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Ok, so let me get this stright.

Bandai America's semi-official reason is that they couldn't get the license for the Zeta song openings correct?

Yet SEED DID come out with the original op/ed intact.

I think it's safe to say T.M. REVOLUTION is a bit more popular then the people who did the songs in the mid 80s.

To me it's yet another UC brush-off, in favour of yet inferior product-in-better-packaged AU.

Sigh, it's got nothing to do with this supposed victimization UC fans have a complex about.

The Zeta openings and the ending were composed by an American musician by the name of Neil Sedaka. If you go to his page there, take a look at his biography and you'll notice that the guy does appear to have quite the lofty opinion of himself, so the chances of him asking for a considerable sum of money for rights to the music is one I'd quite easily believe. I'd equally believe that Sunrise would take the cheap option and not pay it.

Seriously, you people who think they're out to badly treat the UC need to get the hell over yourselves and take a look at reality.

If you think the AU series are given such great treatment, then you've obviously ignoring the fact that the Wing dvds were DUBTITLED, and the G-Gundam dvds also had an innaccurate, quasi-dubtitled sub script that often differed from what the characters were actually saying (do I even have to mention what they did to G's dub?).

In fact, the only parts of Gundam to be treated well so far are the UC series, since the UC original movie trilogy, the OVAs and Char's Counterattack are the only ones to really come out with no issues.

Bandai USA don't do this stuff, their hand is forced by Sunrise in Japan and when it comes to screwing up anime, nobody does it better than the Japanese.

I mean personally, I think they should have spent less time and money on things like pencil sharpener figures and getting art done by the Saber Marionette guy and more on making that "Perfect Collection" name on the front of the box true. The should have gone all out on that - I paid $250 years ago for the complete 36 episode Macross set, and I was only too happy to do so - I would have done the same for 50 episodes of Zeta in a second if they'd treated it with similar respect.

Unfortunately Sunrise just don't seem to get it. Theres little anybody can do about it either except vote with your wallet. I won't be buying these imperfect dvds and will just get the R2 ones instead.

However, the MSiA Impulse Gundams are not without QC problems. Here's the issues I found with mine: -

[*]Force # 1 = Slightly warped barrel on beam rifle.

[*]Force # 2 = Waist ball joint too loose, toy kept coming in half at the waist. Problem fixed with a coat of clear nail polish to the ball joint and socket

[*]Force # 2 = Left side skirt armor came off the first time I tried to put the folding knife inside. Side skirt armor is held on by glue, so I had to reglue it with some super glue.

[*]Sword # 1 = Perfect, no QC problems.

[*]Sword # 2 = Perfect, no QC problems.

My Blast Impulse hasn't arrived yet, but I've had pretty similar experiences with my Sword and Force Impulses.

Sword is flawless, no QC problems at all. My Impulse however had a slightly warped wing on the flight pack. Nothing noticable on the shelf, but if you look up close you can see they're off line and not symetrical.

About the only other downside is they almost seem anorexic standing next to my GINNs, which just have a more solid feel.

I don't think those pills he takes has anything to do with him being a clone but more with something like the drugs the EA's three Gundam pilots were cranked up on.

Nope. They even acknowledge that Rau's genetics are messed up (the only other known clone in the SEED universe, Prayer Revarie, also suffered from similar genetic problems) and he also takes them numerous times when he they wouldn't be needed for mobile suit piloting.

Knowing he's a Newtype, what would be the point of making Raww a Coordinator?

Nobody knows what Newtypes are or that they even exist.

Have the GINN suits been totaly phased out from ZAFT's frontline inventory? Going by the Astray manga, it looks like plenty of diffrent factions used GINNs, that almost anyone could get ahold of one. Gai used to use a GINN until Lowe gave him the Blue Frame.

Is anyone there saying "Hey wait, ZAFT doesn't use GINNs anymore they use GuAIZ units. Those GINNs could be anyone..."

Nope. Older model GINNs and CGUEs are still in plentiful use by ZAFT's main forces.

The next ep preview is intresting, Showing the plant forces going out to battle, agenst who,its not entirely clear, im guessing its the Zala Zaft faction as i did not see any EA mobile suits during the preview, and not the EA as the EA is prolly still recovering from the colony drop.

It's a large scale Earth Alliance attack on the PLANTs.

The mobile suits you can see are the new EA mass production model Windams.

Yeah, I agree that it is the right way to translate his name because that's how his name is actually pronounced in Japanese, just that fans gave Schodt crap over it because the accepted Japanese romanization of the name has always been Char.

I haven't actually got a copy yet, but I believe the latest reprinting of the novels has the names all revised to their official forms.

As for which part is canon, I believe that while the TV and movies are both canon in their own way, but the movies take precidence when the two conflict.

Bitter ain't we?  I mean honestly what were you really expecting?

If ya hate it, get rid of it buddy that's all ya gotta do.  You can I guess trade it off at Gamestop for 10 bucks, out 15-19 dollars and live with the pain. 

I mean can't we just be happy that we're FINALLY getting with the show biz and startin to get all the Gundam shows coming to THIS side of the pacific? I'd rather buy something official than a boot with subtitles being, "I can't believe I licked my father" with a sad Camille after killing his father.

If anything, you got your money's worth with 2 discs for the price of an ordinary DVD pricing.....

You do realise he didn't actually buy it or anything, he's just engaging in some rage-against-the-evil-Bandai stupidity based on what he's read here.

Second disk has the movie with an English 5.1 audio track, an audio commentary track by the Sunrise producers

In English or Japanese? Is it by producers who were actually producers during the production of the film or just some dudes recently hired by Sunrise?

Not sure, I haven't actually gotten it myself.

I believe it's in English though, as the dubs ADR Director also take spart in the commentary.

So what's in the 2nd disc?

First disk has the movie with Japanese and English 2.0 audio tracks, and mechanical files (mobile suit and mecha info)

Second disk has the movie with an English 5.1 audio track, an audio commentary track by the Sunrise producers, trailers, image galleries and a Universal Century timeline guide.

My money stays with artificial newtype experiments.

I'd say not, since the three haven't exhibited any Newtype-like traits, being a Newtype doesn't not grant one the ability to use Coordinator level mobile suits (remember Mu as a Newtype had no ability to use a mobile suit until Strike was equipped with an Orb made Natural OS) and that nobody in the SEED universe actually knows of the existance of Newtypes.

No, just no.

will they be airing them any othetr time this week, i kno they usually dont but since its a premiere they have replay it sometime this week

Repeats are on Thursdays.

While watching the show I saw the commercials for FMA. It looked interesting. Any quickie comments the series, like what's it about, why it's good, etc?

It's probably one of the best anime series made in years, even though it's risking a bit of hype backlash now.

Premise, story, characters, music, they're all great. It keeps itself grounded by having an element of humor but is quite a dark series (it's on AS for a reason).

It's just remarkably well put together. Very little filler in it's 51 episodes, and almost everything matters - things that seem like minor events or one-shot characters all tend to have some importance in the overall story.

I don't really see how Impulse has a clear advantage over Strike. The Silhouette packs just don't seem to me like they'd be anymore efficient than the Striker packs were.

I don't see how Impulse is not clearly superior to Strike in any way you can compare.

It's power is essentially unlimited - no battery limits like Strike.

Striker Packs weren't made for automated and efficient rapid switching and Impulse's are.

Impulse's weapons load out is *vastly* superior to Strike's, making it a much better multi-purpose unit.

Even back in the 80's, the art and animation of SDF-TV sucked donkey balls. The TV-story was only interesting because of Hikaru and Minmay romance, which was lacking in many of it's contemporaries like Gundam. 

That's why DYRL stomps all over it. Animation and story-wise.

Which part of the DYRL story "stomps" over Macross TV?

The turning of the background story of Protoculture/Supervision Army/Zentradi issues into something so simplistic and trite as "men vs women!", as well as dumbing down the story as a whole?

The sheer lack of character development?

The poor pacing?

The transforming of Roy into a drunken caricature, including having his own cliche 'heroic death' versus his shocking and realistic one in the original?

The replacement of the meaningful "Love Drifts Away" in TV's final battle with the more general love song "Do You Remember Love?" in the movies final battle?

DYRL has superior animation to the original - and nothing else over the TV series.

I would place Zero, as well as any other part of Macross (maybe with the exception of Dynamite 7) above DYRL without a seconds thought.

I love Macross 7, but trying to inexplicably tie it into other parts of the Macross world through dubious leaps of logic based on flimsy evidence or where it honestly is never even hinted at, is doing those parts a disservice.

Seriously, not even Kawamori looks at Macross this way and has said as much. Macross has never had a continuity where you can join up all the dots perfectly at it never will.

Different sides of the same coin, and all that.

Macross Zero certainly doesn't make any clear distinctions. You could argue it runs off the proper timeline, or the alternate DYRL one.

We know from the original that the Protoculture visited Earth, and manipulated what would become humanity. It makes perfect sense that they might leave behind a 'defense system' if you will to ensure what they've altered doesn't enter space as a culture of warfare.

As much as I find any DYRL elements creeping into the canon distasteful, at the same time, DYRL's take is viable, where the Protoculture lived on Earth in peace, but fled when the war they had created through the Zentradi/Meltrandi finally reached the Earth system. It also makes sense that they would leave behind a system, given that they faced their own destruction at the hands of one of the creations, that they would leave something behind to ensure that the race their had influenced would not become a race of war, in the event that they could one day return again.

Beyond that, there isn't any real link as such to other parts of the series. I honestly believe there is *no* link to Macross 7 in this show other than the very basic Macross theme, and there isn't meant to be one. Nor is it needed.

I got the dvd a couple of days ago. The movie is terrible.

There are so many things wrong with it that it's just easier to list the things they got right - the music and.. well, it certainly looks like it was an expensive production.

That's it.

Do NOT take the trailer as an example of what the movie will be like as it is incredibly deceptive (that description on cdjapan is also wrong).

Think it's going to be an action packed special effects showcase? Nope.

The movie is 141 minutes long. The action scequences (of which there are about three) probably make up not more than 8-10 of those minutes, tops.

The rest is one of the most tedious, incoherent and painful to watch movies I've seen in recent times.

Plot holes galore, nonsensical subplots and twists, weak action, no character depth and absolutely no fun factor. It just bluntly hammers and hammers away at a theme which we've all seen and heard before.

1/5.

Macross 7

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Macross Plus OVA R1 and R2 jap

image quality are same

[-] heavy crosscoloration=VHS rip

[-] Ruined gamma

What kind of broken TV are you watching these on? Neither are "VHS rips"

damn. way too soon.

they should've waited a week before releasing.  this ain't gonna help the R2-sale to recoup the investment.

I think you overestimate the Japanese otaku.

They will buy the DVD nonetheless, and hardly anybody in Japan looks at non-Japanese language homepages anyway.

Anyway, the Japanese who wanted to download this would have grabbed it off Winny the day it was released, not because an English fansub got released.

1) Roy's relationship with Claudia in SDF-M, as depicted in "A Rainy Night", is hard to reconcile with his relationship with Aries.

I don't see where the conflict was. The relationships with Aries and Claudia were during two very different time periods, the one with Aries being much earlier and being over by the time Claudia came into the picture.

I repeat myself.

You can repeat yourself as much as you want because I've no interest in arguing semantics.

Bandai's representitive has said their are no plans at this time for an individual release set.

If you can't see that for what it is, then feel free to keep your head placed firmly in the sand. Zeta has been relegated to a niche title and while there very well may still be an individual release done, it won't be any time in the near future - in other words, you don't get the LE, you could be waiting a long time.

newbie question, i seem to have forgotten where i can get all the episodes, i've seen 1,2,3 and all the pics of 5, where can i get them all again?

http://a.scarywater.net/aone has active bittorrents for all four episodes that have been subbed so far.

for starters, as an animation student, i can tell you the excuse that the animation is done today as opossed to 20 years ago is total BS.  a professional animator can make something look like its moving properly without  the technology of his craft to forceing him to make things look like they're moving faster and more impressivly.

the mac zero valks look like they are outperforming the sdf valks BECAUSE THE ANIMATORS WANTED THEM TO LOOK FLASHY not because cg just makes things move better.

Uh.. that's EXACTLY my point. It's 2004. Valkyries should be made to look cool and to look like advanced superfighters compared to conventional aircraft.

They should not have to fit some standards for how they look or move that was set 20 years ago.

and the monsters claws?  well if the monster has a tripod already wtf are the hands for??  why didn't it use its tripod?  the hands make no sence.  HAD the hands been a prototype for hand to hand combat, and been shown to be inneffective, that would have made more sence, that was my point.  i know the hands on the mk1 arn't for hand to hand.

As I said, for additional balance and so the hands don't take 100% of the stress from the recoil.

As for the arms, no missile launchers on the Mk1, added later to the Mk2. As you can see in the picture, the arms are almost totally taken up by the 'claws'.

i think another problem people have with the seemingly "advanced" stuff on the prototypes is how out of sync it is with the way real prototypes are made.

i mean, when i see early f-14 prototypes, they didn't have tons of equptment for them, they're swing wings barely worked, and they didn't have vastly diffrent crap on them like tail gunners, or bunches of extra fins or swing wings that went all the way to be like forward swept wings. they basicly looked like crappy f-14s.

No the problem is that people for some unknown reason expect an animated feature made in 2002-2004 to be restricted by the limitations of animation from 1982.

Things just look more details and move better because the difference in animation quality is large.

The VF-0 does look like a "crappy" VF-1. It's bulkier, less aerodynamic and has bits and pieces all over it. The VF-1 is smaller and more streamlined.

Likewise the Monster MkI is a crappier Mk2. It has lesser armament, a bulkier stability system and greater recoil problems.

and the vf-0... how is it it can carry an entire drone on its back when the "super valk" needed huge boosters to help it carry the little bit of extra armor it had. stuff like that just makes the serise stand way out of chronology.

Huh? The Super Valk was made for zero gravity combat in outer space. It didn't 'need' the boosters because of weight.

it would make sence if the original monster had arms something like the "gladiator/spartin" thing, that was later scrapped when they saw how limited the monster was in hand to hand. or what if instead of hands at all, it had tripod like extra legs something like what earth movers have and it simply planted them.

The 'claws' are NOT for hand to hand combat! They're for stability - the 'claws' as well as being able to lock in on the carrier would work off the carrier (unlike the cables suggestions) as the Monster could take a position and spider in (that's what the appearance of it looks like) fire, then disengage and be mobile again.

Also the Monster does have an extra 'tripod' leg - it extends from the rear and absorbs the recoil there, to balance the handling of recoil between the front and rear.

the monster mk1 has missle launchers on each side of the body, but they unfold into claws. (unless i'm mistaken and those arn't missle launchers built into the arms......?

They're not missile launchers.

I've never seen anything official that would point in that being the upcoming scenario for Zeta Gundam.

http://forums.animeondvd.com/showthreaded....=&Number=655677

No plans to release individual disks in the forseeable future.

So DYRL? is public domain???

Of course not.