VortexVFX Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I baught a box set of the first three Initial D comics(It was a steal for 10 bucks at Radio Shack). Do you guys know of any more box sets that Tokyo Pop have released of this series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander McBride Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I think they only released the first three, they want you to get into it that way, then pay out the ass for the rest. Pick up the DVDs if you haven't already, and make sure you get the HK sets. Tokyopop absolutely ruined ID with their edits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VortexVFX Posted September 11, 2004 Author Share Posted September 11, 2004 Like what kind of edits....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander McBride Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Well, if you watch the Japanese version, they simply added a lot of stupid video effects (split screen, negative, etc). However, if you watch the English dub: -some of the worst writing of all time. Everyone has suddenly become a wannabe rapper. -New music, very low quality rock and rap. -Edits in the content of the dialouge, including stuff that later becomes central to the plot. -All the car sounds changed from the authentic sounds in the Japanese version to generic ricer sounds. -Character names all changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panon Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Well, if you watch the Japanese version, they simply added a lot of stupid video effects (split screen, negative, etc). Um, no, this is not correct. That is *optional* and can be turned off. The dvds contain the full uncut video and Japanese audio with subtitles. Only an idiot would buy the bootlegs over the official release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander McBride Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 The copy of the first tokyopop DVD that I watched did not allow the effects to be disabled. Selecting either the original version or the dub didn not make a diference. Addtionally, only an idiot would buy the Tokyopop DVDs. Regardless of the Japanese version changes, the edits TP has made to the dub are such that no true fan of Anime should support such a horrible desecration of any series. Buying them is giving the message to Tokyopop that it's OK to do such things to series. What if someone did this to Macross?....... Oh, wait, THEY DID! It was called Robotech! The difference is that was 20 years ago, before anime was even a word known to most americans. Do we want to return to an age like that, where companies edit series to such a degree that they have no connection to the original but the animation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panon Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 (edited) The copy of the first tokyopop DVD that I watched did not allow the effects to be disabled. Selecting either the original version or the dub didn not make a diference. Well then I'm sorry, but you were doing something wrong. Every TP Initial D dvd has given the option between watching the 'classic' (original, uncut, unaltered) version and the 'tricked out' version (the terrible one with all the video edits). Addtionally, only an idiot would buy the Tokyopop DVDs. Regardless of the Japanese version changes, the edits TP has made to the dub are such that no true fan of Anime should support such a horrible desecration of any series. Buying them is giving the message to Tokyopop that it's OK to do such things to series. Bottom line - it's just a dub. Who cares when the proper version is there in it's correct form anyway. Edited September 11, 2004 by Panon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ychanus Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I wouldn't recommend this series if people are watching just the Tokyopop version. There are huge reaction everywhere that ID fan were very angry. I agree with Commander McBride that only idiots would buy tokyopop version after being warned in the first place. Peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander McBride Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 The copy of the first tokyopop DVD that I watched did not allow the effects to be disabled. Selecting either the original version or the dub didn not make a diference. Well then I'm sorry, but you were doing something wrong. Every TP Initial D dvd has given the option between watching the 'classic' (original, uncut, unaltered) version and the 'tricked out' version (the terrible one with all the video edits). Addtionally, only an idiot would buy the Tokyopop DVDs. Regardless of the Japanese version changes, the edits TP has made to the dub are such that no true fan of Anime should support such a horrible desecration of any series. Buying them is giving the message to Tokyopop that it's OK to do such things to series. Bottom line - it's just a dub. Who cares when the proper version is there in it's correct form anyway. The one I watched was a very early production model, before the DVDs went on sale. Maybe that's why the Classic version didn't work properly. Still, the TP DVDs are in the neighborhood of 25 bucks for 4 episodes. The HK sets are 35 for the entire series! And the subtitling and video quality are as good as, if not better then, the TP version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowlightman Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Still, the TP DVDs are in the neighborhood of 25 bucks for 4 episodes. The HK sets are 35 for the entire series! And the subtitling and video quality are as good as, if not better then, the TP version. Not to mention they're stealing and the original creators get none of the money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander McBride Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Actually, the HK ID sets aren't bootlegs. They're legitimate releases, licensed and all, just for HK sale. They even have the "The original copyright proprietor has licensed this.... etc warning on them, and a barcode. True unlicensed bootlegs have barcodes very rarely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Well, if you watch the Japanese version, they simply added a lot of stupid video effects (split screen, negative, etc). Um, no, this is not correct. That is *optional* and can be turned off. The dvds contain the full uncut video and Japanese audio with subtitles. Only an idiot would buy the bootlegs over the official release. Actually, from what I've heard you're wrong there, buddy. It seems dialogue was edited for content in the Tokyopop subtitled version. Here's what I've heard, some of wich may or may not be true. Even in the subtitled version, the original music is not used as the music rights were seperate and too expensive for Tokyopop to pick up. I'm not certain this one is true. The entire subplot of the one girl's "papa" is still edited from the subtitled dialogue. I'm fairly certain I heard this from a reliable source. Names are unchanged, but Tokyopop has a reputation for bad dialogue translations. Still, other than the missing subplot, I imagine they're better than a bootleg, if not quite up to par with subtitles by nearly every other legitimate distributer. I think I also recall hearing that while the ricer sounds were toned down in the subtitled version, they're still not the same sounds as the original Japanese audio, this one could also be wrong though. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a huge ID fan, so I'm not inclined to get the series either way, but this is what I heard from friends who were huge ID fans, and from forums on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander McBride Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 The Japanese audio tracks are unchanged. However, the translations are edited, and the video effects remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowlightman Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Actually, the HK ID sets aren't bootlegs. They're legitimate releases, licensed and all, just for HK sale. They even have the "The original copyright proprietor has licensed this.... etc warning on them, and a barcode. True unlicensed bootlegs have barcodes very rarely. News to me, but I'm about 9000miles away from my boxed sets so I can't double check. Horrendous what TokyoPop did to Initial D, almost makes me glad I stopped caring about/watching Initial D... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinnai Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 The translations arn't edited. The Natsuki/Papa relationship on Tokyopop's DVD's are still the same as the original japanese storyline. The english dub is different. It's misleading. Tokyopop DID change the Natsuki/Papa relationship in the manga, but then changed it back to what it was originally due to fan outcry. The anime is unchanged. Besides, the relationship doesn't even get into detail until Second Stage when Emperor shows up. No translation edits, no audio edits (all the original BGM's and songs are still there), no visual edits. In fact, it's painfully obvious that Tokyopop actually have 8 episodes per DVD (how it's possible, I don't know) due to the english/japanese versions. The english dub has so many edits in it, that finishing times are different, and most episodes in english cut to the credits a good 2-3 minutes before what they originally did, unedited. If you can understand what I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 That's good to hear, sort of. Still, the encoding quality probably took a hit from cramming that many episodes per disk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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