Scream Man

You might have luck on Mandarake?

That makes sense actually. And they just changed that chest to make it Prime-like.

From what I read the hip joints on the new 25S are quite stiff, and support the weight of the full armor set well. I wonder if they would do the same on this to support the full weight of the Tornado sets, which are almost all on the back

Its not that I dont understand their motivations, its their actions I disagree with. 

But also I'm not trying to pick a fight, I think we are just coming at it differently. And as i said, thats ok.  

Since I have been quite liking the Revivals, my Bandai DX want list Top 10 is now:

01 - VF-22S FP Gamlin 
02 - VF-11B FP Thunderbolt
03 - VF-1S Roy/Hikaru (1/60 scale)
04 - VF-0S Roy (1/60)
05 - VF-19A 569 Lightnings
06 - VF-17D Nightmare
07 - SV-262Ba Bogue
08 - RVF-25 Luca with Super Packs and Ghosts
09 - VF-171 Night Plus CF
10 - SV-51 Ivanov
 

On 12/12/2024 at 6:37 PM, MKT said:

I guess we can expect this version of Alto to also have dual thigh screws.. 

It actually just occured to me tonight that it might have the tighter joints that people say the 25S Heavy has, which would make it worth getting another 25F to me....

Cheers! I wish I could find pics of the 19P, but the pics I took that year all disappeared. I lost a bunch of stuff, which bums me out  

15 hours ago, Chronocidal said:

I know I've seen the 19P show up now and again as well, so I don't doubt it's in good hands.  

Oh thats cool! Well hopefully I'll see her in a collection sometime. 

14 hours ago, sh9000 said:

That VF-11C looks awesome.

Thanks I was proud of it  Here are pics I took when I finished it initially.

Yeah kind of. I still think Seiba is justifying a lot of crappy behavior, but thats just my opinion, not so much any kind of fact. And its all good, art should be interpreted differently, thats part of the fun

15 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The Macross Delta TV series initially mentions that the use of dimensional bombs in wartime is generally prohibited by an interstellar treaty enforced by the New UN Government. 

Both the series and the second movie go on to treat them not as banned weapons, but as restricted weapons that the military needs authorization from the New UN Government in order to use.  It's not too different from how they present reaction weapons, which have conditions attached to their use and require authorization from the local government before they can be used.

Ok, fair enough. 

15 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Yeah, the New UN Forces' original plan was to use a low-yield dimensional bomb to destroy the Protoculture ruins on Windermere IV in order to prevent the Windermereans from weaponizing the ruins.  It's implied that the New UN Forces brass were at least partly aware of what the ruins could do and were trying to prevent the doomsday scenario that the main cast discuss later (a galaxy-wide "your head a'splode" from forced telepathy).  It was definitely the lesser of two evils... damaging or destroying part of a city weighed against the possibility of a galaxy-wide mass extinction of all sentient life if the ruins were activated.

Rrrrrriiiiight, but thats a very 'Minority Report' kind of looking justification. Was there any indication that the Windermereans were looking to do that, or just a "Well this thing is here, and one day maybe someone might do this so let's blow up something of cultural significance to these people just in case, and also maybe a lot of people will die" sort of scenario? Thats incredibly deep, muddy moral ground there....
 

18 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Wright tried to run off with a weapon of mass destruction, resulting in the accidental obliteration of a heavily populated city instead of the dangerous ruins.

Again, thats very muddy ground. IIRC they took remote control of his fighter to drop the bomb. If they had that much control, they could have detonated it in the air, causing less damage and killing Wright (Which would have prevented capture). Doing what they did still didn't achieve their goal, killed innocent civilians, and then on top of it all they covered it all up to make it seem like the Windermereans had bombed a NUNS base. Thats shady as all hell.
 

30 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

In the Macross Delta TV series and first movie, it's said that NUNS pilot and special agent Wright Immelmann infiltrated Windermere's holy sites and stole the Star Singer relics to give to Lady M's company Xaos.  Xaos then used those relics to create the illegal clone Mikumo and sell her services to the New UN Government member states in the Brisingr cluster.

Was that to combat Var, or did they do it for another reason that they pivoted into Mikumos eventual role?
 

33 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The Macross Delta TV series clearly tried to achieve that effect by making the main NUNS representative look like a smug snake, but the story doesn't really bear it out if you think about it a little.  A lot of the actual problems in the series are caused by Xaos fumbling the ball or interfering with the NUNS's work.  Like how Lady M slowed down the evacuation of Barette City on Ragna so that there were still civilians in the area when Windermere attacked and the Spacy tried to set off its trap to destroy the Sigur Berrentzs.  Or how, during the main trio's trial on Windermere, the series briefly acknowledges that Xaos's involvement in the war is literally illegal because they're mercenaries and that as a result they can't claim prisoner of war protections under the spacefuture version of the Geneva protocols.

I'll grant you the second one, but the first I don't remember. How did they delay the evacuation of Ragna? Because the Elysium went off world instead of evacuating the civilians? 

36 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Megaroad-04 didn't really have a choice since she was damaged by the fold faults around Windermere IV, but the New UN Government seems to have a pattern of trying to uplift primitive civilizations instead of leaving them to develop on their own.  Their heart's probably in the right place, in terms of making sure sub-Protoculture species aren't wiped out by the Zentradi, but a lot of those cultures almost certainly were not ready to acknowledge extraterrestrial life... most seem to have still been feudal societies.

That said, Windermere's discontent with the treaty is revealed in the gaiden manga to be essentially just an economic problem.  The whole Brisingr globular cluster struggled due to its remoteness, but Windermere was unhappy with its economic growth because they had a valuable resource they couldn't exploit to get rich quick because of New UN Gov't trade restrictions meant to slow the proliferation of dimensional bombs.

Theres a very egotistical "Well you know our species are saving the galaxy!" kind of vibe to them a bit. Because they are the strongest force combatting the Zentradi now (As far as we have seen), they seem to feel like they have this moral imperative to spread their culture and override, or at least uplift as you say, the cultures of the species they encounter. 
You could argue that if they had never told the Windermereans about the protoculture or the significance of the ruins in the first place then it may have just gone on being some ancient ruins that the WM's knew was on their world but didn't think anything of. 

1 hour ago, wmkjr said:

Your VF-11C is in my display case. Took a few pics with the other Skulls on Yetistands awhile back. 

Oh that genuinely made me smile mate, thanks!  Im glad she went to a good home. 

Almost 10 years ago I sold a custom VF-19P and Custom VF-11C to someone in this group, and Ive never seen them since. I always hoped id see them in a collection pic one day, but never have  

I kind of wish that somewhere would 3D print or offer the file for the small black piece that goes under the crotch plate to help hold it forward. Never understood why that didnt just become a default piece for the 25 series mold. 

OOooo, its got the Tampo on it! That's looking like ew MIGHT actually get it this year! 

Im holding out for one to arrive on Mandarake. I never actually go the heavy armor for the original 25S (It always priced me out) so Im quite looking forward to this. Good to hear the joints are tighter; hopefully they do the same on the 27.

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Not s'much, in fact.

The Earth UN Gov't only really has the one questionable decision on its record: not trusting the crew of the Macross about the size of the Zentradi fleet.  It didn't change the war's outcome at all and there's really nothing they could have done differently if they hadn't made the error.  It's just unfortunate.

The New UN Gov't had some growing pains but the few screwups that can be attributed to it directly are, in Macross tradition, well-intentioned moves that panned out badly.  Like giving the military more autonomy in the name of peacekeeping and anti-terrorist security, only for them to get a bit too fond of their new authority.  Or the attempt to make living aboard emigrant ships less stressful that turned into a big public incident with a crazy AI singer.  In 7 and Frontier we're mainly seeing emigrant governments making their own whoopsies independent of the central government, and in Delta their involvement is mainly just the trade restrictions Windermere's upset about that are actually in place for very good, very sound reasons the Windermereans don't like due to a difference in perspective.

Sure but they also had the Dimension Eater weapon that was dropped on Windermere in their possession (Which was illegal IIRC?), and covered up the incident later on, which added to the resentment of the Windermereans against the rest of the Galaxy. In fact wasnt Hayate Dad (Wright? something like that) originally supposed to drop the bomb on the Protoculture ruins which would have caused significantly more damage to the planet? They also stole the 'Star Singer' material and made Mikumo and later the clone in the second movie right? 
I dunno, the NUNS higher ups always came across like villainous to me. Not so much the local forces, but the overall ones for sure. 

There was always a vague "Colonial invaders" tone to me from the NUNG interactions with the Windermereans to me. I'm not saying the Windermereans didn't over-reach in their response, but since they were never happy with the original terms of the treaty I would assume it wasn't a very even one. 

Well I just got my 21 in and... I love it. I think from a purely toy point of view its probably the best 21 that's been made. Compared to the Yamato and Arcadia ones its infinitely easier and more fun to transform, and does everything I'd want a YF-21 to do. 
I mean yeah, the nose could be longer, and there's other small quibbles I have but generally speaking I love it. I, admittedly, got lucky with the antenna as mine is totally fine, so that probably helps me like it more. 
But overall yes I love it. 

A lot of the UN and NUNS government decisions are pretty questionable, especially as the timeline moves on. By the time of the Delta movies they're pretty bloody horrible. 

Here's more of a story question: In Ep4 of Macross Plus, Sharon starts to strangle Myung with the (weirdly articulated) cables in The Macross. Myung seems to be about to pass out then Sharon.... stops? Why doesn't she kill Hyung if that was her intent. Sharon says she doesn't need her anymore, which sounds like she wants to kill her to me. 

I thought of another one: What happened to Myung after M+? Given we know a bunch about Isamu and she isn't mentioned, I'm assuming they don't end up together? 

Sweet, cheers guys

On 1/4/2025 at 3:34 AM, Master Dex said:

This is how I know you never looked at the VF-1 from all angles. 

The backpack at the top has thrusters in it. The VF-1 relies on that and a mix of foot movement. 

This is more easily solved than some VF's like the 30/31 series.

I have, I just forgot. 

On 1/4/2025 at 7:17 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

On most models of VF, there's a dedicated cluster of rocket nozzles or high-thrust verniers that's used for forward thrust in GERWALK mode and often also supporting thrust in Battroid mode.  That cluster of nozzles usually ends up on the back of the Valkyrie pointing down in Battroid.

The VF-0, VF-1, VF-3000, and VF-5000 had a cluster of three liquid fuel rockets in their "backpack".  The VF-9 has a pair of high-thrust verniers directly under its stabilizers that it uses for that.  The VF-11 has two smaller nozzles on each shoulder, the VF-19 and VF-25 have a cluster of small nozzles that is exposed when the arms are deployed, and so on.

Variable Fighter Master File also offers the not-exactly-canon suggestion that some later model Valkyries like the VF-25 can reverse the function of the cooling system in the wing glove and use that as an ad hoc engine as well.

Ok so that makes sense for the backpacks like the VF-1 and ones you mentioned.
I forgot the 19 had those little engine thingies, because they sit basically right where the cockpit is in Battroid, so I have no idea where the fuel comes from for those. 
The VF-11, ok, yeah I see those on the back, I forgot about those too. 
On the 25, is it those tiny little holes that link to where the shield is? Coz that seems like it would be too small to provide much thrust...
The 31 I cant see any rear thrusters at all. Is it the little slots near the back of the wing sections? There's a couple near the tails, (Maybe?) and then two near the inner edge? 

What provides forward thrust for Valkyrie type fighters in Gerwalk mode?
21s/22s, 27s and 29s have rear thrusters separate to the feet thrusters, but VF-1s etc have no rear facing engines with the legs down. 

Cheers mate, much obliged.  

Actually I thought of another (totally unrelated) question.

Why were the fold boosters for fighters single use for so long? What fuel did they burn to make jumps? Just electrical energy from a kind of battery, or did they have a fuel source as well? Obviously by Frontier there are re-usable fold drives in fighter size, but in 7 there weren't... or at least they could only jump twice? Or something? 

Just out of curiosity, where are the sensor "eyes" on the YF-21? We see Guld do this zoom out test thing that makes it seem like one is somwhere on the tail, but icant see where that would be based on the toys/models i have. 

I know it has one in the centre of the nose, but i wasnt sure about the rest