Bariaburu Faita

On 6/14/2021 at 12:32 AM, Knight26 said:

I wonder what the chances are that we'll ever see the "lost valkyries" in some form of fashion.  Things like the VF-5/6/7 etc...  I'm not even saying as hero valks, but more like background craft, kind of like what we got in Macross Plus with the VF/A-14 and VF-17 (D/T) in the background.  I remember years ago we even discussed whether one the line of VF-11 back ends in one shot were actually one of the single engine valkyies.  I'd love to see some of those show up as characters were doing something like walking through an air museum or airpark at a base.
On that note, what do we think of the idea that some of the "low cast" variable fighters might not be able to transform into battroid mode and be akin to the Mac-II Gerwalkroid, or the Orguss Bronco-II.  It seems like the most complex features of any valkyrie would be the Hands/arms, hips, and heads.  So if the VFs were limited to Fighter and Gerwalk mode only that would cut the development and maintenance costs significantly for the "poorer, and lower risk" colony worlds.

Anyway, just a thought.

some of the unpublished missing link designs were displayed at some of the Macross events at the Tezuka museum

49 minutes ago, Zinjo said:

Most MacGuffins don't really need to be explained once they are revealed to be irrelevant to the story...

it was already 100% answered by Sketchley

46 minutes ago, Glasswave said:

Ugh that blows! Do you have any insight into why an established company goes through the laborious and expensive task of creating a line of painted prototypes only to promptly mothball them for all eternity?

*On a side note sometimes I feel doomed to be a mospeada addict..we get precious little respect and the aftermarket is smoldering barren hellscape!! :/

I work at a company that does heat treatment for injection molding tooling. The cost of producing a prototype is insignificant compared to the cost of the tooling to mass produce it. And then you have the cost of training workers and setup costs for the actual production line. You stand to loose much more than the money invested in a prototype if the product fails to sell some multiple of 10,000 units.

18 minutes ago, tekering said:

Yeah, but the vast majority of it is pornographic parody (and as you say, fan work)...

One of these fans that made doujinshi, was Kenichi Sonoda. A large number of people working in the industry got their start in doujinshi and have the belief that it is ok to borrow content created by someone else.

its a cliche to say its a culture thing, but it really is. Japan has a culture of accepting copyright infringement on a large scale. The biggest example is the twice a year(pre covid) Comic Market where half a million people cram into crowded halls to buy fan works of copyrighted characters. With the official license holders selling official goods one building away. And very few get sued. The corporations understand that this fan work enhances their brand, and allows it.

so, cancelling full review, I just leave you with;

avoid "The Omnivous Plus"

one of the reasons I wanted to do this, was to warn some people of the non standard content in some of these issues, in case they were trying to collect them.

This is actually how I got started in collecting dojinshi, I looked up the titles and showed images of the covers to dojin store staff and asked around.

By most dojin standards they are pretty tame, but certain issues have had bad reactions from some other Macross fans I showed them to in IRL. So it might be helpful to warn others that might try to do what I have.

8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The only place I can recall ever seeing stuff like that was in modeling magazines showcasing kit customizations from the 90's and early 00's... specifically ones that replaced the GBP-1S thruster "backpack" with a complete NP-BP-01 booster system from the Super Pack.

(Like the one in the October 2002 issue of Model Graphix)

Thanks for research, but it was a painted image from early 80`s. im kicking myself for not buying it at the time.

Would it be ok to post a review of these;

http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/books/_books_hentai.htm

which most certainly includes vulgar and sexual content.

Which publications did the GBP-1A armor with beam cannons replacing the missiles appear in? I believe it was in an early 80`s anime magazine.

And she already had her distinctive deep non idol voice. I wonder if her hardsuit color in BGC was in consideration of her MILK outfit.

8 hours ago, F-ZeroOne said:

According to a recent video I saw on the making of “Crisis”, a lot of the music is... ahem... “inspired” by other tracks... 

probably the same one I watched. it also mentioned that Kinuko Oomori was in a "rock band" before BGC. but when I looked it up, I found this instead;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEbZQxTTevA

here is a slightly better quality one from a wide show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H2AkYbJ-3Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ws1wlWAZ4U

Jeanne Mas - Johnny Johnny

which I believe Bubblegum Crisis 5 Moonlight Rambler - Mysterious Night was a homage to.

1 hour ago, JB0 said:

That's kinda unfortunate, since their age is logical for the circumstances and underlines exactly how screwed up a situation the Macross is in. They're accepting children as pilots because they need pilots desperately enough to ease up a bit on societal standards.

I think its a little of both. The industry standard at the time had mecha pilots as teen boys by default. Macross found a in universe justification for it as well.

17 hours ago, Beltane70 said:

Which isn’t really an issue considering that Hikaru, Max, and Kakizaki were all high school age in the original TV series. 

Isn't the vast majority of main Macross charactes high school age?

The main exceptions are Plus and Zero. And the lack of character goods sales for those characters probably influenced them to go back to younger main characters.

So, eventually someone else will have to take over as the main show runner of Macross. Who should it be? So far Hidetaka Tenjin has been producing excellent Valkyrie designs faithful to Producer Kawamori`s originals. And he has been given the opportunity to direct some of the recent Delta promotional shorts, so with a couple more years of learning production craft, I think he would be an excellent prospect as a successor.

See Hayao Miyazaki as an example of how his retirement might go.

These are also high on my want list.

12 hours ago, JB0 said:

I have to ask: does it MATTER if Macross 2 is canon or not? The show can be enjoyed without the explicit blessing of the powers that be. 

That is the point of the thread, Dax415 wants to know how to fit Macross 2 into the canon. That is how he wants to enjoy the show.

10 hours ago, jvmacross said:

Meltran ships  are not real?  Or does he mean they are equivalent to the Zentran ships?  That may be true for the SDFM versions (other than color variations)...but they seem completely different as depicted in DYRL......but DYRL is a "dramatization" of the events of SDFM so maybe they really are not different "in-universe"???

Sounds like a question Seto could entertain....

I decided to drop the question after that, and talk about legend of the galactic heroes instead. After I get to know him better I might revisit the subject.

8 minutes ago, jenius said:

What makes you say that? I know it was never finished but I understood that to be related to the difficulty of keeping Mikimoto's attention rather than not generating any interest. Apparently there was enough interest for it to survive moving from one publication to another.

its on life support, as a webcomic. no print volume for sale since 2015

also, very little presence in shops when new volumes were sold. And I went to a signing, where barely anyone showed up and I was able to get ticket 1 easily. after some time where he sat at his table with stacks of unsold manga, Mr Mikimoto left early.

7 hours ago, jenius said:

Maybe this means Macross the First is the next animation project.

Unfortunately the manga bombed badly in Japan, and is not likely to happen

These furoku are exceptionally rare since they were usually built by the kids who bought the magazine, very few exist in collectible form these days.

5 hours ago, Marzan said:

I like the idea of it being a work of fiction inside of other Macross' series. Makes for a troublefree watch without the headaches of continuity.

So far retconing to a in universe fictional account of a historical event, is what they have done for SDFM, DYRL,7,Zero, so I think likely they will do it for II too.

The last time I talked to Mr. Fuso of FANKY企画 was quite some time ago before the COVID stuff. But I specifically asked him if he would be willing to write another Macross Ships dojin featuring other races ships like Meltran or Protoculture. He said he didn't consider the Meltran ships to be real, and had already started work on LOGH book.