find that I am plenty proficient at English language skills. However, if you feel that they will make your case stronger, by all means include them.

Oh how I love arguments online! Nothin' more entertaining to look at on the web in my opinion.

Yes they are quite entertaining, though you seem to have drawn yourself into it. Not very objective. As for myself, debating in and of itself is quite entertaining, especially when I have no stake in it.

vinnie

I wonder if Tony is planing in going the way of "Oh yeah, we create something new from scratch, and thanks to us, Macross became a major hit through out the whole world, blah blah blah" when he creates his documentary or if he is actually planing to do some major research on the subject....

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Don't be stupid. The people originally involved with Robotech are perfectly aware of the origins of the cartoon.

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I keep forgetting that on the internet, people will always deviate from the core argument. Strawman.

The original question was whether Tony will do research for his documentary or will it be a propaganda piece for HG. The question is a valid one and to be called stupid for it is to lack insight into the nature of the question as well as a lack of manners. To presume that he [Tony] knows everything about SDF:Macross, SDC:SC and Genesis Climber Mospeada already just because he was a voice actor for Robotech is a ridiculous assumption. He may be more involved than just as voice talent and so may know more, but then the onus of proving that is on the person asserting that he does know more.

To assume that anyone who works for HG doesn't know that the origins of "robotech" stem from Japan is insanity.

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It wouldn't be a problem if the only mention of the history of Robotech in the documentary is that it used Japanese animation because even as a kid, I recognized the stylisitc elements of Robotech as being Japanese. I just didn't understand why the quality of the story went down after RT:TMS. But there is so much more to that history. Like how three series that comprise Robotech, or the distribution of rights for Macross and why we aren't getting the newer releases of Macross in the US, or how Macross is and remains a critical success in Japan and in some parts of the world before Robotech even showed up. Will this be covered in the documentary or will it just go and say how Robotech popularized Japanese animation and look at all the cool new Robotech things that are coming out.

I'm not even going to argue this. I can't even think of an analogy for an assertion so ridiculous. Asking someone to cite this, is like asking me to cite how exactly I figured out how to utter my first word as an infant. I'm not sure how I figured it out, but I'm 100% positive that I indeed spoke a first word.

I thought my assembly line analogy worked quite well. The further removed on the hierarchy you are from the executive decisions being made, the less likely you are to be informed about why and how such decisions are made. How far up the hierarchy was Tony that he would know the ins and outs of everything about Robotech?

And really, my original post was merely to point out yellowlightman's callousness and the lack of merit whatsoever in his post. I don't really care to attack or defend Robotech. There's never an accounting for taste so, why bother?

vinnie

My source is common sense. You think animation just magically appeared in Harmony Gold's offices and they figured "Hey, someone here must have designed this?"

I understand that some people really really dislike HG, but the common belief held here on MW that everyone involved with HG is some fire-breathing heartless bastard who's entire existence is focused on creating lies about a 20 year old cartoon and duping anime fans into believing something other than the obvious truth is ridiculous and downright ignorant.

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Does the assembly worker know how the stuff he/she makes works or gets designed? Does the lab tech understand why he/she does labs as a part of the bigger research problem? No, they do what they are told and call it good as long as they get paid. Involvement does not signify understanding or even knowledge.

So unless you provide sources, like some people did, you're just fanning the flames and your post serves no purpose except to incur anger. For all you know, they could have hired someone off the streets to do the voice talents (which in the case of Reba West, sounds like it) and couldn't give the slightest damn about the history of the animation.

And really, what would you call a one liner calling someone stupid be anything but trolling?

vinnie

Then why is the audience a perfect mirror image?

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Because there are angled mirrors behind the robot. the mirrors don't run all the way down so the people on the right are torsos chopped on to various legs. you can see the same on the other side too where the guys bag is not blocking.

vinnie

Don't be stupid. The people originally involved with Robotech are perfectly aware of the origins of the cartoon.

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Don't be an ass. You don't know that and are assuming. And if you do, then state your sources.

vinnie

I admit, I was doubtful when I heard of it's early troubles, but X3 keeps looking better over time. On the otherhand, Superman has left be feeling bland. Only time will tell, but I'm more excited about X3 than Supes.

vinnie

Since I know everyone on this board has been dying to know what I look like, here's an itsy bitsy photo of me. That way if you stare too long you'll get cross eyed.

vinnie

HOLY CRAP! Those models are beautiful! What is HW2 and where can I get it???

vinnie

I thought it was rather entertaining. Sure there are plotholes and you really have to suspend your disbelief, but overall this was really well done. It's a good balance of action, comedy, and thriller. I would easily recommend this movie to anyone.

vinnie

I sure as hell hope Lois Lane's kid ain't Supes from back in II where they made out. Cause that would just blow. I can just imagine it. Supes is in trouble and calls out to his son to search for his Krytonian roots and get super strength to save daddy.

vinnie

Is it me or does Wolverine seem to have developed a bit of a pot belly? It's also disturbing that the costume have a V pattern on the chest that leads down to a codpiece.

Beast could have looked worse. He could be dressed in only an underwear like the comics. BTW shouldn't beast be huge compared to Logan?

vinnie

What software do you use to design those? Is it hard? I'm interested in doing something like that for fun.

vinnie

Personally I think the entire JLU is a$$ with horrorific artwork and redesigns. Sure the story's and characters are easly identifable, but the whole Batman Beyond style was play'ed out by the end of it's second year and now it's just poor looking. The Teen Titans are the same way and MAD should be strung up for what he did to The Batman designs... & the 3D.... gods below!!! 

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To each his own. I don't really mind the art in JLU at all. Sure it was simple and sometimes even ugly (beginning eps of last season), but overall, I can overlook it because the stories are phenomenal. The direction and execution of the story is unbelievable tight and well done. I always thought the JL was hokey until this series came out. As for The Batman series, I saw one ep and I hated the designs. They are grotesque. At least with JLU, with its bold lines and colors, its still easy to see the human-ness under it all. If sacrificing art quality gave me more seasons with excellent stories than I say go for it.

vinnie

BTW, it was soooo good to finally see Superman unleashed! I'm so tired of this "Boy Scout" routine.

vinnie

Actually I was disappointed. It was too rushed! These last two eps should have had a longer story development. It became trite because it really felt deus ex machina to me. This no where near the finesse the Cadmus story arc of last season had all the way up to the conclusion. I don't understand why there is no new season. This has got to be THE best animated show on TV right now.

vinnie

I was getting a bit tired of the Legion of Doom story arc. Sure it came up with some nice fun episodes (love the Flash and Supergirl ones, everything else is eh), but all season long, I've been waiting for the kind of stories that made last season so great: seeing Cadmus trash the Watchtower, Luthor merging with Brainiac. Then we get the wallop. Darkseid is back and he wants vengeance. Earth gets invaded. Supergirl is no longer around. I can't wait to see how this plays out.

vinnie