LePoseur Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Just as long as Oshii keeps his pretentious, psychobabble, talking-head fingers off of "3rd Gig" then I'll be happy. His influence came perilously close to scuttling 2nd Gig in a few episodes. 331079[/snapback] Hear Hear! Oshii's films all look great, but I've never been happy with a single one of his "reimaginings" of other people's work. Hmm... actually, I take that back, Jinroh was good, but then again, I've never read any of the source material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 (edited) Just as long as Oshii keeps his pretentious, psychobabble, talking-head fingers off of "3rd Gig" then I'll be happy. His influence came perilously close to scuttling 2nd Gig in a few episodes. 331079[/snapback] Hear Hear! Oshii's films all look great, but I've never been happy with a single one of his "reimaginings" of other people's work. Hmm... actually, I take that back, Jinroh was good, but then again, I've never read any of the source material. 331080[/snapback] Jin Roh is his own creation. Besides the GitS films, what other "reimaginings" are you talking about? Also, I'm fairly certain that Oshii hasn't been involved with the GitS TV series at all. And even if he was, it's not as if Shirow isn't just as, if not more, guilty of going overboard with the philosophy. Edit: confirmed that Oshii was not involved with Stand Alone Complex or 2nd GIG. Edited September 24, 2005 by JELEINEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 (edited) Edit: confirmed that Oshii was not involved with Stand Alone Complex or 2nd GIG. 331087[/snapback] From Production IG's web page.... Ghost in the Shell: 2nd GigThe awaited follow-up to Stand Alone Complex. For this second season, Innocence-famed director Mamoru Oshii contributed with his ideas to the concept of the entire series right from the initial planning stages. The series maintains an episodic format and portrays Section 9 dealing with political issues such as invited refugees and nuclear intrigue. Another government institution, the Information Bureau of the Cabinet, comes up head-to-head against them. And a terrorist entity who calls itself the “Individual Eleven†joins the set. The in-depth storytelling of the series is likely to surpass the first series. Bold added for emphasis. Also, THIS interview with Kenji Kamiyama reveals that he intentionally tried to emulate Oshii. Edited September 24, 2005 by bsu legato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Okay. I couldn't find his name in the credits anywhere. Personally, I like Oshii, so it's good news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 I got a chance to finally get the first disc of SAC (ep 1-4). I like the shorter stories alot better than the movies. The plots don't get too heavy and you see more of the detective angle of the team. Togusa gets more screen time, which I think is a good thing, its easier for the audience to identify with the story through his eyes. I saw GITS2 Innocence a bit back and again recently, I m not sure what to make of it. Its a nice looking film but some of the plotlines were a little out there. 331151[/snapback] While I'll be the first in line to say that the first movie was overrated, I loved Inoncence. The pacing was good (Oshii really broke out of his normal mode in this one), but the plot is where I thought it really stood out. The best part about it is that he pulls this brilliant bait and switch. The entire film builds up leading the audience to think that it's some sort of post modern, existential story like the first one, but the pay off is that it turns out to be just your usual humans being shitty to each other. Very well played all around. I agree that Togusa getting screen time is good. In fact, I'd argue that he's as much the main character of the TV series as anyone. Honestly, I'm not a fan of the Major (another reason to like Innoncence). She just comes across as Shirow's Mary Sue, and is for the most part completely uninteresting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LePoseur Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) Besides the GitS films, what other "reimaginings" are you talking about? I guess Akira would be at the top of my list. Liked the manga up until I stopped reading it around issue 30 or so (old Marvel editions) but thought the movie was crap. Pretty crap but crap nonetheless. EDIT>> Man... nothing like confusing Katsushiro Otomo and Mamoru Oshii... Good thing I wasn't using that Otaku card for anything as I'll now gladly give it up. Edited September 25, 2005 by LePoseur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LePoseur Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) Edited... I am stupid Please see above... Edited September 25, 2005 by LePoseur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy's Blues Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Anime News Service reports Production IG director Kenji Kamiyama hinted during an interview that a follow-up to Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2ndGIG might be in the works, but that he didn't know what shape it might take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowlightman Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Jin Roh is his own creation. Besides the GitS films, what other "reimaginings" are you talking about? 331087[/snapback] Patlabor and Urusei Yatsura are the two that first come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortress_Maximus Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Those were excellent films (Pat 1&2, UY 1-3 & 5), definitely worth watching! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ly000001 Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 Episode 25 is now available from LMF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Jin Roh is his own creation. Besides the GitS films, what other "reimaginings" are you talking about? 331087[/snapback] Patlabor and Urusei Yatsura are the two that first come to mind. 332339[/snapback] He was one of the original creators of Patlabor. UY you might have a point. As much as I love Beautiful Dreamer, it is out of character for the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowlightman Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 He was one of the original creators of Patlabor. UY you might have a point. As much as I love Beautiful Dreamer, it is out of character for the series. 337193[/snapback] Are you sure Oshii was part of Headgear? i was under the impression he didnt have anything to do with the original creation of Patlabor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 He was one of the original creators of Patlabor. UY you might have a point. As much as I love Beautiful Dreamer, it is out of character for the series. 337193[/snapback] Are you sure Oshii was part of Headgear? i was under the impression he didnt have anything to do with the original creation of Patlabor... 337195[/snapback] He directed the original OVA series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaajin Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) Do any of you guys know where I can get ep 26?...Ive been watching the series relentlessly from ep 1-25 this week and cant wait to watch the finale~! Definitely a very smart & cool series. Thumbs UP! Or is it not yet out? Edited November 8, 2005 by aaajin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaajin Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 wo ho hoo...check the laughing man fansub for the finale~~~!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 UY you might have a point. As much as I love Beautiful Dreamer, it is out of character for the series. 337193[/snapback] I don't agree with you there. There is a TV episode that the movie expanded on and basically rehashed and it was just as peculiar. You are also forgetting about the tv episodes where all the main characters went to a haunted house on the beach and ended up dying one by one in pretty grotesque manners or where Ataru's mom had a weird introspective adventure where she went crazy. When Oshii directs, you never know where he's going to take the characters. As for why Patlabor II was so different from the first movie was that this time, the rest of Headgear decided to allow Oshii more creative control, whereas in the first, it was a collaborative team effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy's Blues Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Episode 26 is posted at the Laughing Man Fansub website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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