Mephistopheles

How many games have you developed, mister expert? One of the goals of the game was to make all 3 modes useful, as that usually ranks much higher on people's list of things they want to see in a Macross game than using the GBP does. And they largely succeeded. Generally you WILL change modes a few times during the level, unless it's a fighter-based stage. The GBP would break that, as it adds a great incentive to use battroid exclusively. FAST packs don't, though they're limited to space combat and the non-continuity VS mode(thank goodness they didn't adhere to any real structure for that). ... Actually, any decent Macross game will have limited use for the GBP outside of special stages. If a GBP can be successfully deployed most of the time, the game is failing seriously elsewhere. And a GBP stage didn't fit with the story for Battlecry(or most Macross stories, for that matter. It's sole deployment in SDF was essentially Hikaru being stupid.). I know for a fact that the development team DID include large Macross fans. They WERE trying to make a good game, they just approached it from a diffrent angle than a lot of people here wanted to see. And their approach DID leave it with some flaws, but on the whole it's a fun game. That's more than can be said for a lot of other licensed titles. 414065[/snapback] All I really wanted was full Y-axis support but no, it only has a 180 degree Y-axis rotation.

Also, look back at the scene where Roy's old mentor breaks through the hull of the ship with is valk to steal that artifact piece. Can't do that with a fighter jet! 414062[/snapback] If you notice the sudden changes in modes allows a fighter to get behind a pursuing one. Although in reality it would probably cause the pilot to black out at the least. They can also hide on the ground and play the role of a helicopter to some degree.

Yeah, don't take this the wrong way Mephistopheles and GutsAndCasca, but it does seem to me that you are both using supposition on how you think the Zentradi would act despite points to the contrary. As for the DYRL examples, well I was talking of SDF Macross in and of itself, since it's the official version of events. I agree with KingNoir. Had they captured the ship at the beginning....they would have left Earth alone and forgotten about it. Had theycaptured the ship away from Earth without the cultural contamination occuring....they would have left Earth alone and forgotten about it. It was fairly late in the series when they crossed that line which made Earth a target out of a percieved threat. The Zentradi were warriors, designed to wage war. I've no doubt war would be their first option to solve a problem, but I don't believe they would wage war if they did not percieve a threat. At least not until the Supervision Army was completely gone and they spent quite some time with nothing to do. 413990[/snapback] Doesn't matter, since they never even attempted to tell us what their intentions were I'm sure they would have simply took the ship by force to which we would have defended ourselves, seeing as we don't know why they are attacking, and war would have broken out just the same. Breetai also really didn't seem to care about Exedore's comments about not interfering with Microns.

The nukes example is a good one. Most likely the translator didn't know what the word actually meant so he based it off context and visuals. The fan-sub that I have actually had them translated correctly. I never really worked with Japanese but I have davelled in Russian and Spanish. I'm aware that when it comes to translation you can't just convert the words one for one and nor do all words behave the same way they would in the other language however I still don't understand how you can have people translate something that conveys completely different ideas.

Well depending on the situation the middle one could make sense. Now I know Japanese is a pretty complex language especially when you consider how the syntax of Japanese is completely different and often contradictory when compared to English syntax but you have to wonder why people get different meanings out of the same words. I think that at times some of the subs for the Japanese speech is just a stab in the dark.

You kinda gota understand its not the quantity but the quality that counts, if shoji got all the money and funding he put threw mac7 and place it threw a differnt project you would get something like mac+ or Mac0. for example the 3d fx they used for M+ was some realy complicated stuff they came up with back in 94, also you have to remember the animation quality and the replayed action scenes they used was to save some labor and money. 413863[/snapback] No I think people understand the "quality" vs "quantity" argument however you don't understand that Mac + and M-7 were released at the same time, with very different aims. Whereas Mac+ was intended as pure eye/mecha candy rehashing Kawamori's unreleased Advanced Valkyrie chonicles story (or whatever its called) Mac-7 was intended more to tell a story, and focus on character development. Macross Plus ate a phenominal part of the budget up... it had bells and whistles like CG that ate up the budget.Macross 7 didn't have that money but it didn't need it. It wasn't supposed to be about the mecha (even though it had the most of any series) it was about the characters and story telling anyway. Whats the point animating complex battle scenes when it wasn't even a focus of the story, and you don't have the money anways? 413871[/snapback] Well that would be a good counter point if Macross 7 actually had a good story. It may have focused on it, and it did, but that doesn't make it an automatic winner.

It would be real nice if they did an official release, sub, dub or both. I tire of the huge inconsistencies among fan-subs. I get the feeling that some of the fan-subs are done by people who don't have a very strong grasp on Japanese. I have three versions of DYRL and sometimes the lines very greatly. IE - One will say something like "Don't lecture me on my duties" the next will say "I'm tired of being bossed around by a woman" and the third one will say "I can't just sit around and do nothing". These aren't just small differences...

Is there a site, any site, dedicated to Macross line art though?

You're right, though for diffrent reasons than you think. The sort of cultural contamination seen in SDF Macross had been witnessed before. Bodol's solution, while excessive from our point of view, was the official "cure." They also reduced an Earth-like world to a smoking uninhabitable cinder jsut to make a point while interrogating Hikaru, Misa, and Kakizaki. So at best we were irrelevant, at worst we were viewed as a direct threat to zentradi civilization regardless of our tech level. Killed each other off in civil war. They could actually be doing that anyways. We know their heirarchy ended at the PC, and the PC are gone. Beyond that, we only know that the zentradi were a cohesive force through Bodolza's level, which isn't the top. There were over a thousand such fleets in the zentradi forces, and the connection between them is unknown(as is how many levels are above them). DYRL illustrates just such a situation. While it's status in continuity is that of a movie created within the Macross universe and a grossly inaccurate retelling of Space War 1, there's still the possibility that it draws upon actual Zentradi history(as told by Exedol) for inspiration. We know that they hadn't ACTUALLY degenerated into a war between the sexes, because SDF Macross is currently the official version of events and Lap'Lamiz' forces answered to Bodolza, her Direct-Defense Fleet was viewed with great respect by Britai, and Bodolza considered it bringing in the "big guns." Hardly the way you would treet a traitor force that defected from your mortal enemy, though there IS an implication that females are the elite special forces of zentradi society. But it's possible the zentradi forces DO consist of several independent megafleets roaming through space and locking horns every time they cross paths. That tidbit of history would have inspired the DYRL writers' Zentran/Meltran war, with Earth being tragically caught in the crossfire between 2 fleets. The gender rift was widened in as an artistic measure to emphasize the alien-ness of zentradi society, that men and women had become so far removed that they no longer even recognized each other as the same species, even though in "reality" they just didn't share ships. If it sounds far-fetched, you aren't too familiar with real-world "historical" movies. 413805[/snapback] I like your explanation. I'm going to use it as my own.

Well actually they fly around looking for Supervision Army fleets to flight. The SDF 1 was originally an SA gunship that they tracked down. They wanted the ship to destroy until they saw it had the legendary Reaction weapons aboard, then they wanted to capture it for those weapons. 413788[/snapback] They may have been focusing on the Supervision Army at the time but given that they don't know anything other than war I would have my doubts that they would have simply left Earth alone after taking the SDF-1 especially since they know that we know how to build reflex weapons. We would present a threat to them and they would most likely level Earth before leaving. Hypothetically, if the Supervision Army was completely destroyed, what do you think the Zentradi would have done afterwards?

I'm jealous! I think I know why Yamato hasn't made the SDF Macross. Because you'd only buy one! It's cool to have a squad of VFs, because there's squads of VFs in the show. But there's only one Macross in the series, so why buy more than one? You can also customize your own paint scheme for a valk, because that paint scheme could have existed somewhere in the UN Spacy forces. But it's hard to imagine there was another SDF somewhere, with it's own paint scheme, that we never heard about. Although...alternate Macross paint schemes would be cool. I dare someone to do a Minmay Guard SDF-1! Or an all red Miria! 413620[/snapback] Well, they could do a movie and a tv version, though the mold differences would be significant. 413622[/snapback] They could also do a battle damaged version as well.

It would be nice if they let you use the Armored Valkyrie in story mode. Hell, it would have been nice if they let you change your Valkyrie between missions in story mode.

So the entire franchise is technically impossible. We already KNEW that. 413783[/snapback] So why do you argue over the technical aspects of it?

It doesn't really matter. The time it takes to develop a fighter usually spans two decades and that is without having to reverse engineer alien technology. Jumping from a F-22 to a VF in less than a decade is pretty much an impossibility. It wouldn't of mattered if the ASS-1 had instruction manuals in English on how to build a VF when it crashed. It would take a while to retrofit factories, understand the technology and then comes the building of prototypes. The SDF-1 and most of the technologies associated with it wouldn't have been ready in the time span allotted.

This is after we've caught their attention and had been fighting with them for a while...while, in fact, they were still only really interested in the ship. The ship was their primary interest, they ignored Earth the entire time they were chasing it, even though they had plenty of manpower to spare. Later events brought them to the decision to attack Earth. As for that planet, we've no idea on the specifics of the situation. It may have been a Supervision Army stronghold, that just happened to be a prime candidate to make an example of. 413724[/snapback] Well, if you go by DYRL then the Zentradi destroyed everything on Earth in the first attack. In the TV series they decided that there wasn't anything important on Earth and decided to pursue the SDF-1 but doesn't mean that they weren't going to go back to Earth once they captured the ship. Who the planet belonged to didn't matter. It merely was there to show that the Zentradi don't just beat their enemy into submission but commit acts of genocide. It also would appear that they actually have no interest in taking anything from the planet nor the inhabitants, rather they destroyed them because they were a threat. They even state that the Zentradi do nothing more than fly around the universe looking for someone to fight. It is their sole purpose. It's obvious that the Zentradi do nothing else nor are they interested in doing something else so they just wander around picking fights.

As I recall, the U.N. heads didn't even try to establish communications with the Zentradi, even when informed it was possible. They weren't even aware of the Zentradi's intentions, and didn't seem to care to find out. It's one thing to fight for defense, it's quite another to fight as a show of force without even attempting diplomacy. 413621[/snapback] True but the same could be said for the Zentradi who never even attempted to contact Earth regarding certain arrangements. The show doesn't specifically state that they never tried to talk with them although it is reasonable to conclude that we didn't. It wasn't until Dolza gave his order to destroy Earth and the contaminated fleets did the Zentradi make an attempt at peace out of self-preservation. I'm sure that prior to that the Zentradi would have stuck to their orginal plan. Also, keep in mind that we had access to all of the Macross' pre-reconstruction data. I'm sure there were some files regarding the Zentradi although this isn't clear but it is possible that the UN knew something about the warlike nature of the Zentradi. They had to know something, after all, they did build the VF and the Macross as a counter measure to the Zentradi.

Now all you need to do is make a 1:1 scale SDF-1 and all will be good.

...? The Zentradi were going to attack no matter what even if UN Spacy did hand over the SDF from the get go. It's funny when you call somebody a warmonger because they choose to fight somebody whose only intention is make war. If you want to go by DYRL, the Zentradi flattened Earth on the initial attack. If you want to go by the TV show, the Zentradi were going to take the ship by force even if the SDF hadn't fired first and I have my doubts that they would have left with just the ship.

This place isn't solely dedicated to Macross 7 and he did state that he enjoyed the other Macross animes. I didn't really like Macross Zero that much either. The whole Bird Human thing didn't really seem to serve any purpose in the Macross universe nor did it seem believable. However it was still entertaining which isn't something I could say about Macross 7.

True, they could launch missiles at them however if the VFs flew by near top speed and given that the SV and VF require the nose to be pointed at their target, they wouldn't get that many opportunities. About the explosions. Any explosion in the atmosphere that is big enough will have a muschroom cloud provided that it was a surface detonation. When a 105mm rocket hit the ammo dump in Ballad the first explosion had a mushroom cloud. Nuclear reactors don't explode just because they were damaged. The reactors are also no where near the scale of a power plant. If a valkyrie was destroyed it would be fairly easy to decontaiminate the area later.

If it truely is a sort of parody then it isn't a very good one as it isn't that obvious.

...What?

I would have to agree. I watched the first five episodes and was ready to quit after the first episode. However I managed to convince myself to check out the next four episodes in case it got any better... nope. Seriously, what were they thinking? To me, I put Macross 7 in the same "alternate universe" as Macross 2.

What is the trick to allow every color scheme and every valkyrie to be selectable when you start a new game?

Not entirely, if the roles were reversed and the VF was on the attack they could fly at altitudes where the SV-51 would be unable to intercept.