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I thought I would post this up for discussion about the high-speed mode on the YF-19 versus the original Macross Plus line art. At least this one has a place for the entire wing to go.

I think that was the first line in the F-4 Phantom's flight manual! Hmm, that brings to mind the maneuvers Isamu was doing when he first got the YF-19. Remember, when he's doing the aerial skywriting? He spends a huge chunk of that time over a 50 AOA, usually closer to 90 degrees. Maybe it was designed to be hyper-maneuverable in that regime. In an interesting twist, the VF-19F/S has a much larger wing glove then the VF-19A. Coupled with a lower aspect inner wing, it has to be creating a lot of lift in certain areas. Maybe compensation for making the wing overall smaller? I've always been a proponent of those too, so it's been frustrating when we haven't seen them in any of the line art or even the cutaways. Puffers in the Harrier style would work just fine there, I think.

Great reply, Dave, I hadn't thought to look back at the 190 and Spitfire comparison, it's a good point. On the other hand, though, I don't know if they have any verniers on the wingtips. The ones in Macross always seem to be fairly large (case in point, the smallest ones I can think of on a VF are the ones in the ankles of the VF-19F/S, really). The VF-19F/S adds another large one on the side of the leg near the knee and some on the wing roots, which would affect space roll motions. I wonder, though, how would the canards on the VF-19A affect high-AoA maneuvers? With the thrust vectoring the VF-19 has, it could easily put its nose pretty far up there. There's a picture of a CG model doing just that in the book. Speaking of wing area, you might enjoy this. The shorter VF-19F/S wings have a larger inner-wing area, so they don't lose nearly as much as you would think in comparison to the longer "medium" wing. It's longer, but also has a higher aspect ratio closer to the fuselage.

I think it might be for space purposes, as well as increasing roll rate by keeping the mass closer to the center of gravity. I did a VF-19F a while ago and it really looks different then the VF-19A. This book really brings the two designs together, I think, and I like that a lot. I'm going to do a new one from scratch, based on my VF-19A. I love the art they have of that. I had no idea those were there. Don't forget the RMS-5 reaction weapons and high maneuverability missiles.

With the new release of VF-19 Master File, I couldn't resist working on my VF-19s again. I'm taking some of the additional detailing that shows up in the VF-19MF images and adding it to the VF-19A I started last year. I'll do a new VF-19F/S from scratch as well.

Oh, I know you mentioned that it was there, but I meant you didn't mention it was in a retro SW1 paint scheme.

I was just grabbing random names and realized they were all space shuttles, so I just grabbed whichever random one was next, which happened to be Macross Andromeda. HMV, I think, has it, as does Amazon.co.jp. I got mine from them. Amazon ships to the US and goes pretty darn fast (just a few days for me). If you need any help ordering from them, drop me a PM and I'll answer any questions. It's pretty much just like the US site. http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A1%E3%83%AA%E3%82%A2%E3%83%96%E3%83%AB%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BB%E3%83%9E%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%AB-VF-19%E3%82%A8%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AA%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC-%E3%82%A8%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E3%83%86%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%A1%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88%E6%9B%B8%E7%B1%8D%E7%B7%A8%E9%9B%86%E9%83%A8/dp/4797356936/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275672225&sr=8-1 Now to get back to work on my old VF-19A line art, updating it with details from the new book. I thought the addition of Emerald Force and Sound Force logos was interesting. Didn't even pick the Emerald one out the first time I leafed through that section. You forgot to mention that the YF-19 Galaxy Demonstration Tour one with the UNS Kites on it is painted in Roy Fokker's VF-1S colors.

Got my copy of VF-19 Master File finally and thought I would give some quick thoughts on it from my initial leafing through. Awesome stuff: VF-19A cutaway (drool-worthy) A true, proper two-seater 1st generation VF-19 (VF-19B/D) Long and short-winged VF-19F/S Diagram of the way the wings can fold on the VF-19A, including a Grumman-style folding for the hangar (swept all the way back and rotated 90 degrees to lie flat against the engines) Did I mention the cutaway? Not so awesome: Some of the CGI wasn't up to the standards of the line art. Case in point, the YF-21 on page 23. VC-19V VIP-Calibur. Seriously reminds me of the ideas explored about making a B-58A Hustler derivative fast troop transport. Sketchley, you're absolutely right, that's definitely a modified VF-11B FAST pack they show the VF-19A with. Note the round large exhaust nozzle instead of the two smaller round ones. As far as the triangular radome on the AEW&C one, that reminds me of just about any advanced or futuristic AWACS design idea that any manufacturer has these days. I don't know of any being made off the top of my head, but they are definitely realistic. There was an interesting little thing on one of the colored profile pages in the back. On the DYRL-style one there was a bunch of named Macross ships on it, including Macross Galaxy, Frontier, Seven, Eleven (I know...), and a bunch of non-canonical ones like Macross Atlantis, Macross Endeavo(u)r, Macross Chal(l)enger, Macross Andromeda, and Macross Pioneer, as well as Planet Eden and some other planets.

I don't think we ever saw a CF VF-25 in battroid or GERWALK period. Heck, they didn't even get a full FAST pack setup.

And there it is, in episode 7.

I got that last night. Fedex is faster then Amazon.co.jp, apparently. The tracking info says I should have it in my hands in just about 24 hours. Amazon was estimating several more days.

Actually, it was Kyon who did that in the anime. Haruhi said "Listen to my Song!" (That actually did happen during the episode preview for the school festival concert episode)

Amazon.co.jp is still showing it available for pre-order, if that helps. They do ship internationally. Graham, I know how you feel! I placed my pre-order on January 6th and with any luck I'll get it sometime between June 5th and 8th.

Updates! I redid my YF-21 and VF-22S line art and added a special custom one for Mr. March. I also did up a Virgin Road VF-1D color profile for M3 too. It's been a fun diversion to do some non-shaded, non-realistically-colored art.

Oh, good point! We did forget her.

Besides Mylene, has any of the female leads had a furry pet before Ranka? (Trash excepted, of course) Hmm, not quite a cart, though, Seto. http://www.xs4all.nl/~ptn/Aircraft/FL200.html (Ignore the name and all, just the pic)

Seto Kaiba and I were just talking about that in IM, actually. I've noticed a distinct trend in the most recent volume to not show as much cheesecake fanservice as before. I get the feeling it was just to get readers reading the new series. Looking through the latest ones in vol #4, for instance, I only really count a couple cheesecake fanservice drawings of Minmay (and one of Misa on the floor). I don't consider a normal drawing of her standing that happens to show a lot of leg because she isn't wearing a skirt past her knees fanservice, though. Besides that, flashbacks, and covers, which are meant to draw attention, there was a massively-lessor amount in this one compared to the first few. And yes, compared to all the Frontier manga that follow it in the magazine, Macross the First is on a lower order of magnitude.

I just checked my preorder on Amazon.co.jp and it's showing June 2nd as the release date now (and in my hands between June 5th-8th).

Yep, I grabbed it from HLJ when they had it on sale. Including Fedex shipping, which took 3 or 4 days, it only cost me about $80. It's sitting in fighter mode on my dresser right now.

No need for import sales with Unicorn, it was released in the US right around the same time as in Japan. Its sales would go into the "how do we do when we do a simultaneous international release" pile. http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Gundam-Unicor...5807&sr=8-1

Good point! I still have the Gundam book from like 2003 he wrote the forward in somewhere...

All this reminds me of the English parts spoken in the new UC Gundam OVA, Gundam Unicorn. The English ATC (STC?) spoken in it is in -perfect- English and the monitors and such lack the usual Engrish you see (Patlabor the Movie and your "Rock-on" I'm looking at you...). I don't have any proof, but I've assumed that it's because Bandai did both the English and Japanese versions together and just cross-ported what they needed. I should point out that I have only watched the subbed version, so I don't know for sure. XD

I haven't heard their ATC myself, so I was only talking civilian in this case. But yeah, I can completely see the JASDF doing that. s001 and EXO: Yeah, I know. There's a lot of English that pops up everywhere. Macross 7 too, if you'll recall. Heck even on the Frontier. I still find it interesting that they call out a specific mission as -the- English-speaking fleet.

As far as the Air Traffic Control chatter, yes, ICAO rules dictate that English is the "lingua franca" for all communications. However, if we're talking about, say, Haneda ATC talking to an ANA plane, they are allowed to use Japanese, but would have to use English with the Air France flight from CDG or any other flight that requests it. This way the controllers and pilots only need to know one additional language besides their native tongue. When you have pilots flying to the US from Japan one day, to France on another, Holland another, and Spain another, it can become a nightmare to keep track of or organize. With Kawamori and all being aviation buffs, I'm not surprised in the slightest that he did that. And if I'm not mistaken, though, Macross' primary language IS Japanese. There was an English-speaking fleet too, Macross-11. (Home of Fire Bomber American) and it was notable enough to be mentioned as such.

Glad I could help! Despite me trying to be proactive, I've only managed to get vol 4 from Amazon normally. 1-3 I had to get from eBay (3 because I had delayed buying it too long. A mistake I won't make again).