Doktor Gonzo Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Hey MM, just out of curiosity, is your valk fully rigged, or do you manually position its poses by moving around the constituent parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 MM, absofreakinlutely gorgeous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatterBoy Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Mechmaster, Is that a transformable valk or isthat based solely onthe Hasegawa Batt? :Dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechmaster Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Dok... Its all manual, I've tried using IK in the past but it just doesn't seem to give me the fine control I want. Plus, having no IK restraints sometimes allows me to cheat a little and achieve poses which wouldn't be physically possible in a real Valk. Dat... Battroid only, I'm not too keen on transformable Valks because of the proportion issues between the different modes. Also, because I mainly produce still images I didn't consider it worth the effort of trying to make it fully transformable, I made my Legioss transformable but keep a seperate model for each mode, I've never used its transformation capability since I finished building it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Gonzo Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Hey MM- Just out of curiosity, would you mind laying out your battroid parts in a fighter configuration and rendering it? I've been curious to see what kind of a bastardized fighter those sleek Hase battroid parts would Frankenstein into, and this seems like a less painful way to do it than sacrificing a kit. If it's too much work, please disregard. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechmaster Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Hey MM- Just out of curiosity, would you mind laying out your battroid parts in a fighter configuration and rendering it? I've been curious to see what kind of a bastardized fighter those sleek Hase battroid parts would Frankenstein into, and this seems like a less painful way to do it than sacrificing a kit. If it's too much work, please disregard. Thanks! I'll give it a try sometime this weekend. I want to get round to building a fighter mode Valk at some point and I will be using as many parts from my battroid as I can as it will probably be easier to adapt existing pieces rather than build entirely new ones. I can do this as a sort of dry run to see how much work I am going to have to do later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Gonzo Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 My obvious guess would be that the oversized limbs will give you an undercarriage that's too wide and WAAAAY too long, that the full-width arms will force the legs out past the edges of the chestplate, and that the fighter will be snubnosed and small-tailed. But I'l LOOOVE to see how the specific proportions work out. Who knows? Maybe it'll be a cool look.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Whew! Modeling is all done on this baby, except the cockpit interion, but that can wait. Frontal 3/4 view: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 And the rear 3/4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 And here is a "new" one: the commander version of the Ishkick: Front 3/4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 And the rear 3/4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechmaster Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Great work mechaninac. I haven't seen that commander type design before, is it actually from the show or is it an original design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechmaster Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Here it is Dok, as anticipated the fat battroid legs really push the width out, the arms weren't too bad, it was mainly the shoulder armour that was bulked up. The fit between the chest and back sections was poor, the back being much flatter then the chest, leading to a mismatch. Considering that the model was never intended to transform it looks a lot better in fighter mode than I had expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Gonzo Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Yeah, that doesn't look terrible at all. Doesn't look like you'd have TOO much work ahead of you to generate a fighter-mode model from this guy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Great work mechaninac. I haven't seen that commander type design before, is it actually from the show or is it an original design? I've never really noticed it on the show and would love to take credit for its design; alas, it is not an original. The commander version is an Orguss canon Gerwalk. I based my model off my original standard version Ishkick and Takatoku's toy of the mecha. I don't actualy own the thing, so all my model work was based from a couple of pictures I copied off an eBay auction (see bellow for the toy box). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechmaster Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Cool. So I guess you're working on the Ishforn now? Do you plan on doing any more Orguss mecha? I've always fancied doing the Orguss itself as its one of my favourites, but I tend to struggle with stuff that has a lot of complicated curves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicviper Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Here it is Dok, as anticipated the fat battroid legs really push the width out, the arms weren't too bad, it was mainly the shoulder armour that was bulked up. The fit between the chest and back sections was poor, the back being much flatter then the chest, leading to a mismatch. Considering that the model was never intended to transform it looks a lot better in fighter mode than I had expected. mechmaster: you can move the legs to its initial position, since these are 3d models and not toys, there's not problem if the legs and arms overlap in fighter mode... this is what I'm planning to do to improve my valk in robot mode. Also, this is what they do in psx VFX1, so it is somewhat an "official" method V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted November 23, 2003 Author Share Posted November 23, 2003 On the subject of proportions ... Here's a collage of a few pics I used to get my refs ready for modeling. (I'm ASSuming) Most people are probably relating "proper" battroid proportions to the battroid in the pic, and the Hase fighter is now the "true" cannon fighter ref. The gerwalk is the bastard of the 3 xforms cuz it covers up the inconsistensies between fighter and battroid morphs and is generally not as big an issue as the other xforms. It seems as though people only care that the knee and hip joints have TONS of rotation. I used the battroid pic in the picture to "thicken" the Hase back, chestplate, arms and legs. What I wasn't going to compromise (too much) was the Hase nose. It was too beautiful a sculpt. I did eventually, and while I didn't shorten and "stubify" it like in the ref, I did widen it a bit (to match the chest), and enlarge the canopy ... more bubble, looks cooler. Rather than morphing objects or having seperate objects for the diff modes, I went the route of coming up with my own balance of beef and beauty. In the end it turned out looking like a less toyish 1/48. That's good right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Gonzo Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 I think it's time for some new pics of your beaut, Az... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theBW Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Hails all Nice Work I really like all your work how would you like to have them in a macross game.ME and my team are making a Macross: Do You Remember Love? Mod and would like to show off some of your work the engine can do divx movies and 3d art. Blackwolf Macross:Do You Remember Love? TC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted November 24, 2003 Author Share Posted November 24, 2003 (edited) ... ask and you shall recieve ... at least for today ... forgive the unfinished textures. The mesh is 95 percent done and the textures around 75. This is from one of my favorite box-art poses. Edited November 24, 2003 by Aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodavan Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 I can only say WOW ! That looks fantastic ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Gonzo Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Gorgeous, bro, just gorgeous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lparisek Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Wow Az... Looking good. Mech: I have to ping up and say 'Semper Fi' to your valk's textures... "Dear Santa, All I want for Christmas is a nice Macross CG poster. Well, then there are those LCD screens, and the new Dual G5, and the hand held fluke oscilloscope, and ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted November 24, 2003 Author Share Posted November 24, 2003 It does look good doesn't it? hehe Look at that pylon attach fitting and leading edge rivits. Whew ... Don't wanna map THAT again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodavan Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 I have been struggeling for a few days now to get the lights perfect I think I am getting close ! (Sorry for the big picture Mod) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Gonzo Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 SWEET. The bump detail looks great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Aztek, Rodovan....fantastic work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaplus Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well, here's my own little contribution to the project, such as it is. I decided to buck tradition and use the DYRL blueprints instead of the Hase, but I figure that's not too much of a problem...I've personally got no problem scaling parts during transformation to make 'em look right in all modes. Other Render 1 Other Render 2 Other Render 3 The back looks kinda funny, I'll admit; guess that's what MeshSmooth does to a large flat plane at the end of a cylinder, oh well. I'm gonna Boolean some detail back there for the nose-pod gimmick, so it ought to take care of that right quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodavan Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nice Zeta I haven't seen the DYRL blue prints before or have I <_< Can you post them for me please ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaplus Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nice ZetaI haven't seen the DYRL blue prints before or have I Can you post them for me please ? Thanks Oh, I got them here. Just go to one of the dozen or so Color Scheme threads, they have Valks in all modes, all angles, DYRL and TV. More Valks than you can shake a GU-11 at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatterBoy Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 (edited) MIne is also based on the DYRL template. At the time when I made it, I didn't have the hasegawa model sheets so I used those instead. I have to say, they do have their own charm... but I am contemplating doing another sculpt in the hasegawa style since the top view looks to be a bit wide in batt mode. :Dat Edited April 28, 2004 by DatterBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted November 26, 2003 Author Share Posted November 26, 2003 Wide and thick is the key for battroids, sleek and thin is the key for fighter. That is the intrinsic delimma of trying to model a non-morphing valk ... ... and the reason for many sleepless nights ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatterBoy Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 With that said then, what mode does the YAMATO non morphing toy look best in? And which looks better for a non transformaing model? the Hasegawa cone, or the DYRL model sheet curved cone? I suspect it's as Aztek said... a compromise of whatever looks best to you. :Dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaplus Posted November 27, 2003 Share Posted November 27, 2003 Man, Datter, I wish mine looked half as good as yours. Mine's got some rather ugly artifacting around the front of the canopy, ewww.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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