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Just to point out that if you have differential thrust control, as on the -0S, you can use it for yaw control in addition to the TVC, which would give you (pseudo-) 3D TVC versus the 2D TVC that most VFs have. anime52k8--do the foot paddles on the VF-0S work to control thrust in fighter mode as well?

Macross Plus dubbed in English was actually what got me hooked onto the Macross universe, years ago. I've only just got my hands on the English-subbed version, and I have to say that the dubbing was actually pretty good! Far better than what Robotech did to SDFM.

Its still pretty amazing that they predicted the name DVD-r and BR for Blue ray... unless maybe the engineers that developed this stuff are bigger Macross Fanboys than we ever could imagine?

You could ride on the whole 'Internet 2.0' thing and ask for donations towards your project as well as helpers... kind of like a super-massive-ultra-fansub group! I would be more than happy to donate to such a project. Afterall, if Trekkies can learn Klingon, it shouldn't be impossible with a real language

How so? Ultimately the aircraft still has the same setup (TVC, Flaperons, etc)

Wow! Looks like Ranka as a VF-Girl

You must be a cyborg then, to be able to withstand the VF-27 ride!

But doesn't the feet retract into the engine nacelles like all the other VF's? The 'ankle' wouldn't be able to act in pitch then. Oh well extra verniers should be able to take care of that... the VF-17 was a space fighter afterall.

Nice! I shall be waiting eagerly then. Good work!

Thanks! Yaw only TVC seems to be a poor choice but I guess they had no choice in order to slim down the profile of the VF-17.

Outstanding work, Gubaba! Its so interesting (and frustrating!) that all these in-universe tidbits are all in Japanese! Do you have any plans for working on the rest of the liner notes for Nyan Tra?

I've just rewatched the Deculture 1st episode, and one thing I noticed was that the VF-171 has feet that store in the same way as the YF-21, and so the thrust vectoring for the VF-171 is in the yaw axis instead of the pitch/roll axis like for most other VFs. I was wondering if the VF-17 had the same arrangement?

Yes it does, that was exactly what I was thinking and I got confused by some of the other threads I read. Thanks!

This is my first post here, and I want to resolve a question that has been bugging me ever since I saw the stats for the YF-19 on Macross Compendium. I have done a search, and there seems to be two trains of thought in this forum, so I just want to clarify which is correct. The issue is the following statement: Two 42700 kg [x g] class (maximum instantaneous thrust in atmosphere; 67500 [64700] kg [x g] class in space) Shinnakasu Industry/P&W/Roice FF-2500E thermonuclear turbine engines replacing two 56500 kg [x g] class (maximum instantaneous thrust in space) Shinsei Industry/P&W/Roice FF-2200B engines in beginning specifications. In atmosphere, the engines use air as coolant/propellant, but due to problems of cooling efficiency (caused by exceeding output and melting the core) the maximum thrust is limited to 40% to 60% of thrust in space. --http://macross.anime.net/wiki/YF-19 One train of thought goes: Thrust in atmosphere> thrust in space because in atmosphere you have air as a coolant/propellant, and in space you only have propellant, so that the bold part of the excerpt can be paraphrased: In atmosphere, the engines use air as coolant/propellant. In space, due to problems of cooling efficiency (caused by exceeding output and melting the core) the maximum thrust is limited to 40% to 60% of thrust. However, to me, that doesn't seem to fit with the entire statement, taking into account that: 1)Instantaneous thrust in atmosphere<Instantaneous thrust in space 2)Space propellant is effectively a coolant since propulsion is achieved by heating and expelling the propellant Which gives rise to the second train of thought: Thrust in Space>Thrust in atmosphere since the propellant carried by the VF should (logically) be a better heat conductor and have a higher specific heat than air so the engines can work at higher temperatures. Hence the bold part of the excerpt can be paraphrased: In atmosphere, the use of air as a coolant/propellant in the engines result in problems of cooling efficiency (caused by exceeding output and melting the core), so the maximum (atmospheric) thrust is limited to 40% to 60% of (maximum) thrust in space. The second train of thought then raises a question-- why use air at all? Given the thermonuclear reaction engines(which I assume are closed cycle), the use of air effectively gives the VF unlimited range in atmosphere which could be enough of an advantage that the space propellant is not used in the main engines, but only in the veniers. So, if you have stayed with me through the explanation, can anyone give the final verdict on whether the 1st line of thought is right, or the 2nd line of thought is right? (Or am I wayyy out of line because this has been flogged like a dead horse?)