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I can say only one thing - "Sv-262 Draken III" one of the most beautiful and elegant war machines in the "Macross" universe ... And some details about this miracle - the secrets of transformation!
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I, in these parts, often repeated assertion that the poor planetary colonies and expeditionary fleets can not afford to have a good military equipment and, at best, they get a monkey model of Space-UN. However, in the "Frontier", and now in the "Delta" demonstrates a completely different situation - military units of private military organization "Chaos" and the Knights of the border of the world have the latest fighting machines. However, regular troops NUNS do not even have to "VF-171EX Super Nightmare Plus" arms, not to mention the aircraft from VF-24 family. Strangely it all ...
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By the way, for all the past episodes of "Delta", variational fighters "SV-262 Draken III" never used "energy shields", but actively used holographic interference... It turns out that the "Knights" does not possess the "barrier" technology? But why?
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Macross Δ (Delta) Mecha/Technology Thread - READ 1st POST
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Interesting, but then the question arises as to the basis of the "stolen" technologies Anti-UN force able to develop a variational mecha almost faster than the United Nations? Incidentally, the "Macross" since crashed to Earth in 1980 on some island, right? But at that time there was a "Cold War" and when the island was under the control of the United States and / or their allies, Russia could not gain access to alien technology, regardless of the fact that the UN speaks of "international cooperation" ... -
Macross Δ (Delta) Mecha/Technology Thread - READ 1st POST
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http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/crossoverrp/images/5/5d/SV-51.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150715003649 I have a question for the "theft of technology", or rather confusion around it. On the "Macross Mecha Manual" is written that "Armed with OverTechnology illicitly obtained from the U.N.G.'s military programs, the A.U.N. developed their own variable fighter designated the SV-51." But in the Anti-UN pilots dialogue set out opposite version: "284 00: 23: 44.468 -> 00: 23: 46.219 The new fighter UN forces ... 285 00: 23: 46.720 -> 00: 23: 50.557 This is just a modification of the system, which they stole from us. 286 00: 23: 51.016 -> 00: 23: 52.309 It is not an obstacle to us. 287 00: 23: 53.143 -> 00: 23: 56.521 According to the Joint Institute, they did not kidnap her. 288 00: 23: 57.189 -> 00: 23: 59.649 All technologies must meet the needs of national relations ... 289 00: 23: 59.858 -> 00: 24: 02.444 And be open to the public. 290 00: 24: 04.529 -> 00: 24: 08.408 If they believe in this nonsense, then you must show it to them. " So who, in the end, right? -
It was cool! New technical equipment for the VF-31 planes and units "Alpha" and "Gamma" in the battle ... An impressive battle between "chaos" and "Knights of the Wind", which Hayate spectacularly saved both her girlfriends ... Superbly opened mutual relations and motivation of characters, and thank God that there were no whining ... I mean, post-traumatic stress syndrome and other pacifism ... Convincingly demonstrated the causes of "haste" in the subjects of the Kingdom of the Wind ... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By the way, where is the downright, religious attitude is to "wind" and not the "five elements" such as shamanism? And unlike that windemer are descendants of birds ... So what could be the reason?
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Well, a new episode has provided answers to some questions in the field of geography and history, which is partly clarified the causes and extent of the conflict ... In addition, we have demonstrated a new, and more specifically the old technologies that have passed their alternative way of development ... But most importantly, we have shown in detail the characters, thereby revealing their identity ... Very good episode
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Yeah, that's what I had in mind - even if these "Knights of the Wind" it is possible to use a "syndrome", in the long term it has little capacity ...In the end, this phenomenon "Valkyrie" may have to fight, and that is when, for example, the impact of their songs will be broadcast over long distances and the area? Luxurious, but small units unable to cope with a large and a professional army...They can not be so stupid, that would not be understood http://macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/yf-21/yf-21-transformation1.gif http://macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/yf-21/yf-21-transformation2.gif http://macross2.net/m3/macross7/vf-17d-nightmare/vf-17d-transformation.gif In any case, it is much easier than VF-19 or VF-24 family, not to mention such models as the VF-9 and VF-14... In the classical scheme of the machine body (in transformation mode "fighter") break in two along the central transverse axis so that the back half of the motors and the fins, which form the arms and legs in the modes "gerwalk" and "battroid", tilted downwardly and rearwardly, and the front, with the cockpit blister - down and forward, turning nose cone to the ground. From the center of the body extends head c anti-aircraft gun. An interesting detail: at the VF-1 anti-aircraft laser turret in aircraft configuration located under the floor and was sent forward, but all later "Valkyrie", "classic" scheme starting with VF-11, and then she was on the top and "looks" back. However, the VF-21 fixed head forms the middle part of the body, located behind the cab. Almost similarly, too, in principle, the "classic" is modified and gorgeous "invisible" fighterVF-17S / D Nightmare, but his transformation center as compared to the VF-21 significantly shifted to the fore and is still stationary section just with the cockpit (of which the top extends and takes place on the one hundred and eighty degrees - facing forward - the head with a pair or chevёrkoy guns), and down recline only nose fairing, opening strongly protruding from his chest formed "battroida" cylindrical section with hidden inside place the pilot and embedded in it at the sides by two powerful infrared (thermal) laser with a short, thick trunks ... As you can see from these examples, even on the basis of a simple circuit, you can create a variety of interesting and reliable option
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An interesting and beautiful episode in which we learn that: 1) Freyja and her compatriots live about 30 years 2) In addition to Ragna in this sector of space, there are several colonies UNS 3) how the looks of transformation from the SV-262 It is not clear why and what "The Kingdom of the Wind" has declared war on the "United Nations," because it is clearly inferior in resources and population, and it is unlikely that it has a technological advantage? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- P.S. I can not understand why over time the designers "Valkyries" is increasingly trying to use more and more ornate and complex variants of transformation? After all, it only leads to complexity and high cost of production ... What's wrong with a simple classical scheme and its variations like the YF-21 and VF-171, well, or "alternative" VF-2SS Valkyrie II?
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The third episode turned out excellent! - The characters are revealed, landscape striking beauty - Animals cute beyond belief - The relationship between the Mirage / Hayate / Freya developing very interesting - Dogfight over and over throughout the magnificence demonstrated tremendous opportunities "Valkyrie" fighters In general, a lot of positive emotions
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Interestingly, while the inhabitants of Laguna / Ragna a local race or genetic modificants Oceanic cultures?
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Well, the fact is that in this "record" is about transformable tanks in the "UN Spacy" army and only
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By the way, is it possible to share zntradi into separate sub-race? I mean - if the skin color that is pale, dark-skinned and green; if the shape of ears, almost human, and there are elven, etc ...
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5) Civic models http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/streetfighter1v.jpg~original http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/streetfighter1.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/hurricaneboav.jpg~original http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/hurricaneboa.jpg~original The successes of robotics in the military sphere, determined the promotion of "variational mecha" in the civilian sector. At first, it was only about the use of refurbished VT firefighters and rescuers, but later widely used civil engineering "Hardworking", and then the immense popularity gained sports models involved in the race for survival and gladiator fights. For special category include homemade VT made by enthusiasts for original designs .... Well, ladies and gentlemen, all for today. In the next lecture, I will tell you about the features of the combat employment of "variational tanks" ...
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4) 2050s / Currently Urbanization colonized planets and the emergence of "space city" in a new class of ships "Macross" has led to the need for combat vehicles are not capable of causing considerable damage to environment. http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Vision/505_Sturgeonv.jpg~original http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Vision/505_Sturgeon.jpg~original What requirements have led to the development of a new generation of "variational tanks" adapted for close combat. New body structure has provided a wide range of movement, the standardization of the protection system on the basis of "point barrier" gave a powerful defense, in addition to the classic weapons and shields, as well as supporting "pack" "VT-45 Ymir" is equipped with a boomerang shaped blades fit for both melee and for throwing, a plus to this on his hands installed power knuckles. In general, the VT is designed for rapid onset and the imposition of a fight at close range, but do not regard it as highly specialized. On the contrary, he retained all of the best combat and technical capabilities of its predecessors, adding to them the melee, in addition, for it developed a unique system of "surfer", allowing yourself to descend into the atmosphere of planets. The approach to the development of the new machine in the spirit of "hero-defender" and led to a new design in the style of tech-knight.
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3) 2030 and / 2050s - while updating the concept of "land-based aircraft equipment" related to the active colonization of the planets and space exploration, as well as separatist incidents and activities of criminal organizations http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/SKGundam/ScudBikeVehicle.jpg~original http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/SKGundam/ScudBike.jpg~original Expansion possessions of mankind has led to the need for their protection. However, the establishment of permanent military bases «UN Spacy» required considerable financial and technical resources, as a result it was decided to establish local units Planetary Defense, equipped with an inexpensive and easy technique, whose main task was to either repel or hold out until the arrival of military rapid reaction force. The result of this approach to the design was the creation of a small and flexible VT, transformed in three wheeled "motorcycle" and the unusual robot. The most recognizable features of "VT-29 Troll" became "headlessness" and "reverse" scheme transformation. However, the standard arsenal is impressive - automatic gun or laser gun and rocket launcher, in addition to this user models may have different equipment options. The latter statement is true for the equipment - a modular system makes it easy to adapt mecha for natural conditions of any planet. Later, these bike were taken in as police mecha. http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Vision/darkedgev.jpg~original http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Vision/darkedge.jpg~original By 2030 th there was a need in newness of BT suitable for landing and infiltration operations. The brainchild of this concept was the "VT-31 Jotun." Assault combat vehicle, designed for lightning-fast counter-attacks and repression, as well as special operations. The overall appearance was made in terms of "threatening" design in respect of the suppression factor. In practical terms, declined to swivel turret, replacing it with a number of separate mounting points for arms and equipment that reduce the size and increase the possibility of fire in different directions. In addition, the added for mecha masking functionality and standard "Pack" system, as well as the possibility of autonomous action in outer space of colonies orbiting bases and asteroid stations. Another important innovation was the presence of a removable compartment for carrying eight Special Forces soldiers. Also, this model was the first "Thurs" equipped "pin point barrier" system
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/SKGundam/Mon-SoonoType20vehicle.jpg~original http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/SKGundam/Mon-SoonoType20.jpg~original "VT-07 Thurs" the first production combat vehicle of the series "variation of tanks." Robust wheel base allows you to move at high speed and considerable distance, saving legs resource, and a simple transformation scheme of the two regimes allow the elimination of additional equipment and special equipment for transportation of mecha, as well as apply hand-like robot manipulators for non-core tasks, replacing, if necessary, engineering equipment. The possibility to change the height of the profile and the benefits of anthropomorphic design played a positive role in the flexibility of tactical use of VT, for example, they could keep shooting from the corner or under the cover of a low building. A good armor scheme on the basis of "movable frame" and divided the internal volume provided high survivability of the combat vehicle and the catapult was provided for the pilot. A large number of diverse arms mounted with the calculation of the maximum power of the fire at liberty "hands", combined with the latest computer systems allowed one pilot to fire at several targets in different directions, including back. System equipment weapons and equipment had a modular basis and makes it easy to re-equip VT under any specific task. In addition to the built-in weapons and had attachments for manipulators in the form of assault rifles and grenades. This model was equipped with a "brass knuckles" for the melee. First, they had a gas turbine unit as a motor, but by 2010 it was replaced by a thermo-nuclear reactor, which allowed re-equip them the energy conversion armor and beam weapons. Actually, all of these advantages and the successes in the battles with the military robots "Destroyers" series led to the adoption of into service as the main combat unit. During the "First Space" was held the first modernization is to complete the sealing of machines, replacement of solid fuel engines on fusion accelerators and equipping their limbs magnetic mount that allowed to exploit these bottles as mobile turrets, ambushes among the debris and asteroids, the protection of internal compartments "Fortress", and even attack enemy ships. In addition, the period also include the first recording of "armor" for VT of armored mounted modules and additional weapons. It is a great service these machines proved their necessity, which provided not only the resumption of production, but also the beginning of works on modernization of the series.
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http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/Mon-soonoPv.jpg~original http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/Mon-soono_proto.jpg~original Test samples of serial combat models have a number of specific design features - asymmetry of the body, the one-eyed sensor unit, the cockpit in the chest and unusual shape turrets. All these features have been associated with the search for optimal solutions in power plants, reservations, sensor systems and weapons. In fact, this series of bellows not find two similar machines. However, there is a common feature - a small solid-fuel motors acting compensators in the transformation - induced increase in the number of armor, weapons and equipment, and thus the increase in weight of the machine. Optimize the use of these tactics and "variational tanks", for example, after data collection in the tests and analyze, designers came to the conclusion that the creation of a common platform for the weapons to be more effective than the creation of highly specialized machinery. Incidentally, an interesting story associated with the occurrence of the code name for them - being, in many respects, "Valkyrie`s" antipodes, they have made a lasting impression on "VF" project manager and that, being a fan of Norse mythology, he decided to name it in honor of the mighty giants - "Thurs". At the time of launch in mass production is the informal name has stuck and came in the name of the production model. In field trials, these "variational tanks" for the first time took part in the actual fighting, and very successfully.
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1) 2000s / 2010s were a time of variational design concepts and technology development of entire series of unique and unusual prototypes, designed to define the limits of the effective use and application of the new tactics of combat vehicles. http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/unknown1v.jpg~original http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/unknown1.jpg~original The first samples were more like a tank with legs than real "transformers", but a reliable wheel undercarriage and the highest throughput, unique maneuverability, excellent stability and equipment of heavy weapons, combined with a fairly simple operation and the use of "over technology" made them an excellent and inexpensive alternative to conventional tanks. The chassis of the mecha-tanks, consisting of a combination of wheels on the foam rubber and mechanical legs allowed this type of combat vehicles to develop a high speed, and even buoyancy, keeping mobility even in case of damage of one of the "legs", as well as to use a very unusual tactical techniques to example, jumping or movement in the side. The uninhabited gun turret such hybrids has a modular structure that allows, in accordance with the combat mission, it is easy to replace the weapons and equipment, and is controlled by a helmet-mounted sight. The crew, thanks to automation driven to two people, located in the body in a special armored compartment, provide them with additional protection. These mek-tanks entered history as the "Quad." Although the "Quad" quickly become obsolete, they are proof, if the viability of the idea of changeable "combat walkers." I emphasize that a similar system of four pillars used on variable submarines "Oсtos". http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/trainerv.jpg~original http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b95/dandaman61/E7MAHQ/New%20Wave/trainer.jpg~original Further development of the class "variational tanks" was due to the full development of variable machine capable of switching between a tank and robot forms, combining their best features. At a certain stage, designers are faced with the problem of choosing the optimal configuration variants, resulting in, a number of quite interesting model, but in the end settled on the most simple and effective system. Given the many advantages mek over the classic machine and already existing strengths in bipedal technology, the developers decided to make a "foot" basis of the wheel bearing, and "hands" additional armor on the body in the mode of the tank and the suspension of arms in the form of robots, built weapons established in the form of a rotary turrets and scabbard on his shoulder, and the cockpit placed in the "head". In fact, it was no longer a hybrid tank and robot, but a meha with an alternative travel mode. Which, incidentally, played a positive role in the melee range. In addition, the prototype implemented well proven self-healing traffic control technology - its essence lies in the fact that the on-board computer can determine the damage received by the various elements of the design mechanism and correct operation of the remaining elements of the whole so as to completely restore control. Also in this mecha it has perfected a system of automated fire control and distribution of defeats the purpose. Although the prototype and was, in fact, just a demonstrator concept, but a good combination of "over technology" and the simple constructive solutions allow to use it as laboratory and training machines.
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History variational tanks Recording a lecture delivered by Major (Retired) «UN spacy» Vladimir Bachmeier for the cadets of the Military Academy "Sun Tzu" in the year 02/18/2055 http://static3.fore.4pcdn.de/premium/Screenshots/6e/b5/1701588-vollbild.jpg Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. Today's lecture on military affairs will be devoted to the history of the development of "land" part of our forces, more precisely, "transforming tanks." These combat vehicles have come a long way from the first prototypes to the latest modern models, has repeatedly proved its indispensability and efficiency even in the current era of space wars. But first things first… The collapse of the alien spaceship, codenamed «SDF-1", in the South Ataria at the end of the 20th century completely changed the human`s idea of the universe. The undisputed fact of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence, no less than human inclined to fight and great technology, whose level in many times surpasses our best achievements, opened the way to the real space exploration. However, the temptation to use the newly acquired power to gain absolute power over the world proved too much - the last superpower and its allies have tried to monopolize the treasures of "Star Wanderer". In contrast this dictation, was created by "Alliance" of states, seeking to change the status quo and achieve real "United Nations". This confrontation has become the source of a string of local conflicts and regional wars. But the war is not in vain called "the engine of progress" and "Unification War" have contributed to the rapid adaptation of aliens "over technology" in various fields, in particular on military equipment. In addition to the rapid modernization of weapons and protection systems as well as power plants of traditional military hardware, appeared and a new class of combat vehicles. At first, it was a reworking of alien combat exoskeletons in combat robots that are suitable for use in human beings. Although these works were successfully completed, any applied research questions, such as transport, the tactics they use and pilot training... An original solution to the problems was the amazing "transformation technology" found in «SDF-1" and allowed to combine the best qualities of classic military and robotics. Why such an unusual approach led in the case of fighter you know from previous lectures, and now look at the evolution of armored vehicles.
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How to say? At first I just wanted to know the opinion of fans of "Macross" about this idea - I, for example, during the first viewing of the original "Macross" puzzled the presence of very good mek, transforming into a fighter, and a crowd of assorted piece of iron instead of transformable tanks ... we receive some "asymmetry", perhaps? However, "Seto and Co" decided to convince me that "this can not be, because it can not be, ever," though their arguments contradict themselves ... And in the end, everything depends on what Kavomiri simply like airplanes, the rest of the military equipment just for what would have been something explode on the screen ...So I think of a kind of "alternative history", in which the variation tanks will replace the "Destroyers" I'll try to sketch a fanfic ... Such is the result of a dispute - a small, but still achieving
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Okay, the removal of the old fighting vehicles with weapons and their subsequent alteration in the civil construction machinery can be called a stroke of genius in terms of saving But, do not provide them with adequate substitute for military service it is idiocy As a result, "City 7" nothing defend and have to withdraw, "Valkyrie" from the front line Once again, the idea is not to recast "Patrol" in combat vehicles, and in the creation on their base of small transformable fighting vehicles - on the similarity of "VM 9 Silverback" from one fanfic http://s9.photobucket.com/user/vestras/media/Robotech/VM-9LSilverback-01.jpg.html http://s9.photobucket.com/user/vestras/media/Robotech/VM-9LSilverback.jpg.html http://image01.seesaawiki.jp/h/n/harmony-gold_japan/815f0d7f0c488a31.gif Color version with explanations and notations http://image02.seesaawiki.jp/h/n/harmony-gold_japan/cc3f93ed7e6c0652.jpg Several objections: 1) detachment of the attackers were even less 2) an opponent whose "Valkyrie" have been at the technological level "VF-27" and "VF-171EX Nightmare Plus" stood on the garrison weapons - it is not called an overwhelming difference 3) would have ground troops inadequate equipment and training then would not have to recall "Valkyrie" from the front line Again:1) "VF-0D" was not able to destroy the "Octos" shooting of "GPU-9" with an extremely close range, he could not even seriously damage it 2) "VF-0S" was not cool their laser guns armor "Octos" case, but only to shoot off his leg hit the joint and destroy rocket launchers In turn, "Octos" easily destroyed "Destroyers" from the shore detachment... Here are just a "Macross Zero" has been used successfully on the coast and in the interior of the island That is, not every "Valkyrie" can operate effectively under water? Then I do not care how much they can dive... Only two of them. And, not from return fire from normal MS, but from personal models against which in battle can only survive mecha level "Delta Plus" and "Unicorn". But the usual MS destroyed by "Lotto" was no less than 8 with no losses from the Federal forces even after they were discovered and fired... "D-50C Lotto" little more than a brand new "Cheyenne II", but no worse than armed and can engage in melee combat. Also, this can serve as transport for the fighters. Plus, his transformation of the system is quite simple and does not require any highly complex action... On the "Mecha Talk - the official forum of www.MAHQ.net" is a separate issue which was discussed about mek of "the Eureka 7", and where the data lined after translation sources... And what prevents to do off-road version with a rotary turret? That's right, nothing ... By the way, the "Mont Soono" just turning the turret http://smg.photobucket.com/user/SKGundam/media/Mon-SoonoType20.jpg.html In conjunction with the tactics of anti-tank ambushes will be very effective
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Is there, at least, a rough list of the participating countries of the coalitions? And what was the strategic sense in most of these operations? In terms of... 1) what practical benefit from an attack on the Mars mission? 2) what the hell to destroy the weapon against the aliens? 3) why destroy one of the cities of his allies? Eastern Europe - is Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East German, Hungarian People's Republic, Poland and Romania, but without Russia they simply will not have the financial and technical capabilities to develop such weapons ... Participation as Russia marks the beginning of full-scale "World War III" And why West Germany and France, even Israel, to break off relations with the US UN? By the way, and on which side has been China? It turns out that to leave the "Alliance" Russia forced her own allies by attacking St. Petersburg? Too much weirdness:(
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That is, the "Destroyer" is too strong, and "Valkyrie" should be removed from the front line? It turns out that the idea - to make a relatively small "Variable Combat Car", suitable for dense urban areas with sufficiently powerful weapons to critical damage the enemy "VF`s" - suggests itself... Or maybe vice versa ... If we make assumptions, the police simply could not afford to have expensive equipment ... And what about the amounts - "VAPC / VSPC-07 Odonata (Variable Air Patrol Craft / Variable Space Patrol Craft)" in frame was enough As we can see in the "Delta", orbital defense weakly helps against a well-prepared enemy, so that the ground defense can`t be reject... Here are just a "Macross Zero" has been used successfully on the coast and in the interior of the island...It is ironic, given how easy it is "Cheyennes" died under fire "Octos" in "Macross Zero" That's just even "VF-X2" for special operations in the water is forced to use "VA-3" ...To be honest, it is not considered to be "Zero", the only "Valkyrie", the sample in water at least a short time was a high-tech "VF-27" That does not prevent him from effectively destroy enemy units and to carry out operations of penetration ... If we compare the "Loto" to "VF-1", then at the height of "D-50C" even inferior to "Valkyrie" and only slightly higher than its weight ... replace the reactor and add energy conversion armor and ready variational "Destroyer": ) Unfortunately, accurate data on the characteristics of other "KLF" can not be found, however, even if the rate of "Mon-Soono" on the floor hundreds of kilometers per hour less than the slowest of the "Terminus" (260 km per hour), it is still It is faster than the "Destroyers" with very good armsBy the way, even on the "MAHQ.net" speed of "Terminus" to 260-300 km per hour is specified for "vehicle mode" ... I'm sorry, but you're wrong The concept of "itano circus" is familiar to you?
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I admit fault ... By the way, and what you are not satisfied with the metric system? - It seems to be used worldwide The use of rocket engines is a huge fuel consumption in operations on planets such as the Moon or Mars... A very controversial feature, from the point of view of usefulness Yeah, nice to get a target If you do not remember about the fact that this support service in robot mode http://pre09.deviantart.net/8cd1/th/pre/f/2013/327/8/5/robotech__spartan_001_by_leelf-d6vd7vu.jpg Interesting, what was the size of bribes to the military officials that they have adopted the armored vehicle with an unprotected cockpit?