Duke Togo

The Cylons WERE machines, and they "evolved" into bio-engineered beings. As far as who the humans are and what waits for them on Earth, we can't really say for sure, but it is looking something like that. There is something very Xenogears-ish about it, with a bit of Blade Runner thrown in. I haven't seen Gall Force in probably 17 years, but if I recall correctly, that may be about right. I get the feeling thousands of years down the line, the Cylons will have lost all sense of themselves as anything but human, and to them, in their stories and history, Galactica will be the 13th tribe heading off into space.

Zinjo, you totally lost me.

The original TMNT series is a joke when compared to say, the comic book, which was violent and vulgar. My TMNT killed people hard core, and all wore red.

What you are saying is, you wanted the original series. Fair enough, we're long past that point though.

Because the market dictates otherwise.

Now that is something totally different. That was Lucas pandering to the fans. It starts with the Fett family in Clones and went all over the place from there. What is going on in BSG is much different. Its clear you are totally missing what is going on with the series. You keep bringing up probability and chance, and neither of them have anything to do with what is happening. They are all part of a finely orchestrated play, and they just don't know it yet.

I didn't see that in Star Wars (if anything I feel that Lucas tried to incorporate too many locales and too many characters in the prequels, as opposed to what we saw in the OT). And with what we've been given with BSG, and what we can make educated guesses about, you've still lost me. It would be like putting a DVD in of Fight Club, watching it more than once, and expecting "Jack" to not be Tyler Durden in further viewings. BSG is pre-determined, pre-destined; it has happened before and will happen again.

You seem very determined to make a "they raped my childhood" argument here. This show is not for you

No, no it doesn't.

I guess you could call it that if The Matrix was based on completely new and unique concepts. Its just a rehash of stories we've seen done over dozens of times, while directly ripping off a few others. In my opinion, at the core of BSG is the question of "what is humanity", which is, in contemporary sci-fi terms, more directly related to Blade Runner, which Moore cites as an influence in the series.

No. Actually, you've totally lost me.

Pre-programed, I think.

This cartoon is not for you. Get over it.

You're totally not getting it. This is all pre-determined. "All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again."

This is old news, and I'll say now what I did when this first came out (and what Kung Flu has expressed): this show is not for you, its for kids. Their audience is not a group of 30-somethings who grew up watching it on TV as a kid.

You haven't been paying close attention while watching, have you? None of what has happened/is happening is by accident.

Can we have a separate thread for the people who want to bash/support Macross 7?

Cylons aren't robots. They are bio engineered beings. Think Replicants. You guys need to think outside of the box here, everyone is thinking classic tin can Cylons and Six. The "final five" are something much different, and we'll no doubt be seeing some big twists in the 4th season.

No

So this has turned into one of those threads. That's great.

Russian with a dark past in what looks to be modern day Liberty City.

Older. Possibly much, much older.

Chief is old generation Cylon, like, pre-Six generation. Probably pre-Cylon War I.

BINGO! My PC > than any of the consoles.

I don't think anything we just saw is what we may think it is. I think we'll just have to wait and see in 2008. Still no podcast for the episode...