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It just seems to me that the Vajra seem like the opposite of the Protodevlin. It seems they are attracted to and awakened by good song energy, ie: Anima Spiritia while the Protodevlin were repulsed by it. By taking Grace's comment, it just seemed to me like she wanted to foment hate as if it was, like some kind of song of destruction, etc.

Her bodies are synthetic. She's like a replicant. Her real consciousnous or whatever drives her is remotely somewhere else.

I don't know what happened to the title of this thread, it looked like it got cut off. It was supposed to say "Protodevlin feed on spiritia = Vajra (or the real evil behind it) feed on hate?" Can a mod fix that? The protodevlin seemed to feed off positive energies of spiritia (sorry the title said anima spiritia by accident) by draining them. Spiritia seems to be a positive energy (happiness, joy, exhuberance, vitality, willpower, hope, excitement, etc.). This was combatted by anima spiritia which was too pure and powerful for them to absorb. When Grace activates the dimension eater, she says that "The hate will never stop growing". This seems to me like the classic sci-fi theme (or maybe even cliche) of aliens who feed on fear or hate and therefore cause other species to fight each other to feed off that. Is that an accurate translation? I originally thought it was "My hate will never stop growing" and I thought it was a personal vendetta she had (like she was part of the research fleet with the Global and something terrible happened to her in the past - like the classic anime cliche)...but on rewatching it and noticing several things like that the Dimension Eater was made by Luca's family and that Grace actualy says that THE hate will never stop growing. Any thoughts?

No, that the pinkish energy was to me, pretty clearly exploding from the crystals or the mother/ranka's suffering (the same pinkish glow from her abdomen, the mother Vajra had energy coursing out of her breached crystals, etc. and was about to explode... and not a main cannon of any sort either tha Vajra ship or the Global's - see how the animation shows the whole Global is enveloped in the pinkish energy glow. It's energy that is going outwards from internally and not a cannon which would either come from the main gun of the Global or from under it which would have vaporized it. Instead the glow comes from the mother Vajra's lair and this causes the Global to crumble later on after the blast. And seriously, Luca's family really does make some scary stuff. They made the bloody dimension eater thing.

I also believe there was a real Grace at one point and she was killed and replaced by this well... Replicant.

Oh Ranka will have something baking in her oven care of Alto, but it won't be english muffins!

Digital painting might get you brighter colors or better gradients and beautiful backgrounds but the inherent laziness in the cost-saving technique (click, paintbucket fill on mask) will never capture the texture and flow of colors, lightning, and shadow as was in 80s animation. It also seems that the dynamic action, energy effects, speed effects, character designs, and mechanical designs of the 80s are a lost art and we'll never capture those little touches that always seem to appear in 80s animation to surprise you at the intricacy of a certain something even if the overall animation isn't that great.

It's too bad only half of one OVA of Rem was released.

Come on guys! It's classic anime! I'd take it in ANY format that I could get my hands on! Is this related to Dream Hunter Rem?

I'm thinking one much too obvious "sci-fi" explanation is that the Vajra are creatures native to fold space.

Actually, layer. Referencing the mother-vajra and not her den.

Don't know why some people are watching RAWs when Kei's sub has been out for over 12 hours.

That's very likely given how Ozma mentioned how Ranka ended up playing Dr. Mao.

So Sheryl obviously didn't take whatever pill Grace gave her. Knowing that that Grace is evil, that's a good thing. What was that magic pill? Some sort of genetically enhanced techno-drug? Grace is most likely the no. 1 culprit behind getting Sheryl sick and keeping her in bed.

It's obvious what happens. At the start of the next episode, Alto will just in time, reach his fold pack floating in orbit and get out of there easily. Since the Vajra are going to Frontier, Michael and Sheryl will just end up back home (sadly, no POW time where they can get close like Hikaru/Misa lol).

Wow, this last episode just brings back more homages or perhaps sheer lift offs from Aliens like the infested guantanamo crusier. Everything from the government experienmenting on aliens for research to the egg layer, the holes melted into the ground... Somehow I wanted something a little more elegant for the Vajra than for them to look like another Aliens cloned storyline.

Agreed

Being that Alto was diverged to discover it by the alien eye exhibiting strange powers in the waters of Gallia IV, the simplest explanation is that the SDF-1 arrived there via alien means and therefore has nothing to do with earth or human fleets or fleet movements or humans installing new fold engines or relaunching the ship or building more SDF-1 class vessels or anything like that. Given that in Macross, protoculture technology has been shown to be able to do some very bizarre and implausibly powerful things, it's also the simplest explanation to assume that anything bizarre or out of this world (like the sudden appearance of the SDF-1) is again, caused by that alien power. I don't know why I'm debating this either but I'm just frustrated that the people who are saying it's another SDF-1 class ship are seemingly ignorning all the signs given in the very episode in which it appears.

No, not at all. That the simplest solution is that there are more ships of it's class is a subjective conclusion. I feel that simplest solution is that the Macross is the only one of it's class and the simplest and most logical solution is that this IS the Macross. How can the simplest solution be the one where there are more SDF-1 class ships when it's never been substantiated in any form? When what we see in front of us is quite clearly a very classically rendered DYRL Macross (Frontier and Macross properties have taken the DYRL stylistic route as canon, if not the narrative), when Alto exclaims that it is Macross, when the next episode preview says it's Memory of Global??? It is actually the more complicated and therefore unlikeliest solution that there are more SDF-1 class ships. That any SDF-1 class ships built after Space War One bear the exact likeness of the original SDF-1 Macross. That they are all called Macross (thus Alto's confusion), and that this particular one is also related to Bruno J. Global. In Ockham's Razor, you don't ignore explicit evidence either. There is nothing wrong with either statement. You have to construe everything in the context of Macross and how it's narratives and symbols have been presented. Every Macross series has had something very important and epic to say. Macross Plus showed the confluence and conflict between man versus machine. Macross Zero showed just how powerful the protoculture technology was and the origins of man and his violent nature. Macross 7 showed how powerful culture, songs, and spiritia are. This show has always gone to lengths to show you the most improbable and most magical and most epic solutions to the questions and situations that it poses. Therefore, logically, we can assume that Frontier will similiarily not disappoint and that whatever appears to be the SDF-1 will therefore be related to the original and is not something derivative or pedestrian as simply another SDF-1 class vessel. It makes no sense in the thrust and context of where we are in the story right now and how the Macross universe has been unfolded over all these years. In a series where ships can easily space-fold across the Galaxy, there is really nothing stopping the Macross from leaving from earth and appearing on Gallia IV. It seems that you are setting yourself up for disappointment and limiting your imagination. Why WOULDN'T you want it to be Macross? Why would you want a pedestrian and mundance explanation from a series that has proven it has no fears of being epic and almost magic in scale in it's explanations (Shin being saved in a wash of mystical light and taken into space in Zero). When has anything in Macross happened for no good reason??? Why would you expect that as the default situation when the series has shown that it's arc has been carefully plotted and paced far ahead of production? Whatever it turns out to be, I fully expect it to be the representation of the classic Macross and not something illogical and irrelevant to the plot and the entire Macross universe such as suddenly infusing it with more Macross class ships. It makes no sense in terms of the story as it's been unfolded in the franchise and carries no emotional weight. It's either the physical manifestation of the original Macross or it's an illusion created by that eye in the water (more nods to the Protoculture Birdman from Macross Zero). Given the evidence of past Macross series and past story arcs, it is the simplest answer to assume that Frontier will also follow in their footsteps and not present the mundane but something magic. Like Arthur C. Clarke said: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from Magic".

Sigh, do you have any understanding of Ockham's Razor? In the absence of evidence or proof is it is more reliable and evident to accept that something does not exist rather than to presuppose an elaborate explanation to try to make something exist. Given the wealth and sheer mass of canonical materials in animation, designworks, publications, official releases, videogames, etc. etc. etc. over 25 years : If we haven't seen any canon evidence of further SDF-1 style Macross ships in them that aren't themselves THE Macross, it is logical to assume, that there simply are not any more SDF-1 style ships! Zinjo, going by your insane logic, you might as well go into the real world and study every zoological and taxonomical textbook ever written and still conclude and zealously believe that there are Unicorns in Utah. There's no proof either way!

What would the WTF-1 stand for if the UN SPACY wanted to name a ship that? Heck, they are naming organizations after Nuns so go crazy.. Wierd Terriffic Fortress - 1 Wonderful Terran Fortress -1 Wanker Topless Fortress - 1 ???

Actually, Ranka saw it flash across her personal screen for no reason whatsoever at an angle that makes little sense for the VF-25's cameras to capture. Whatever force caused them to crash by controlling the VF-25's systems also flashed that image there.

It's the SDF-1. It's always had an air of mystery about it, such as when the original fold engines kept folding and left the Macross behind. Perhaps they reappeared or some external force folded the Macross between M+ and Frontier that we don't know about (also leading to the changes resulting in NUNs). I'm guessing that the fold transit left the Macross in the dilapated state, perhaps it defolded in orbit and burned through the atmosphere in decent only to crash on Gallia IV. In any case, it is Global's Ship as the preview states. Alto even calls it the Macross instead of an SDF class ship. We have never seen any indication of any SDF class ships outside of the Macross in any show or canon material, it is a one of a kind design. It would make absolutely no sense to build any more of them. It is both a powerful symbol to the people of earth and also a restoration of an alien ship that is unsuited to human usage without extensive modification. Finally, in terms of fan service - it simply has to be the Macross for maximum effect and to give this series the heavy nostalgic connection to Macross that it deserves. It is the 25th anniversary show afterall.

You forget the most logical answer. Moving it across the galaxy and dropping it onto another planet (it probably defolded in orbit and burned through the atmosphere) probably did some wear and tear.