Seto Kaiba
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Nah, not s'much war and fighter planes as love stories set against a backdrop of interstellar war. My advice would be that, if you're not averse to 80's animation, start with the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross. If you'd prefer a more modern starting point, Macross Frontier is also extremely accessible to new fans and doesn't really require that you have foreknowledge of the previous stories.
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Really? My reaction would be the opposite... because the Macross II songs are portrayed as being extremely popular. Didn't that one singer Mylene met (Alice Holiday?) have one in her repertoire, and she's supposed to be a singer who always has her singles make the top 10? Whether the Jamming Birds are a "take that!"... well, that's another story.
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Actually, I've done both... you might have noted I'd only said that the consistency of it was enough to make you wonder. ... and you have to admit, the sheer volume of Macross II music that shows up in City-7, from the radio to live performances by pretty much every other musician in Macross 7, would be enough to make anyone noticing the connection wonder at the in-universe status of Macross II. Especially considering that II was a sequel to DYRL?, and DYRL? is a "movie-within-the-universe" that also makes an appearance in Macross 7. That is officially isn't doesn't do anything to diminish how bizarre it is. EDIT: Edited the first sentence for tone. It's been a long day, and it came off as rude in hindsight. My apologies.
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Well... I'd say it's less a "may not be true" and more an Obi-Wan-style "certain point of view" thing. Irony of ironies, there's a fair amount of circumstantial evidence that suggests that Macross II: Lovers Again may be EXACTLY THAT to the main Macross timeline. The girl who performs "Banana Moon of Love" in the first episode of Macross II (or someone who has the same appearance) shows up a few times, and almost every non-Fire Bomber song in the series is pinched from Macross II. The consistency of it makes you wonder if, from an in-universe standpoint, Macross II: Lovers Again is a hit movie or TV series. You got a lot of catching up to do...
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Depends which version of the Macross universe you're talking about... and, on top of that, who you're asking. Kawamori himself is a bit airy-fairy about the whole affair, because he doesn't want to worry about anything more than the "broad strokes" of the past story when developing something new... so he doesn't end up hogtied by the established stories the way Gundam's UC timeline has been. He's also sometimes tried to cut a dash between the two versions of Space War 1 and said that the true version of events is actually somewhere in the middle... On the other hand, the Macross Chronicle encyclopedia and other print sources tend to be more definite about what happened, and when, why, and how. It's takes more of a "flexible continuity" approach that favors the series versions of any particular Macross title, but exhibits the now-typical pattern which Macross titles follow, where stuff from the movies ends up existing in the timeline anyway... but possibly not in the context that they appeared in the movie. (Like how the DYRL version of the VF-1 is supposed to be just later production blocks of the VF-1, or the way series and DYRL aethstics are sometimes seen side-by-side as in Macross 7's in-universe filming of the "Lynn Minmay Story", or Macross Frontier's Longest Birthday episode. Then you've got the DYRLverse to which Macross II: Lovers Again belongs... where the creators of that OVA and its prequels made their work into a continuity that was firmly defined (ala Gundam). That now stands as a "parallel world" continuity to Macross proper and has a fair amount said by its creators about precisely what the status of the stories that belong to it is. That version has DYRL's version of events as the more accurate of the two... As far as the main Macross timeline goes, that could probably be written up as artistic license... since the animation quality was a lot higher than the series to which it was originally an epilogue. Either that or they're drawn older for symbolic purposes to show they've matured... I'm sure you could find as many explanations as they are people to ask. Not necessarily... you've got a fair few other Macross titles, like Macross 7, Macross 7 Trash, or Macross 30 that all seem to point to Minmay really having written/performed Do You Remember Love? before she disappeared in 2016. Of course, many of those also fall into that aforementioned "mixes series and movie aesthetics" the-truth-is-somewhere-in-between category mentioned above. (Like in the Macross 30 story, where Minmay, Hikaru, and Misa have their DYRL appearances but Kamjin is clearly series Kamjin instead...)
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Nope... the US version wasn't cut, except for the Macross II the Movie edition which removed the ending credits from episodes 1-5 and OP from episodes 2-6. The Manga Ent. DVD version of the "movie" edition included a clean version of the Ep1-5 ED as a "music video". I think most of the instrumental stuff from the Macross II OST 2 is just background music they made but never really found a use for...
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IIRC, Flashback 2012 was originally conceived as the epilogue for the Macross TV series... though it's more an epilogue for both the way it was finished.
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And see it I did... I'm very excited about this. Subtitles or no, I'll cheerfully plunk down my cash for a HD copy of Macross II: Lovers Again so I can maybe retire my ancient, battered copy of the Manga Entertainment DVD edition. (Actually, not having the godawful English dub might be considered a bonus feature in and of itself...)
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Let me summarize my position on this in the shortest possible manner: DO WANT.
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Heh... and here was me, hoping and wishing that the VF-11 Thunderbolt or VF-4 Lightning III would get one next. Oh well, didn't stop me from preordering that the instant someone passed me the link. Tuesday after never? (Sad, I know.)
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Not to mention the official versions don't have Robotech art by Tommy Yune on the cover...
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It's an odd touch, for sure... in his B-Club 79 interview, Ken'ichi Yatagai elaborates on that a fair bit. The way he describes it, the UN Forces have an annual open, media-heavy audition/contest that they hold to choose the performer and song(s) that'll be that year's Minmay Attack if the military locates and engages any hostile Zentradi forces. The UN Forces in the Sol system also have their annual VF stunt-flying competition that's a major publicity event for them, and the winning pilots are the ones who end up in the idol propaganda role (this one's actually mentioned directly, early in the first episode).
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Actually, there's a guide to the recommended sorting practice for Macross Chronicle in its binders in each issue... IIRC it's on the inside of the back cover. I sort everything into binders according to that sorting scheme and I use the provided tabbed separator sheets to keep sections that share a binder apart. I had my separator sheets laminated, the same way I did with the previous ed., so they hold up a bit better and there's no possibility of ink transfer between the two.
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Dunno 'bout a binder for the covers... I've just been keeping them in an envelope because the only cover that actually mattered from the first edition was #50's, which had errata. I just cut that out and taped it to the back of one of my 1E binders. Yeah, I've always separated mine out into binders... that glue that they use to hold the issues together isn't meant for the long haul.
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Never had a problem with HLJ, either in communication or sales. Sure... doesn't HLJ have a listing for the binders themselves along with the issues? They did when I bought mine (didn't wanna get stuck in the same situation as last time, where binders became unavailable before I had all 5 I needed, so I got all mine right when I started). 'course, because the first issue comes with one, I ended up with nine binders when, AFAIK, I'm only supposedly going to need eight. EDIT: Yep, they have binders listed as In Stock: http://www.hlj.com/product/DIGWMSP/Boo
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It varies depending on the type of media, the operating system on your computer, and some other factors... but when it comes to DVD players, generally speaking the answer is "No" unless you have a region-free player. Most Macross releases don't have English subtitles, no... the forthcoming (is it still forthcoming?) box set of the two movies for Macross Frontier stands out because it actually DOES.
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Just got issues 48-53... just in time for 54 and 55 to go live for preorder on HLJ. Loving the cover piece for 52.
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Something with a bit more agility and grunt in the engine then... the max-tuned VF-0S Skull Leader type I was using definitely won't cut it.
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Okay... I figure this is the right place to ask for a bit of a tip on the Vanquish races. 's there a particular VF y'all would recommend for Vanquish races? I'm not too far into the game yet, and I'm having trouble hitting the time targets for certain blueprints and so on with the planes I have. Any pointers would be grand.
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You mean that unseen bloke who killed a Vajra with a pinpoint barrier punch in Macross Frontier's 7th episode? I don't think we've had anything about him in Chronicle. At least, I don't think he's mentioned on the Episode Sheet. 'bout the only thing I can recall is that one of the manga adaptations that was made for the series replaced him with a female officer named Ariela who did get at least a little face time.
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Not very... I think I'm on story mission 2-4. I've been taking my time about it, trying to get all the guild quests and fighter models and option packs as I go. Definitely makes getting the PS3 feel worth it though... I'm having a grand time. It's not my first run-in with the game's story though, the admin at the Macross MUSH I'm on got a copy, and had me help him through the menus and so on when he first got it. Y'know, you could've just said "In the foreword"... that would've been enough. Anyway... 's not the first time the creator of a series has said one thing and done something else entirely. Still, I don't think we're looking at a pair of mutually exclusive propositions. Kawamori's made it clear that he's only really concerned with the broad strokes of the story when he's dreaming up the next installment, and he and his fellow staffers have repeatedly put together beautifully detailed and comprehensive material that tells us how all the various Macross works in the official setting fit together, what happened when, and so on. Between Kawamori's position and Chronicle, we're all able to have our cake and eat it too...
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Eh? I haven't finished Macross 30 yet, but it's no mystery when it's supposed to be set. One of the first things Leon establishes is that it's 2060, and from the sound of things the dust has barely settled on the war with the Vajra in the previous year. Have they actually confirmed that yes, the events depicted in Macross 30 are part of the official Macross continuity? Just giving the date doesn't guarantee that it's actually part of the official setting's events/history. There are, after all, loads of games that aren't considered part of the official setting/chronology/canon and thus aren't on the official timeline either. As far as the Musiculture show goes, I don't think there are any conflicts keeping it from being official setting, but that at least is a narrative... basing Crossover Live on the movies is all well and good, but it's just the framing for a live concert. Either way, I can't quite see them including it, since the timeline thus far has stuck principally to animation or titles with animation (e.g. M3 and VF-X2). I suppose we'll know one way or the other by this time next year, when Chronicle finishes its run and we have the complete, updated version of the official Macross timeline. I'm really liking Macross 30 (I recently got a PS3 just to play it), so it wouldn't hurt my feelings even slightly to have it land on the official continuity.
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Could I get a specific example or two? Like publication and page number? I really am curious about this, and my collection of post-Macross 7 is mainly of the art books and roman albums variety. Still... like I said previously, you can call it whatever you like: "official line", "canon", you can even refuse to name it. It doesn't mean it isn't there, especially when they've consistently made a serious effort to decide how everything fits together and what the specifics of this stuff are and put in print in art books, magazine interviews, and Macross Chronicle going back as far as the original series. If they're telling us straight up what is and what ain't a part of the official, authentic Macross setting (AKA the story's "Universe"), they're telling us what is and what isn't canon. A rose by any other name... True, it might... or it might be that there's a consistent rationale in play going back at least as far as Macross: a Future Chronicle. Granted, the "Crossover Live" thing used the movies... but like Macross the Musiculture, is that actually part of the official Macross chronology? It's not looking like the stage musical and concert are. EDIT: Now if Macross Chronicle decides to include Macross 30 on the official series chronology, all bets are off due to temporal shenanigans...
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As far as the official Macross continuity set down in Macross Chronicle goes, he died... because the timeline there treats the series version of events as the true version, and the movies are something separate off in left field. I don't recall seeing it anywhere other than the disclaimer in the back of Variable Fighter Master File's five volumes... can you point me to some other examples then?
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Eh... that's a bit wide of the mark, ain't it? The term "official setting" is only used in Variable Fighter Master File, and only then as a way of explaining that the content of those books (which are written from an in-universe perspective) is not reflective of the official Macross chronology or its technical setting. The very way it's used implies the existence of a canon... a list of approved works and official information that is considered true or authentically part of the official Macross setting that Master File doesn't entirely fit with. If you wanna call it the "official line" or something else, that doesn't change that they've put a considerable amount of effort over several decades into defining what's what in rather specific terms. Going back as far as Macross: Perfect Memory, we've got official timelines and tech specs and the story pieces that fill in the gaps in the series and tell us what happened and how... even during the timeskip. Macross II's creators did their own in B-Club Magazine Vol.79's big piece about VF History and in Entertainment Bible 51: Macross II. Kawamori and co. did their own version in the Macross: A Future Chronicle thing that was put out with Macross Plus, that defined how DYRL fit with everything else. Hell, look no further than Macross Chronicle... the 1,600, going on 2,500+, page monument to definitively setting down what's what and exactly how things happened in the most unambiguous terms possible. Kawamori's made it clear he doesn't want to be bound to every little detail of his previous work while conceiving the next chapter of Macross, or waste time trying to rationalize away every little example of zeerust or changes in aesthetic, but there's no denying that there IS a canon at work here... and they've put a LOT of effort into its care and evolution (and a lot more into making us all buy it in 32 page installments at ~¥700 a pop). Personally, I like Kawamori's approach... there is a canon, but he's not going to sweat the little details when conceiving his next installment of the story.
