KingNor

I intend to force my opinions and beliefs on others, especially in how they conduct their private lives.

I'm ruthless like that.

actually, since the VF's are a new type of "fighter" they arn't really air support, they are.. well.. they're variable fighters. Also, I don't know if the US Navy still exists in the Space War era of Macross but with how crazy Navy's are with Tradition, there's NO WAY the navy would give the Jolly Rogers to the UN. Spacey or otherwise.

More than likely all the VF squadrons would be brand spankin' new. Spacey might even have it's own distinct military structure too. Who knows.

I just don't think any country would give over their squadron liniage to a UN faction.

SDFM is the original and best.

But i also think that M Plus was a brilliant return to the macross franchise and i really enjoyed it. Maybe because its not a direct sequel or a re-hash of SDFM in anyway. It does its own thing and fits inside the universe established in SDFM perfectly.

M7 im not too happy about but dig the VF-17, 19 and 22 ofcourse.

M Zero started really well but ended kinda disappointing. Still it has the best valk fights of any series.

M Frontier got some good stuff going for it.

But i would never want to end the Macross Franchise after the first show. That would be like ending the Star Trek franchise after The original series.

As long as quality shows are being made for the franchise im all for it.

I agree, M+ is a pretty neat miniserise. I liked the beautiful fighter sequences, the music is maybe a tad more universal than minmays..

but in the end. If it meant losing M+ to be rid of M7's magic music, M0's muddling of the purpose of variable fighters and utter strangeness, MII's nonsense, and DYRL's lacking rewrite of SDF's plot points.. I'd do it in an instant.

Thats my position.

so wrong.

I don't care if it's a tv show about a dog taking a dump, if it's called macross I'm a fan.

i find this devotion admirable.

The fact that Macross, especially at it's roots was really ABOUT the characters. The love story of SDF is so central to the story that the whole war almost takes a back seat.

To me it's very much like some of those old Homer stories, you really feel like the people are just totally mixed up in this world they live in, and their lives go on dispite the crazyness.

It's something all of Macross strives for, but I think SDF REALLy pulled it off. I havn't gotten very far into Macross 7 but maybe the reason for SDF's emotional impact is how long it is. It has time to develope the characters AND give the fluff and mechs of the show lots of air time with out competeing for space.

That was maybe my main gripe with Plus. There was a lot of potential there, but it felt to me kind of rushed, with the VF's getting most of the love.

>.<

Thats what I was told. I asked my friend "can't you just play for an hour or two...not 12-15." He said the way WoW is set up you can't just play for a little bit. I've never played it, so I don't know if that is the truth or not.

you technically can just play for an hour or two at a time. but a LOT of the game is setup around instance raiding, including most of the story lines.

So you may invest 20 hour long game sessions into a story line, get engrossed only to have the story force you into a 20 man instance. Most of those instance runs will take hours and hours to complete if you're not in a good instance guild, which you won't be in because you only play casually.

Really, wow is like having a part time job ON TOP of your normal job, and you pay it instead of viseversa.

stay away, value your soul.

as of right now, there's 8 people who agree with me, but doesn't seem like any want to post. Have I put my life into some kind of danger by announcing publicly to the fandom that i only really like SDF? <fear>

I found wow gobbled up too much of my "gaming" time, and even my casual guild managed to get fairly hardcore before i left. It's hard to find a casual middle ground in WoW with out feeling like you're missing out on the main point of the game.

play at your own risk.

It may have something to do with the fact that I don't acknowledge anything, outside of the main Universal Century timeline, as Gundam.

oh no.. so is it safe to say you're more of a hardline gundam fan than macross? unacceptable!

is it the Zentradi equivalent of "smurf"?

Really the only thing that bugged me about SDF was the jumpy animation quality, i personally liked the characters and mech designs better than even DYRL.

There is NO question that DYRL had much better production value though. For the look of the show though, i'm all about SDF, I just wish they'd had a budget to keep things looking a tad better and re-use less animation.

I am utterly alone :-(

Fair enough, but honestly, i'm not even a huge fan of DYRL. it muddies the events of the original show, makes roys death too heroic, and makes the VF's paintjobs kinda bland. PERSONALLY I'd be happier with out it confusing things in the name of movie format and flashier graphics.

Like i said, I'm hard line. I just wonder if anyone else is.

Everyone is familiar with my insistance on SDF being by far the strongest Macross of the bunch. What do you think, and please, why do you feel the way you do?

I want to see if I'm completely nuts of if there are others like me.

I totally agree with 'KingNor'on how military aircraft and any serialized military kit in general is ultimately recycled; regardless of whether or not the original user of which died using or not. But... my original comments were for Roy's DYRL Skull 001, which was completely destroyed along with him, deterring it from being handed off to anyone. The TV series Skull 001 of course, was indeed handed off to another pilot after Roy stubbornly flew it home despite his wounds.

War is certainly hell and the general public don't tend to pay as much attention to the loss of their own troops as much as they should perhaps. Soldiers differ radically in this regard I can assure you. Soldiers...unlike the general public in some unfortunate cases, definetly notice the loss of their friends. Believe me, I've had enough of my closest friends come home in a box from Afghanistan to notice.

In the end, I was simply voting for Roy's Skull 001 as my personal choice for ultimate Valk. To each his own of course.

"My bad" - Optimus Prime (apparently)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about the DYRL Skull 001. In the case of a total loss of vehicle yes, it would make total sense to "retire" the plane. The new "Skull 001" would just be the "Skull 00#" of who ever got promoted to be the new commander of skull squadron.

The SDF Skull 001 would definately been returned to service, at most with it's distinct "Roy" paint job replaced with a standart paint job. Since the plane is officially designated Skull 001 though it obviously can't be reissued a new serial number. One could argue that the SDF flight wing DID repaint Skull 001 to some standard paint job only to have Hikaru repaint it to Roys colors as a tribute.

Of course that's ret-con and totally not even hinted at in the story, Skull 001 stayed the way it looked because it was a cool looking plane.

Anyway I agree with you and appologize for misreading your post.

Which is a long-running gripe I have with most mechs.

I LOVE the destroids, in part because they acknowledge there is no rational reason for them to be humanoid.

even the destroids sorta bother me. though macross is nearly unique in supplying a somewhat believable reason for giant robots: threat of giant invading aliens.

This is why the implication of Mzero that transformable mecha planes are just inherently bad ass compaired to conventional fighters pisses me off.

IRL the first transformable fighter plane would be less capeable than the purpose built fighters of the day. Take for example VTOL tech in real life.

imagine if when the harrier was designed it somehow was 10x better than every other plane in the air. or if the f-117 stealth fighter (which maxes out at around 600mph) could go mach 5 or soething.

NEW TECH = substandard performance in most cases when first introduced.

It's a very anime and hollywood concept to think a prototype will be better than the production run. I think concept cars have given us that impression, "man look how cool that car is, if only the production car was that good." But in reality those concept cars are just fluff, they dont' work usually and if they do they're 90% some other tried and true car, the prototype never* sets the land speed record.

*usually :-)

In SDF the VF-1 was designed and sent into the feild. When war broke out it was apparent the plane was only just capeable of doing it's job so the fast/super packs and armor kits were designed.

One of my many problems with the subsequent VF's (and the VF-0, goddamn i hate the VF-0) is that they took a cool concept from SDF and turned it into an inexplicable staple of the serise. now EVERY vf comes out with a fast pack kit, why not just make the plane faster, why do they keep building planes that can't handle the work? They had a legitimate "unknown" before, but now it's just stupid.

ok ok,, geeze you guys. got me ranting :-)

I wasn't a big fan of how they tossed the 001 squadron coding off to Max and then Hikaru after Roy's death...to me, it seemed to take away from Roy's death.

well in real life if a pilot dies in a plane they don't retire the plane or the squadron, even if it is the wing commander.

Look how long the real life jolly rogers have been around, you think they hanv't ever lost a CO?

While maybe it would have been nice to have a big pomp episode of the entire SDF crew mourning the loss of Roy and retiring his plane and liquidating Skull Squadron, the fact that none of that happend gave his deat real meaning.

War is hell, you die, and hardly anyone notices, and you move on.

Fits the over all theme of SDF Macross quite well.

All this culminates in my liking of everything SDF above the rest.

OH and one more thing, a few pages back someone had said that the VF-1 gunpod was boring and had no detail. Well if it's good enough for the US military, it's good enough for my anime. Again what i love about the VF-1 and SDF is when in doubt the show would lean on reality, not spiky anime tech.

the vf-19 is indeed sexy, i admit that. especially in fighter mode, who couldnt' like it.

My only problem with it is that it looks like it was designed to be sexy, unlike the vf-1 which i think looks more like it was designed to look solid and believable and in the mean time also looks cool

I don't think it's any coincidence that the vf1 has some of the simplest transformation and least amount of spikey fancey bits, it doesn't dangle it's wings off it's legs in a neat, but perilous way, or have overly huge head spikes.

I like it's blocky, sturdy apearance. It's the only VF out of the bunch that when painted standard grey actually seems like a real fighter.

As the franchise gets older imho it flirts more and more with Gundamism, and Gundam's mechs are something I reject outright :-)

Like many others here, I found MW after being banned from RT.hell

I was looking for Jetfire's at the time. I had some childhood bias' towards the Jetfire version of the Valk till I started to remember "row-boat-tech."

After learning about and aquiring the original SDF Macross it's been gravy every since.

Sad as it may be, many of us owe our hardline Macross fandom to RT. Just one of those things.

to quote myself:

"VF-1 Valkyrie

It's simple, it's beautiful, it's original.

As far as the show goes its the least "super robo" of all the VF's in that it tended to only barely be up to the tasks it was presented with.

There is just so much to love about the VF-1. Including the fact that it's one of the few REALLY standard VF's in all of Macross. After SDF you started seeing the old standby prototypes and super duper custom jobs.

Dispite main character paintjobs, the VF-1 was a work horse, the VF of the common man.

The one and only VALKYRIE. "

[KingNor Feb 8 2007]

Exactly where you found it. The naked MMS bodies can be ordered online from that JP Konami store. I don't think they ship outside of Japan though... or you can try Yahoo Japan.

i can't read it though, i can't buy from that site.

any idea where i can find this:

http://www.konamistyle.jp/ecitem/item34468.html

FIXED!

Actually it all comes form the Starship Troopers novel...

And you can't really tell a movie from the Aliens side... it would be like, "yes the food comes! The food lets get it! Let's eat this one, and lay an egg in this one, yeah!"

so far, more entertaining than the last 3 movies featuring xenomorphs.

Okay.

How could it be a secret?

Hundreds of people work on movies. Some one, out there some were knows something. They might not know it all but nothing a secret,

info on this will leak eventually, it always does. remember how early on we had that image of bumblebee?

this trailer has only been out for a week or so, just give it some time.