Jemstone

So others could see it's awesomeness and understand it?

A7, if possible can you explain what the hell happened at the end of RAW tonight? Cannot make sense of it.

Let's not give Hollyweird anymore bright ideas......

I didn't say you came into this wishing it was true or trying to force it as truth. While I completely disagreed with you I guess I can't really hold you as fault having read that you aren't the only one to make such a comparison. What the women told you wouldn't hold water unless they also told you the size of the stone. I'm sure. I guess I can't fault you on that either only because this article posted back in October about Shatner's kidney stone made the same comparison (I stills ay it's a stupid comparison tho). Only Shatner and his wife did treat the removal of the stone as a pregnancy and claimed he gave birth to a girl.... http://www.trekweb.com/articles/2005/10/27...f36d1b8ac.shtml No..... I'lla dmit not everyone deserved my blanket insult. I guess it boils down to just you, JBO and Sundown. Fine, I retract my statements saying everyone is retarded. However, others agreed with what you initially said so I included them. Are you going to frame this post of mine and hang it on your wall? Perhaps the argument should be rephrased to "Any kidney stone the size of a marble or bigger maybe as painful as childbirth". The general original statement was just false. Eh... I thought it was one of those things that goes with out saying on your behalf, ya know? LOL Hearsay with a medical license is entirely different. The simple point is one can't make such a broad statement that "passing a kidney stone is as painful as childbirth". It's not true because of the blanket nature of that statement. I mos likely missed that because I skimmed over your essay long posts and flat out ignored the last one. That whole loose end issue will have to be rectified some other time. Skullleader, we are on topic because William Shatner himself is retarded. See? No, idea if that's the original stone or not. One I saw on Access Hollywood looked even larger.

I don't hate you. I just don't think much of you. You're not charismatic by deafult of an avatar you had. Charismatic men don't need to things like "Mai Shiranui" as their avatars. Take spoints away right there. That indicates a man that tries too hard and the charismatic man need not try but just stand there and the women will flock to him......

Hurin, you call that brief? It's late but I'm replying anyways so bare with me while my brain's still somewhat working. It is valid and that's what I was saying. I can't make such a comparison because I am woman. Which is why you can't make the comparison and say "but that's what women have said" since you are a man. First off it's hearsay and not exactly "evidence" and what wasn't taken into account was the variable size of the kidney stone. I have passed a kidney stone but it wasn't much due to the size of it. Short summary instead of long biology essay:Female human body designed to give birth so it's more tolerable pain wise (we still exist so there for....). Urinary system not designed to pass kidney stones. So naturally one would immediately choose passing a kidney stone as what would be the most painful. However, that's false and I'm proof of it. Of course the worst part of the whole "saga" was JBO introducing the idea of possible orgasms during child birth as some sort of reason why essentially child birth would lessen the pain of it. That's completely retarded/stupid and too complicated to go into (which after all these pages I don't think needs explaining). Yes! I didn't experience something like that and never could. Therefor if I ever said "Getting hit in the solar plexus is like getting hit in the balls" would be retarded on my part. I was following you untill you rolled your eyes. There was hardly anything else introduced by anyone of you guys next to the fact you "some women have said". I already explained above why the comparisoin to child birth just does not work. Apples and oranges. Maybe a better comparison would have been the rupture of one's appendix? I thought that's what my problem was back then only to have the doctor correct me and tell me if it had been my appendix I'd be in far more pain. You never told me you had a website to which you might post them to. You just threatened to put them up (yeah threatened) and then I called you on it which brought about our last go round.

Oh, please, you're never done. I didn't evade, dodge or modify anything in any way. I even told you that one of those persons met you in person and then changed their mind about you. Then this person told me I should keep an open mind regarding you and that this person changed his mind. Yes, this person knows of all of this bad blood between you and I. 2 people actually. I didn't send a barrage of IMs to go after you. Our discussion was taken to PM. Stop trying to paint an unflattering picture of me to use your own terms. It wans't a barrage of attacks as we were replying back and forth and never saw eye to eye (that tends to result is several PMs). For that matter I've never thought much of myk and have told him so. It's not like it's surpising he's one of your "IM buddies". If you want I can name the person I ahve openly disagreed with on MW and could careless about. It makes no different than me. I didn't name people that badmouthed you when I was telling you people hated you because I always felt they should have told you so upfront. Of course you met one and another now thinks highly of you. So people change their minds, big deal. It doesn't erase how they initially felt about you. If you can't see the irony and the parallel then you need to take off your rose coloured glasses. I still urge these people to come forward but I could see why they wouldn't want to for the whole board to see. Now if you please, once again show me where I was evasive? I did miss a couple posts of yours in this thread. You can start there if you like (or will you actually really be done as a lame route of taking the "high road" to claim innocense in all fo this. As for that SIlent Hill thread, I never even saw that last post of myk's (I got busy that week) but actually I did agree with most of what he posted in that post. Underworld 2 just came out and is a perfect exmaple of his post but Silent Hill has nothing to do with the "girl power" genre he was bashing and rightfully so.

I've actually seen this with my own eyes and it was my fault too. It's a guilt and shame I'll never get over. Back in my sophomore year in HS during a gym class we were playing volley ball. I went to spike the ball but hit it sideways and hard. It hit hhis kid named Matt Westhaver in the balls. I'd never seen so much suffering like that in my life. He was slumped on the floor for a good 10 minutes before thye could even attempt to take him to the nurses office. It was hard for me to watch and my guilt drove me to tears. It's been 13 years and I still feel like I owe him something for the pain I caused. A pain I knew I'd never fully comphehend and don't want to.

Well, again. The "I'll save her the effort" post was also entirely and only mine, posted fretfully because "Have YOU given childbirth?" isn't something usually asked of a lady, or at least not in that manner... My bad if you would have preferred to answer yourself. Hey, when did I ever claim to be a "lady"? I'd have prefered to answer it myself. Not so much you did it by yourself. While you started it, it's not your fault it continued. You aren't responsible for what others say. Heck, I don't even think ill of you because you did at least point fault towards yourself. That's very admirable. My problem is mostly with people who are acting like there is nothign that they said that was stupid or just offensive (because when they say such things it's always meant in fun). If you want...... Hurin, once again ignores my point and makes up his own reasons for what I replied. BTW isn't it ironic that back when I first told you some people IMed me and told me that you were annoying, you didn't believe me, claimed I was making up people to attack you and now you are doing the same? Don't you just love irony? I know what people think of me and I make no apologies as I think they're pretty low being unable to say it to my face. I could careless what people like that think. I don't even actually love my job. It's just very useful but with that attitude why should I "share" things otherwise quite valuable to a message boards based on animationa nd science fiction. Bravo, Hurin. You really hurt me.

MB? Politics? Why is it "politics" to state a simple fact?: That you're well-known as someone who is incapable of civil disagreement? Regarding my story. People enjoyed it. You didn't. Therefore, I'm very satisfied. It's the best of all possible outcomes. I'd be disappointed in myself if I posted something that you enjoyed. This thread is largely about kidney stones. Often, while treating stubborn/problematic kidney stones, catheters, cameras, and other instruments are passed into the urethra (sometimes all the way into the bladder and then up the ureter into the kidney!). Someone else had mentioned catheterization in the context of how painful foreign bodies in the urethra can be. Therefore, my story was relevant as a possible side-effect of such procedures. Not to mention, it's an odd, releated story that I hoped would entertain some. So, you can spare us all your "just protecting the thread" rationalizations. Meanwhile, your contribution to this thread, as usual, is to cast aspersions, call names, ignore inconvenient counter-points, and basically just, yet again, make an ass out of yourself while trying to demonstrate your moral and intellectual superiority to everyone on an internet discussion forum. That's quite a high bar you've set for yourself there! But God bless you for trying so hard, each and every day, to attain your goal! You're a star! And don't ever let anyone ever tell you different! Jemstone, it's people like you who make it so we can't have nice things on the internet. 362481[/snapback] You're still going? I said you needed self control about what you post in refrence to yuor own admittance that maybe you should be posting that "story" you posted yet you went on a tangent not even in regards to what I meant. Why? Because you just assumed my saying you needed to stop was some kind of general jab at (you). Then you continue to say why people don't ask me things anymore like you know exactly whateveryone else posting thinks.... It's message board politics and I don't think I need to explain this. Your story was gross and you should have kept it to yourself despite your best intentions. Nobody needed that mental picture. I'm not the only one who said you shouldn't have shared yet I am the one who got attacked by you. Still, your clarifying why you posted it here doesn't exempt you from the blatant attack you made on me for dun dun dun.... the wrong reasons. Stop looking for reasons to argue with me. Yes, I want to slit your throat and just outright despise you. Low Viz lurker and Death hammer get on some people's nerves just for posting such long winded posts. You sued to bother me for that very same and yes, very shallow reason. Then you just continued to try to hard to show your moral and intellectual superiority to everyone on the boards. Yours was nonstop. You are quite the hypocrite because you are exactly what you accuse me of. I on the other hand won't mask my dislike of you and why. It's shallow and I know that. I've never held myself in high moral standards. I never claimed to be paradigm of good behavior on the boards. Hardly the case with me. It's people like you that make people like me dislike boards like this. I've thought of leaving but each time other posters have said "don't let someone stupid run you off". Well, there's stupidity all over the boards. MW is a clusterf*ck of a clique that really hates "everything". I have a wodnerful career that gives me a backdoor key into both the film/animation and game industry. Want to know why I don't share things with the boards? Because it will get ripped to shreds no matter what it is. I've had the Silent Hill trailer sitting on my HD for 2 weeks (a whole week before it was released) and I didn't put it up for a reason. Not because I don't believe people don't deserve to know things (that's never fair) but because I know people will scoff at everythign and say "it sucks". Makes it very hard to justify contributing these thinsg to MW. That's just one example of things I could share. Last Oct I got to have lunch with Don Bluth and group of professional animators. Would be a great topic to get into but why bother when someone like a "DOWN WITH EVEYRTHING" Hurin will just piss on it? I think not. In the meantime you can keep dreaming up reasons why you think I'm so belligerant and condescending. You seem to know everything as you try so hard to demonstrate with each passing post.

Ya know I've never been hit in the testicles but I don't have to have them to know it hurts to get hit there. I have been hit in the solar plexus during sparring and it hurt like hell. Yet you won't find me saying "Damn it hurt. Like getting hit in the balls." Sure it'd get the point across but the comparison would just be silly since I really have no idea what it's like to get hit in the balls. He did and I was going to respond but then when the speculating and "I'll save her the time" posts came up and the nonsense continued, it's hard to really to give you guys credibility collectively. I was really hoping somebody was gonna just say "Wait till she answers". Hurin is constantly looking for reason to tell me "You're full of hate" insteda of looking for the constant repeating occurances that aggravate me. I think my aggravation is more than justified (Hurin just too eprfect an example) and anybody who at least had the guts to open their eyes and see the rampant overall behavior of MW would agree to. Glad I can be of service.JBO, you know I meant uterus when I typed urethra. Does that make you feel better? Does that somehow make all my points you dodged invalid? Yes, I know what anectdotal means and this why it was stupid you mentioned it. Casual viewing or heresay does not make a story true. I think you just go chew on that Twix I offered you but oh, right.... you were joking of course.

Why? Because you might get even more abusive, condescending, and belligerant? Only you could take a whimsical topic where someone mentioned that some women found passing a kidney stone worse than childbirth and turn it into yet another one of your inquisitions with the patented "everyone is an idiot here but me" sub-texts. You wanna know why people don't bother to ask you direct questions anymore and few outside your immediate circle bother to interract with you publicly at all? Because nobody trusts you to respond civilly. You've demonstrated again and again that you're simply not capable. It's too bad too, because when your posts are stripped of all the invective, accusations, and hate, you usually have something substantive to add. H 362359[/snapback] HELLOOOOOOOO, you just told a story about orange ooze dripping out of your schlong that had absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the topic. I'd say that's plenty reason right there for anybody to tell you to just stop. However, thanks for continuing to prove why you get on my last nerves because you feel you think you know everything and still keep track of the "MB politics".

I'll support Keith on the no-nos of double sided discs. Only because the potential to scratch one side is greater. Dune's still a bad movie anyways.

Aren't you the glutton for punishment trying to be a hero for your fellow guys, Nightbat. This thread doens't have to be the scientific thread as an excuse for guys talking out of their asses. Considering nobody making assumptions and claims took into account that the pain surrounding kidney stones usually depends on the size of it, I'd say that's one reason they are retarded. Whatever mental handicap they had be it excitement, impatience or plain old laziness on their part doesn't excuse the fact it's just retarded to compare the two. Seeing how I have passed a kidney stone, I'd say I'm pretty qualified to have some say on this topic. Fortunately for me it was caught quite early and the size was relatively small. Other than a bit of discomfort I'd take that mild pain over a child going through my urethra anyday. Then again I never dealt with a kidney stone the size of the one Bill Shatner had so that's as far I can comment on. The orgasm idea being tossed around is just as silly and suggestive for one very specific reason due to the urethra's spasms during both sexual intercourse and child birth but this isn't the place to discuss it (do any of you even know exactly what the female body does during an orgasm? I do but then I'm female so...). The fact it was brought up at all by men no less is retarded. So, how did trying to tell me off go for you? Did it happen as well as you imagined it to go? Hurin, you really need to learn self control and know when to just stop. You really do.

So they continue to make this film the perfect cure for insomnia. I've read the books and enjoy them but the filmis still long, boring and makes no sense to me.

I'm just sitting back at work and enjoying how outright outrageous, completely audacious and frivolous you boys actually are to believe you are knowledgable conecerning the natural process of giving birth that you will never experience or truly udnerstand (living vicariously through a spouse does not count). Then to believe you have an inkling of comprehension of how a woman feels for what is openly described as "anecdotal evidence" and has the most miniscule percentage of something that happpens every day since the existence of homo sapiens. It boggles my mind how arrogant you boys are to even believe your understanding of such a thing without at least a medical degree for a comparison for the very unnatural process that is passing a kidney stone in a part of the body not designed for such. I just especially like how Mike goes to say I'm right but then says I shouldn't be talking. Then you all take it upon yourselves to speculate if I have children when you could just ask me directly. Sundown, I'd like to thank you for confessing just how retarded this all is. How you can't help but participate because it's a fascinating topic to you. That's a step in the right direction. Nice to know the fanboys on MW are truly experts at everything to the point they don't need to research or base ideas on any traditional input. The sh!t that comes out of their asses er mouths is enough proof and factual information to base all these enlightening theories. Including and not limited to other members procreation histories. Truly, you are all retarded.

JBO, do yourself a favor and just shut up. The day you become a transgender, get pregnant, and have a child you can talk. In the mean time just shut up. Not surprised of the stupidity that would try to compare child birth with passing kidney stones but this is retarded even for you guys.

Don't count on it..... He'd rather be playing poker.

He's not even supposed to have an animated avatar. Roy will delete it once he sees it.

You'd be surprised. Lots of times some great sequences are left out. If possible they are recycled and used in the future but there's always tons of work done that never see the light of day. Especially if it's left out due to story changes.

Um, can you all PLEASE get back on topic?

Actually, Fox's involvement in 3D is very limited. Ice Age and Robots was all Blue Sky Studios. Fox simply funded them since they were a very small studio that primarily worke don commerscials when Ice Age was in preproduction. After the movie's success Fox bought them entirely (and destroyed their unique and uselful internship program ). Please don't give Twentieth Century Fox credit they do NOT deserve.

LMAO. I actually told him this back in Oct when I met him at a film festival. He said he believed it works better due to the "on hand' reference for the animators. An ex-Disney employee then told him he needed to hire better talented animators if feels that way. LOL

OMG... Shamus is freaking awesome. You need to see one of his stage performances. That would change your attitude about him.