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Which is almost all lifted straight from DYRL. 376339[/snapback] In what way??, the animation for the game was made years later and it's even made in computer IIRC 376490[/snapback] SOME of the Saturn game animation was made years later. MOST of it was clipped from DYRL, digitized, and pasted in.

Was it set per block of hours plus per minute if you went over? (like cell phone plans do now?) Just curious.... 376405[/snapback] Depended on the ISP. I think some were free on those hours. I'm glad we got past the per-minute charges on internet usage. Even today, a lot of thngs just run faster during those hours. Lot less people hitting the servers.

And as long as you don't preach it, I don't mind. I'm a firm believer in competition, and I'm glad to see Apple's market share rise in recent years(though it's still got a long way to go). Mac users are just an easy target for jokes because of the zealotry with which a small minority will push the product. I'm sure you know the kind I mean. At the rate things are going, it'll all be Linux cracks in a few more years, though. The Mac zealots have calmed down a lot, and the Linux guys are getting louder lately.

If Harmony Gold is evil, then you should probably turn off your computer and chuck it in the trash because Microsoft is evil as well. Or reformat and install Linux. ... Hey, OSX x86 has a hack out to make it run on ANY IBM clone instad of just Apple's. Apple isn't evil, right? Ten thousand raving fanboys can't be wrong.

Which kind of metal? 376382[/snapback] I'm betting magnesium.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!... I'd watch it.

Yah. That was what I meant too. PLAY AS TEH JPOP SINGER!

No. While sexually segregarted, the zentradi in teh series are coworkers, not archnemesises... nemeses... whatever. Because no matter where you are, english is the language of choice for aviation.

Ah yes... all the way back to Art of Fighting, if I recall. I always play as him. Galford has the dog(was checking something for someone recently, and that was one of 2 characters that got playtime) Didn't realize he was a pallete swap + new head. I'll have to look closer next time I fire it up.

*thinks* Was Hanzo, right? I like Samurai Shodown, but I don't play it very often.

Which is almost all lifted straight from DYRL.

Or even ... MG VF-1 Version Katoki. 376315[/snapback] *Stabs you.* Aww, c'mon.... Ver. Ka. is the ESSENCE of superfluous redesigns. Actually, when looked at from the right angle, most of the "main" Gundams are redesigns of the original RX-78. They all have the same basic design, same color scheme, etc. In continuity they're massively diffrent, but out of continuity it's all explicitly intended to be a rehash of the original Gundam.

Or even ... MG VF-1 Version Katoki.

Mine began as a joke, really. Was in a moderately technical discussion, and I thought it'd be funny to use some sort of redneck hillbilly name, so I adopted "JimBob McQuade" as an alias. For some reason I continued using it. Then dropped the McQuade, because it was too long. Then shortened it to JB, because I'm chronically lazy. That's become my standard pseudonym. I pin a zero onto the end when I can't use JB, either because it's taken or there's a minimum name length.

There's actually TWO Katoki redesigns in the Gundam Wing line. First, and primarily, there's the "custom" versions that were, in continuity, alterations of the ones they ended the series with(Wing Zero Custom, Deathscythe Hell Custom, etc). But Endless Waltz ALSO featured a few flashback sequences to before the start of the TV series. These showed the original Deathscythe, Wing Gundam, Sandrock, Heavyarms, and Shenlong. Katoki redesigned the original mechs for those scenes to match his vision of the Wing universe. In continuity, those were the same mechs as the TV series, despite (in some cases massively) diffrent appearance. A few of the Ka. versions also feature equipment that shouldn't be present at that point in the continuity. Out of continuity, of course, both versions were merely Katoki expressing his distaste for TV series designer Kunio Okawara's aesthetics. The Ka. designs outside of Wing are little more than Bandai looking for excuses to sell the same model over again. Seriously, a Ka. Ball? It's a METAL SPHERE.

The Katoki redesign of the Wing Gundam was for the OVA. A lot of the other Katoki redesigns ahve been for the sake of releasing "version Ka." model kits.

V2 FOREVER! ... What? I like the design.

So yeah... how about that VF-17? Is that anachronistic or what?

It's still self-defense. Just pre-emptive self-defense.

*ignores biased descriptions of aesthetics* Because the VF-1 was designed in 1982 for a shoestring-budget TV series and the VF-0 was designed in 2002 for a high-budget OVA. Between technology advances, the much longer time between episodes, and that they were using far more skilled artists, he could stick a LOT more details and widgets on the VF-0. The VF-1 HAD to be kept simple due to production constraints. Regardless of what Kawamori WANTED to do with it, it was for a TV show with very short deadlines and many episodes were farmed out to low-quality animators. A more complex VF couldn't have been drawn in time to make it on the air every week. And the animators regularly screwed up as it is, with lasers shooting from IR sensors, bullets shooting from the head laser, and heads sprouting extra lasers. A more complex design would've just left them with that much more to mess up. The movie DYRL had a higher budget and more time, but the basic design for the VF-1 was already established. The cockpit was totally overhauled, and a lot of detail was added, but they couldn't really redesign the VF-1's basic appearance and still count on drawing the TV audience into the theaters. Just LOOK at the VF-0 some time. The designs are so close it's impossible to NOT notice that it's a re-envisioning of the VF-1. Here, I'll save you the trouble... See? The VF-0 is an anorexic VF-1! In continuity, it was designed so close to the VF-1 that they would've HAD to make extensive use of the VF-1 design, given that it was humanity's first variable fighter and the VF-0 was manufactured before the VF-1 entered mass-production.

Which is the point. They LOOK like they could work. How many flying machines LOOKED like they could work, but didn't?

Sounds like an automotive lubricant that also takes out pesky grass stains. 375921[/snapback] *spits on engine* Hey, it DOES cut the grease! Because he made it to use in Macross Zero. As he had an established VF-1 design, and din't want to just say "Screw you fans, your favorite plane is gone," he made up a new backstory and labeled it the VF-0. That's what the VF-0 IS. Officially it's a new experiemental plane that existed alongside the VF-1. Unoficially, it's a VF-1 redesign.

THE FUNNY? WHERE IS IT? I CAN'T FIND THE FUNNY!

And where's my Voltron lions, dammit?

Thanks for the clarification - I had always assumed JB 'OH'. Henceforth, and for perpetuity, you shall be referred to as JB Zero. See, this thread is useful after all. 375896[/snapback] How about just JB? The zero's only there because there's a 3-character minimum on names. Both Camaros look good. They're diffrent, but which one's better depends on personal preference. The VF-1 also isn't SUPPOSED to look futuristic. It was designed intentionally to look like contemporary airplanes. And it succeeded at that. Like I said... Kawamori DID redesign the VF-1. He calls it the VF-0. And like the Camaro, both designs have their strong points. And neither looks clownish like the SOL.