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They had Mayan glyphs painted on them, and it was the spiritia power of Sara that powered them. A new thought on the Asuka II (and other) anti-gravity debate: why do the ships remain floating after the parts of the birdman have left? By the logic of the arguements against the ship(s) having anti-gravity generators, the ships should have immediately begun falling after the birdman left.

Anime52k8, reread my earlier post, as I put in a potential reason why the destroyers would be equipped with them. Regarding the Prometheus and Daedalus in space: There has been discussion that because anime company 'a' produced the animation of certain episodes, as opposed to anime company 'b', or 'c', that they have a higher number of 'animation errors.' Well, that could be true, HOWEVER, Macross Zero is considered to be free from animation errors, yet it also has navel ships that float, and contain OT generators that look very, very, very similar to the anti-gravity generators that the SDF-1 was equipped with. Makes you think, don't it - makes me think that the ship/position changes that Azrael pointed out could have been the *real* error, and ALL of the ships were meant to be in that scene :!: As for the crew of the Daedalus and Prometheus being killed - the fold came as a surprise to them, right? That would mean that all, if not most of the doors were left open. We are talking about ships that are also semi-submersible, right? At the very least, they would be able to seal the hatches to prevent decompression, despite whatever your opinion is on their ability to 'fly.' Re: the gun barrels I reviewed the rest of episode 5 (have yet to do that for the preceeding four episodes) and the one or two 'good' images that show both gun emplacments are not clear - thus not conclusive. The size of the gun barrel on the left side does appear to be smaller - but that could just be shading, my eyes, etc.. What I suspect is that the frame-model designer merely cut and pasted the same gun design on both sides of the ship. I still maintain the assertation that the gun on the left side of the ship is a non-OT beam cannon. Perhaps some kind of a rail cannon?

I think that both you and the compendium may both be right. Looking closely at the image, the guns, though similar looking, have different sized barrels. Perhaps only one of them is the OT beam gun, the other being a more 'tried and true' conventional cannon of some kind. The compendium lists the OT beam gun as being on the starboard side - starboard being the right side, and the gun on the right side being the one with the larger barrel...

Ok, than please explain what the machinery inside of the Asuka II is, which is activated just before the carrier floats - said machinery looks exactly like the anti-gravity generators on the SDF-1, as per the first two episodes of SDF:M. On the (Japanese) DVD for episode 5, it is viewable in chapter 2, at 4:57 to 5:00. Both the Daedalus and Prometheus were seen in space, in orbit around Earth, in the second episode of SDF:M. Obviously they got their under their own power, and they obviously don't have large rocket engines. Thus they must have achieved orbit via anti-gravity. I fully agree that the AFOS/birdman made them float, just that it did so via powering mechanisms inside of the human ships.

Possibly. I was looking at the color schemes of the VFs provided in the back of one of the Macross Plus books, and only a handful of VFs had 'UNS Air Force' stencilled on their sides. The majority were UNS. There was only one or two, with UNS Marines.

AFOS activated, and possibly powered the anti-gravity generators inside of the ASUKA II. It was not shown that the other ships had them, but given that the ASUKA II was shown as having them, and only started to hover once they were activated, it's logical that the other ships had them - including the Anti-UN submarine. It should also be noted that none of the ships started to fall once the peices of the Birdman left them.

The Macross compendium has contrary data on the number of beam cannons ("Overtechnology beam gun mounted in starboard".) 97.5% of the time, Egan Loo is accurate... Don't forget to include the anti-gravity generators that are in the ship. Which implies that it is essentially the same as the Daedalus and Promethues ships from SDF:M - they are all surface (and underwater capable) ships designed to travel to orbit. One of my theories is that the Daedalus, Prometheus, and possibly other ships equipped with gravity drives* were used in the pre-SWI period to transport materials and personnel to orbit, for the construction of the orbital shipyard, space fleet, space colonies/clusters, and the moon base; possibly even the Mars base. * given the number of ships that floated in the air during the final battle of Macross 0, it looks like the majority of the ships in the UN (surface) fleet are equipped with gravity drives. Propably as a quick retrofit to get space ships before the space Destroyers and ARMD platforms were constructed... just something to keep in mind while fleshing out the Asuka's battle group - they're probably space worthy, and they probably carry Cheyenne Destroids, that are able to move to the parts of the hull that navel ships don't usually have guns mounted on...

I tend to look at the Japanese Self-Defense Force for answers to Macross military related questions. As there isn't a Marines branch of the SDF... questions, questions. What is certain, is that the VA-3M (Marine) exists. It is definitely mission-suited for the Spacy Marines of Macross - if their mission is similar to that of the UK, and US Marines (primarily water to land operations.)

Agreed. I see a bit of CF-18 action going on where the wings and the cockpit blend together. Something not seen in the YF-22.

Yes, it's the Macross version of Star Trek's sub-space communications. In Macross, they use super dimension space. Some people, somewhere, had a theory that the two towers seen in the line art for New Edwards base are, in fact, sub-space communications antenna. EDIT: forgot to mention that the VA-3C (or at least only the Kai version of it,) can also mount a fold booster - a la Macross Dynamite 7 (or at least the line art from that OVA series.)

Yes... Macross is confusing when it comes to this. There are implications that a navy exists - the terrorists/bad guys/revolutionaries in VF-X2 use submarines. As most of their equipment is UN equipment, it's extremely likely that those unmanned submarines are from the UN Navy. As an aside, the submarines are quite big. They contain missile launchers - the missiles being the size of VFs! It makes little sense for the bad guys to design, build, and field submarines, when they have the technology and ability to manufacture space ships (Untamed Destroyer, and Vandal Gunship,) which are infinitely more powerful... Looking at this in an overal, Macross historical way - immediately post SWI, the focus was on the UN Spacy. However, there would still be a need for ground, or terrestrial forces. At the very least, you could view it as different training regimes to provide specialized warriors for the environment (Army = ground, Air = atmospheric, Navy = water (on, and mostly under,) Spacy = space, Marines = de Marines, etc..) After colonization has started, numerous wars break out between, not space based foes, but between colonies and on colonies! There are definite needs for Army, Air Force, Marine, and Navy branches of the army. If you doubt this assertation, I suggest having another look at Isamu Dyson's military record - virtually all of his combat experience was - against other humans, on colony worlds! Looking at the Macross Compendium, a new question has popped into my mind: there are the UN Air Force, UN Spacy, and UN Space Air Force. What's the difference between the UN Spacy and the UN Space Air Force? Weren't pilot's like Isamu, Ichijo, and the rest, members of the UN Spacy?? Is the UN Spacy the proper name for the ships, and their respective crews, in the fleet, with the UN Space Air Force being the proper title of the VF pilots???

Erm... as the VF-11 MAXL, VF-17, VF-19, and VF-22 are all designed to take the fold booster (at the very least, Kawamori has created line art depicting all those combinations,) I don't think that the stress of a fold had much to do with the performance of the fold boosters.* I can't remember the dialogue of the scene 100%, and you may be right. But what I do remember strongly, is that when they defolded, they ejected the boosters right away, and the boosters appeared to be in the throws of malfunction. Therefore, the boosters were maxed out (and quite possibly, the Diamond Force pilots were put through a rough ride en route.) *EDIT: forgot the prototype of the VF-11 - it also apparently can mount and use a fold booster.

Racism is present everywhere... even the whites, who usually get the better treatment, still occasionally feel the sting of it. Ah well, human nature... just smile, and remember that you are an embassador of your country/culture, and it is better to embaress them with politeness, then justify their actions, with a racist or bigoted response. I think the best way to sum up the relationship is a quote from an ex-Korean g/f when asked if the young people in Korea hate Japanese as much as the older generations do - "as long as they come with money to shop with, we don't care about history." The same could be said about the youth of Japan - they don't really care, and prefer the easy/lazy route.

Ok... going back to the original post, to disect it... You are mentioning some very important things for the nature of the fold, but overlooking a key point: the size of the fold "bubble." The really big space folds (sic. point to point) create a 'bubble' that is larger than the ship, or object, and tend to transport more than the ship, or object. Examples would be the SDF-1 carting along South Ataria island, and the group of Varuta ships that surrounded the City 7 section. The smaller space folds (sic. partial styled fold) only effect the ship, or object being folded. The best example is the Zentraedi Flagship in DYRL - Hikaru and Minmei escape in a VT-1 just after the ship enters fold. The moment that they are outside of the ship (essentially outside of the fold 'bubble',) they reappear in real space. Luckily for them, it was within the atmosphere of Earth, and not deep space, or worse, INSIDE of Earth. In other words, it looks visually cool if ships appear to accelerate into space fold, but it would look rediculous and laughable if large objects (South Ataria island, for example,) are also seen accelerating into a space fold. Perhaps something to consider is the initial speed of the vehicle, or object, prior to spacefold. In Macross Plus, the YF-19 was already travelling at high speed before entering the space fold. That explains why it 'zips' into a fold. The question then becomes, why, when the same vehicle reappears in normal space, in orbit around Earth, is it not moving? I think some time should be spent looking at what little information has been provided by the creators of Macross on the subject: Shinnakasu Industry/OTEC FBF-1000A external prototype fighter fold booster (currently not certified for performing beyond an one-way limit of 20 light years.) From: http://macross.anime.net//mecha/united_nat...yf21/index.html This limitation was highlighted in Macross 7, when Diamond Force folded to the captured City 7, and the fold boosters begain sparking in a dangerous way. The information also clearly states that despite the amount of energy, or charge, applied to a fold drive, there is still a maximum limit. In this case, the fold drive could probably go beyond 20 light years, but how much further until it becomes dangerous? It is definitely not a 'go anywhere' device. I also am of the opinion that the distance that a fold drive can go is based on a) how much energy it can store up in capacitors before folding, and b) how long before the device begins malfunctioning - overheating, for a lack of a better word. As for the nature of space folds in general: "(...) a fold transports a spacecraft in a very short amount of time by first swapping the location of the spacecraft with super dimension space or subspace, and then swapping the super dimension space with the space at the destination. " http://macross.anime.net/story/encyclopedi...fold/index.html In other words, no fold is instantaneous, some just appear to occur faster, because less distance is travelled. The distance of a space fold is entirely dependent on a) how far the space fold generator can travel, and b) how much energy is applied to it. Mechaninac, you are close with your description of required times. From the last link provided above: "(...)an hour passes in super dimension space as approximately ten days passes in normal space." If I'm not mistaken, the fold from Earth to Bodolza's HQ in "First Contact" took approximately 1 hour. However, after escaping and returning back to Earth (in the next episode), 20+ days had passed on Earth. Sadly, no indication on the distance travelled at that time, nor are there any other definite indications of the amount of time spent in fold in any later productions. I guess we could look at the fold to Pluto, as that length of time is documented... but at the same time, was it artistically made to look longer, to increase the tension of the scene?

I originally heard of him from the storm trooper thing. And that's about all that I've really heard of him. I agree that hthe layout of his sight is terrible, and it is difficult to impossible to find stuff. As for his living the otaku dream - glad that I don't consider myself an otaku any longer. The lifestyle sounds so... hollow, and empty.

Did they ever have the Macross Plus or Macross 7 rights? I don't think so. What they did have is the rights to the VF-X2 game. There are a couple more kits that they could release from that - but the chance of that happening is slim, as they have probably already felt that there won't be enough market demand to justify the investments needed to produce the remaining kits. Which kits am I referring to? VF-17, VA-3M, VB-6, etc..

Big discussion on Macross cloning, population growth, and so on. Worth reading as it is relevant to the topic: http://macrossroleplay.org/forums/index.php?topic=823.0

Re: space folds http://macross.anime.net//story/encycloped...fold/index.html Despite the intrigueing theories presented, Keith, folds are all one, and the same. The difference we have to consider is that different animators portrayed the same thing differently - or that they don't really understand the nature of folding, instead opting for something that looks like Star Trek's warp speed, or Star Wars' FTL travel. A theory that myself, and another member of a Macross related RPG have brainstormed is readable here: http://www.macrossrpg.com/docs/index.php/Space_Fold_Travel It should be taken with a grain of salt, and it isn't exactly 'Macross technical words accurate,' however, it is our attempt to justify the sometimes extremely lengthy travel times required in Macross, when a true fold should be instantaneous (even faster than the 'quick' wormhole jumps of Stargate.) Re: the reason why 'it took the Zentraedi 10 years to track the SDF-1 Macross": http://macross.anime.net//story/chronology/2009/index.html (See the 2009.Feb.7 entry.

Do you have access to "Kawamori Shoji Design Works"? There's excellent artwork on the VF-0, and SV-51 in it. The lift-fan cover does indeed become the cockpit cover (sic. heat shield) in battroid mode. As the shoulder and head area are being the engine intakes in jet mode, (and the intakes remain attached to the legs when it transforms,) it appears that the head and shoulders moves forwards, with the lift fan sliding backwards. At the same time, the cockpit rotates about 90 degrees, with the armour coming over it. The nose partially retracts under the rotated cockpit, and the tip of the nose folds underneath itself, to make the stubby crotch of the battroid. Concurrently, the lift-fan assembly splits in half, with the lower half rotating down, to form the center of the back - it's 1/3 of the back, with 1/3 being the lift-fans above, and the lower 1/3 being the folded back nose/crotch piece. Or at least that's what it looks like, to me.

The work was commisioned for the VF-0B model kit created by Hasegawa. In other words, it's doubtful that stuff that isn't going to be on the model is going to be on the box cover. SK didn't draw any sketches of the VF-1 in space either. Sure he, and others, did story boards (and eventually animated sequences) of the VF-1 in space. However, until an art book on Macross Zero is released, we may never know if there were any sequences of the VF-0 in space being planned, or not. At the time of Macross Zero, the VF-1 was already completed, but it's thermonuclear engines were not. As has been stressed repeatedly in this thread, the VF-0 and VF-1 are different because of the very nature of their engines. It is doubtful that an unpowered VF-1 would be used in space. It is probable that other existing space fighters (such as the Hound Dog, Lancer II, etc.) would be used to gather space maneuvering data; even Destroids too, for that matter. But, as none of them are able to transform... Re: sealed cockpits - all jet fighter cockpits are sealed; AKA pressurized. They are pressurized to keep sea-level atmospheric pressure when the jet is far above sea level. The same principles apply to vehicles leaving the atmosphere: keep the air inside. The big difference is keeping things out of the cockpit (ex: water, other fluids.) It has been shown that the VF-0 is capable of doing that too. And for further fun - even Hikaru Ichijo's fan racer has a sealed cockpit and he is able to remain alive in space, while inside of it.

Legal... does the law state that the current owner is liable for the practices of the previous owner? Do we even know what type of agreement google has made? (As in: is YouTube still considered to be a seperate financial and legal entity, and any legal action against it is not going to go to the 'owners', and stay firmly with the operators) Most importantly, how much of the posted content falls under the "fare use" sections and/or clauses of such things as copyright law, and the law created around digital works? And is the host company liable for user generated and posted content? There are these, and a lot more questions out there. What is safe to say is that google has created an agreement, and its legal department has agreed that they have plans to make sure that a) Youtube stays on the good side of legality, b) Youtube remains famous, and c) Youtube will bring in more (given the purchase price, a lot more) profit for the business entity google, and the people who receive a percentage of the company's profits.

the fact that YouTube has deleted the copyright infringing files upon request AND signed some kind of an agreement with two of the big multimedia companies in the USA, reduces the chance of any big lawsuits coming their way. Also, technology, and the general perception of it, has changed since the days of the lawsuits that affected Napster. Please expect more positive results from the purchase, and try to find better reporters than the ones that you've been referring to, to date.

It's a mistake that showed up in one of Tenjin Hidetaka "Valkyries" book too (art for a missile/hardpoint attachment kit.) The two outer reaction missiles are supposed to be co-mounted on a single hardpoint. I guess for ease of manufacturing/assembly/mounting/whatever, they opted to add a third hardpoint, and keept the two reaction missiles seperate.

There is a picture in the Tenjin Hidetaka Valkyries book that has a VF-0B (two seater, with a VF-0A head) with the English words 'Space Proving Wing' stenciled on the side. It was also shown (and mentioned,) that the VF-0 can operate with closed intakes for a short period of time. Therefore, the implications are that the VF-0 was used in some kind of space training, testing, or flying. My two-cents are super high-atmosphere/low orbit testing - just high enough that the air is too thin for a normal plane to work, but not high enough to actually be in space proper; but that's just my take on it.

Please read the article cited. It does mention about them in the Japanese way of leaving things unsaid, but implied. There is no mention nor indication that it was designed to counteract Anti-UN weapons, and by all appearances, it was forced into that role by simply being the only working VF at the time. I really don't care what a mistranslated fansub claims that the Japanese are saying. Egan Loo has time, and time again proven to have provided superior translations into English, and has excellent access to the creators (though, I still disagree with the whole Zentraedi names in English thing.) To clarify: VF-0 = Test bed and trial production model VF-1 = production model They are the same plane... just at different stages of development. Test and trial usually implies that there are more bells and whistles added. Production usually means it is more economical (read: less bells and whistles,) and the manufacturing process has been made easier by altering the design to the capabilities and limits of the assembly line.