Master Dex

I played VF-X2, but without knowing Japanese, my explanation is not foolproof. What I got form it was you were a pilot in U.N. Spacey and your new squadron is trying to fight off a terrorist organization, but in the midst of this a rebel group that seceded from UNS is getting the terrorists help to overthrow UN Spacey because they believe they have been corrupted or something like that. The game lets you take two different paths at one point, which I've done both, one where your old mentor turns out be in the rebellion and you decide to stick with UN Spacey and fight him, which in the end it turns out the rebel group was right and you killed the only chance of stopping the corrupt UNS. The offical ending is you joining you mentors and together you work to stop the corrupted UNS people who have taken control of Macross 13, your mentor dies and you help destroy Battle 13 and that seems to be it there I believe. Also, question of my own, don't know how newbie it is because I tend to research this stuff for myself, but I'll just ask, what exactly are the differences from the prototype YF-19 and the VF-19 besides that the latter is the mass produced version, is the final product better than the original. My reason for asking is it seems everyone here talks about the YF-19 but never about the VF-19, so I wonder if it isn't because the YF-19 is better than the VF-19.

By looking at what we've seen of the Macross Quarter in ep.6 and the attacker mode ship in the opening, I am 99% certain that that is indeed the Macross Quarter, the head resembles the 'bridge' section, the arms look right (the right arm obviously being the one split open) and the legs can easily be folded back to match the Quarter's engines. Also of note is the two 'shoulder' pieces that are reminiscent of the SDF Macross match pieces on the upper back the Quarter in ship mode. I agree that Fold Dislocation represents a limitation in space fold technology, much like how in Star Trek, the faster you go in warp the higher the power requirements (on the TNG scale anyway) to a point where your requiring large amounts of power just to move even a little faster (of course that is when getting closer to warp 10, which is an impossible infinite speed requiring infinite power). However I think fold dislocation is something that can be overcome with more advancement in technology, but there will always be a limit to how far you can go in a certain time frame I believe.

I too wonder about the 19, by this time it would have been the main fighter for the U.N. Spacey for about 12 to 13 years at least. However we should take into account the apparent change in government as it is now New U.N. Spacey or N.U.N.S. Perhaps the new government didn't want to produce the 19 any further for whatever reason. Regardless we know the VF-171 just came into service in 2058, so it's new. If I were to conjecture, which I am, I'd say the 171 didn't replace the 19, but the VF-25 project was designed to replace the VF-19, and as a result we see S.M.S. is testing out the VF-25 (which I am curious why it is not YF-25 in this case). On this path I believe perhaps the VF-19 is still around, but Frontier simply doesn't have any or doesn't use them. Hey if we're lucky we may see a VF-19 pop in some time to show off how it looks in CG, and if we are really lucky it will be joined by a VF-22 which I believe was only a special forces fighter last we saw it, so it can still be around. Personally I'm not much of a fan of the 171 though, nor the 17, but that's just me. I've never liked the real world F-117 much either (from both an aesthetic and engineering standpoint).

Ok, that one was good, I got a laugh out of that. I tend to not make so many theories, but just let the show progress, but I'd be lying if I hadn't imagined different possibilities the show could take. However anything I imagined up had nothing to do with past series, personally I don't feel the need for this show to rely on the plot of another show. So everything that is the best of Macross then, I was mainly just liking the way you put it, 'kawamori-stuff', I like that. However I do agree with you, when I first saw Macross II I found myself wondering why this wasn't interesting me as much as the other stuff. That was before I really knew much about Kawamori and his involvement, now I do and I can safely say I am a fan of his works now.

Yeah... pass .

Technically we didn't defeat AFOS, it just left to parts unknown and took Sara and Shin with it. What technically constitutes Kawamori-stuff?

You know guys... perhaps we can just say the VF-25 Armored can fly in gravity, because after all this we know it surely can... and just leave it at that. Lets stop this battle, it is getting old. You can always agree to disagree. In the end this debate serves nothing since we do know the armored VF-25 can fly in gravity, whether by the science of you two or the fact that it did it in the show anyway. I'm just trying to resolve this issue as peacefully as possible. Edit: Well Sketchley seems to have beat me to it, we basically said the same thing.

I had thought of that, I was mainly offering the 75% gravity tidbit in aiding how the armored VF-25 is able to fly. I'd assume the engines are running more power to the thrust with the armor (or they output a lot of thrust at standard and don't use the max for a Valkyrie without armor). I could also believe that in 50 years time we could make an armor system out of lighter materials that offer similar or more protection.

Actually if you remember from episode 1, the gravity level on Macross Frontier is only set to .75 G. This could explain why the Armored VF-25 can hover inside the dome without too much problem, that is a lot lighter that Earth gravity. I so rarely post unless I feel I need to say something, maybe I should speak up more often. I've seen the raw and the Gattai sub (didn't bother looking at any others, the Gattai sub gave me a good idea as to what was going on, I don't analyze translation much), and I am really loving this show right now, especially the VF-25 which just looks gorgeous. Eagerly awaiting episode 3.

I agree, I've always liked sleeker jets myself. All my ideas for designs involve something usually looking very sleek. Although for space ships that really isn't necessary and therefor not needed (and I would be contradicting myself in my last post, lol). As for atmospheric or aerospace craft such as the Valkyries are, I go for something sleek because that helps negate air resistance. I believe the boosters on the armored VF-25 are connected to the wings. I believe the boosters have a sleeve or something the wings slide into, but this is all based on observation and screen shots I've taken from episode 1 so it could be something different, but seeing as the wings don't appear to be there in the armored shots, I think that the boosters are simply fixed over the wings.

The Valk can look feminine all it wants. They are all referred to as "she" in the end, even the VF-1. From an Engineering standpoint (being an Engineering student) I love the design of the VF-25. It seems what most people don't like is something aesthetic. The thing with the way it looks though, although the show tries to make it look good in any case, in engineering vehicles like this every part and every curve has a certain function (whether we know what it is or not) and if to make the design work then the vehicle has to have something that makes it ugly then the vehicle will have to be ugly. An Engineer doesn't change a design that works based on whether it looks good or not. Despite all this though, I think the VF-25 is beautiful, but then again, I have an engineering and mechanical mind so perhaps my perception of it is warped a bit.

Like I said, I see it as more of a combination of the VF-1 and VF-19 designs. It has the look and feel of the 19 with a general shape of the VF-1. That's just how I feel about it though, for all I know Kawamori never meant it to be inspired by the VF-1 at all.

Personally I love the VF-25. I do notice it is a lot like the VF-1, but the VF-1 was one of my all time favorites in design. I am an Aerospace Engineering student (focusing on spacecraft) so this kind of thing really is what gets me interested. I can kind of see the VF-25 as a cross between the VF-1 design and the VF-19 in the transformation in some ways. I just like the VF-25 all over now. Before that I was really interested in the VF-22, but now I just can't wait for more episodes of Frontier to see more of this plane. Also, seriously, when do new episodes start?

I can't seem to find it, but what is the date for when the series 'officially' starts, I'd like to know. As for all of this, I can see both ways how Frontier could be connected to Megaroad 1 and Macross Zero. The spiral designs on the Vajra make me wonder if they have a related to AFOS from Macross Zero. There was a lot of mystery left behind with that, it would be nice to learn what exactly the Birdman was. At the same time it could have been the Vajra that caused Megaroad 1's disappearance. There are many possibilities, only time can tell.

Something to keep in mind about the genius pilot thing is in the trailer we did see a Blue and White VF-25. However it seems to me it was just a pre-lim for the first episode because if you match it up, the blue and white valk from the trailer does the same stuff that Ozma's grey/yellow armored valk does in ep.1. Whether this means he was going to have a blue originally or they are saving it for someone else I cannot guess.

I knew Robotech first, and at the time I didn't know that the other side was any different. Ironically the way of learned of Robotech was unique. I saw information and stuff on the game Robotech Battlecry which looked really cool to me at the time (in retrospect, I see now how it kind of sucked, but it still holds a place in the heart). Before I ever bothered to get this game I was a fan of all Science Fiction and mecha like things like Gundam. I went to the Robotech site to read up about this show and I was hooked on it. Then I bought that game and played it through. Eventually I learned through the internet that Robotech was in fact an Americanization of 3 Japanese anime. The interesting thing is however that I only really liked the Macross saga portion of Robotech, I could never bring myself to watch the rest, it seemed to not fit, I now know why. I eventually bought the remastered DVD's of Robotech the Macross saga, which I quite enjoyed. Since I'm an engineering buff, I was looking up for more information on the Veritechs (bear with the word people, it actually makes a bit of sense as an acronym), and I eventually started seeing a lot of stuff on Macross Valkyries from many of the OVA's, movies, and series. This led me to eventually rent the dubbed version of Macross Plus the movie edition. Ever since that day I was an official Macross fan. I from there looked up more information and such. I've wanted to buy the DVDs of the English dubbed Macross series but I've always come short of actually doing it. The thing for me is, despite Macross, which I agree is better than the Robotech version of the story and makes a lot more sense, I still like Robotech (Macross saga only though) and truthfully I still think of those characters by their American names a lot (Rick Hunter and Lisa for example, and I still like to think of Global/Gloval as Russian rather than Italian). So I walk the line as a fan of both versions while knowing Macross makes more sense and I now mainly favor that side, Robotech will still always be there in some form.

First post for me here, woot. Anyway, I kind of agree with that sentiment. I'd like a story arc where the Frontier fleet happens upon a derelict Megaroad 01 which has no life on it but a recording left by Hikaru and Misa that told what happened and how it ended. Tell a whole story in flashbacks that way.