Phalanx

I'm trying to close this blog down but I don't know how to lock topics.

I started this topic after I was thinking about sci-fi anime. I noticed that in Japanese Sci-fi anime and video games, a vast majority of them have aircraft or spacecraft that look more sleeker and wicked than those you would find with American movies, TV shows, and games. For example with anime you have the Valks from Macross, The Vanguards from Vandread and for Japanese video games, the Vic Viper from Gradius and the Silverhawks from Darius. opposed to the ships you see in B. Galactica, Star Wars (some of them) Star Trek and for games you have that ship from Wing Commander. Please send me some feedback on this.

"The only possible cause of confusion is chronic stupidity." Alright JB0, so are you calling me stupid now? I mean, Im not trying to start crap with anybody on this board but I will start flamin anybody that disrespects me or cyber bullies me. JB0 thats' f***ed up disrespectin me by callin me stupid. I never insulted your intelligence in any way, shape or form. Are you really really upset at me for not getting your points or do you think I'm doing this to purposely piss you off because that's not what I'm trying to do. There are some things you say that I understand and some I don't but can you at least for christ sakes, hold your composure? It's not that much of a serious issue now is it? It's like everybody's finally waited till now to release their anger out on me on my topic thread and bash away with me because I don't think the same way you guys do. It's like you guys can't stand anybody who has a different opinion than yours but did I take my frustration out on any of you guys directly for refusing to agree with me? No I didn't. I took it like a man and chose not insult any of you on the board as I respect all of you as individuals. Man, I'm out.

So JB0 you're saying that it's the other way around and just wanted know what I was talking about on this thread ? And I also take it that you are part of the majority? (No offense) I mean already know that people want me to end this thread ASAP because it's pretty much pointless and "stupid" and also childish but this topic of mine was started out of sheer honesty and I'm sure that some of you guys in this forum were honest and dead serious about some of the topic questions you started in the MW forums but I want to congratulate all of you for having the courage to start them like I did and were brave enough to take the insults putdowns and flames of other users.

JB0, For the last dang time, I'll draw my redesign of the VF-1 showig more angles so you can see more details. I admit, the Wing Kai was a poor example but for a final example that I hope makes my point clear and ends this topic of mine just take the designs of all of the U.C timeline gundams like the GP-01 or ZZ Gundam. They're close redesigns of the original RX-78 in terms of their paint scheme where their chest areas are blue and their feet are red just like the original which shows 90% resemblance to each other. Just as you say that the VF-11 is what I want as the redesigned VF-1, that would be the same as me wanting the Wing Gundam as the redesign of the RX-78. They have no close resemblance to each other in terms of details like paint schemes of the original. I feel that paint schemes are important to me because it helps somebody recgonize the resemblance to the original firsthand by looking at it. Like once again with the Wing Kai; the same paint scheme as the original made it easy for me to see the resemblance to the original I already know that the Macross universe isn't like Gundam's but this was the only feasible example to use. And also, if you say that the VF-0 is a redesign of the VF-1, can you please explain to me why exactly didn't SK openly admit that it actually was because that caused confusion among me and some others? Finally, what I've been saying earlier was leave the original VF-1 design OFFICIAL while leaving a close resemblance redesign of it for (model kit work) either SEMI-OFFICIAL or UNOFFICIAL. I'm not saying that this VF-1 redesign should replace the original one, OK? I hope that this point helps clear up any confusion I caused and I'm very close to ending this topic for good

Oh Thanx for also pointing that out to me JB0 where I didn't state that actual intention for the redesgin where I actually wanted it to be for a model kit the same way HK redesigned Wing Gundam for model kit work, but you slightly still don't see where I'm going with the redesign of the VF-1 in general. You say that the VF-11 is a feasible idea of what I wan't but I don't think that it resembles the original VF-1 closely since you insist that the VF-11 is SK's update of the VF-1. I should have specified this earilier to prevent confusion but I'm saying that I want the VF-1 redesign to retain 90% of the original one's DETAILS like I have in my picture. The outside body details (to be more exact) of the VF-11 don't clearly show the actual resemblance to the VF-1. Like once again with the W.Gundam Kai, it has the same paint scheme as the original but the design looks more contemporary for the purpose of modeling. The VF-11 is fine the way it is. I don't want it to change anyways. Take my picture once again where I have a redesign of the VF-1S, the squad leader version. where opposed the fact that the VF-11 never had a squad leader variant with 4 head lasers and a junior officer version with 2 head lasers. You see where I'm going with this?

My fault JB0 I really mean it when I said I was sorry for criticizng my drawing. I didn't mean to be sarcastic since the emoticon didn't look sarcastic to me. And thankx for now making that point that the VF-1 used the boxy leading edge was taken from the F-15. Now I see the reasoning for the boxy and pointy design for the chest plate of the VF-1. But now that SK solved his problem for the transformation layout, don't you now feel that SK should modernize it? (Not as my final question to end this thread discussion. I'm not ready to end it just yet)

I know white drew carey and I agree with you. It is a waste of time but people keep giving me back feedback that could make me go on forever in this thread til i'm in my 40's. But I think that a small number of you on this thread are actually trying to say to me "Shut up Phalanx, and end this stupid thread" Am I right?

Not Necessarily Sundown, because believe it or not the F-14 was and still is my #1 favorite fighter that I liked since I was a little child. I mean since I was born in 1987 and the F-14 rolled out in 1970/1971, the designed had a "seemingly" smooth body to it's airframe. like around the main body, where opposed the VF-1's mainbody area , the leading edges above the air intakes are boxy and pointy compared to the F-14's leading edges. Just look at a picture of an F-14 and you can see the distinct features. BTW JB0 sorry for coming down on you for somewhat criticizing my design negatively where you said it resembles the VF-21. Don't get me wrong I didn't intentionally try to make look closely liKe the YF-21 despite the fact that the YF-21/VF-22 is one of my top 5 v.fighter's. Oh and pardon me for using the word "futuristic" in wrong context, where the word I was actually searching for was modern. Thats' what I meant; for SK to update the VF-1's appearance too look modern.

Thanx

OK guys I agree with your logical thinking but If you read several of my post's from a few pages back I said that some of the fighters can be made but I wasn't expecting them to have the trademark features that make them special like the FRX-00 Mave from yukikaze; I don't expect Japan to actual create an AI system for it because the technology would take 40 years or so to perfect.

Quick question Lestat, where can I find that 3D modeling program that you used?

Quick question Lestat, where can I find that 3D modeling program?

Yo polidread nice drawings but I have a personal request, can you please do a VF-2SS Valkyrie 2 girl for me? if not thats fine

But back to the question, I think Japan should make the fighter planes as long as they feel that it's within their budget to create some of them, since they have short and simple designs like the F-16; it's short size and light body made it cost less to build than advanced aircraft. A completion to my original question. But Sundown when you say that anime artists are artists not engineers to aircraft companies doesn't that mean that they still are eligble to be a aeronautical designers? Because SK knows alot about airplanes intimately since he was a child and knows all technical details about airplanes as well. I think Japanese aerospace companies should hire SK to be an aeronautical designer since he knows all of the technical aspects of aircraft. It's same thing with getting a job as a personal painter where if somebody notices your outstanding painting talent and your artworks as well, that person would want to hire you as their personal painter since you have the skills, talent and understanding of the field to get the job done.

Oh thanx Mowe, I forgot that some of the people on this forum might be asian, and I was thinking too selfish. I apologize to all of you asians iwith the utmost sincerity if you were offended by my post.

Well Neova a good reason why the neighboring Asian countries's don't wan't japan producing anime based aircraft because they would probably be jealous of the country's technological prowess and plus, they can't deal with the fact they would be very close to becoming an absolute super power like China. Besides most Asian countries still hate Japan for past WW2 atrocities.

Alright JB0, you could say that I moved the tail fins around and stretched its body but I didn't move the tailfins so wide apart for the stealthness. I didn't want it that way, so I spaced the tail fins out because I felt they were a little too close each other. And I was thinking about your point where you say that the VF-11 is a remake of the VF-1 and I agree with you in a sense but according to the VF-11's history Dave Dietrich's macross mecha designs, it states that the VF-11 is a direct descendant of the VF-1 in terms of their appearance in which they still have their F-14 like shape to them. It's best if you could imagine seeing a possible redesigned version of the VF-1 as a slightly bogged down version of a VF-11 since the two resemble each other.The VF-11's body is more smoother than the VF-'s body as it is boxy and pointy. IMHO, it doesn't look to me as if that SK considers the VF-11 to be a direct redesign of the VF-1, since it doesn't retain the same key and distinct features the original one possesed. I don't want the redesigned VF-1 to have new features it orignally didn't have in the beginning canards, an active or passive stealth system and etc. because that would require SK to redo the timeline. That's the same as me saying that I don't want all of the members of the X-men to have new mutant powers just to fit the future setting because that would suck. Remember in picture where I retain all the external distinct parts of the VF-1 like the head lights on the side of the air intakes and the head still below the fighter behind the cockpit and arms between the engine nacelles. All I'm saying is that by updating the general layout of things by smoothening them out to look contemporary, it would look as if VF-1 plausibly fits the timeline for Macross. Ghostryder, thanks for your positive assessment of drawing. I'll try to draw more angles of the fighter for better detail comparison

Thanx Phyrox for reminding me about the topic. (I can't remember my own topic, how dumb of me ) I believe that Japan should make actual aircraft taken from anime because they already have the technology, resources, and money to do so, not soley to impress anime fans but because they look as if they can be made. Sure I know that may not say much but I don't know what reason to dish out to you other than the fact that they look as if they can be made.

OK JB0 I understand that my drawing isn't that good because it shows just one angle but if I had time I would draw more pics of my VF-1 from various angles to show off the details. But I did manage to retain some of the distinct features of the original VF-1 like the side head lights as one of them. It's not like I'm saying that I want SK to redesign everything about the VF-1 like having with a swept forward wing design the head in the fuselage and the gun pods looking less tube like in the later Valk designs seen in M+ and M7. Sundown I know you think that it's best for SK to remake M+ and M7 in order to make them look as if they fit their appropriate time periods but I like those Valk designs the way they are because they already look futuristic to begin with. IMO they fit their timelines perfectly and Sundown, when you say "based' on today's designs, theres a difference. "Based" in this case means that these designs look exactly identical to the original. Unless you meant to say "inspired" since SK admits that most of his valk designs were inspired by the looks of the original aircraft in today's world. A good example to back up the term based on would be a video game based off a movie; Same original concept and content only different format. Inspired- motivated by interest of one thing resulting in someone doing their original version of something.

Well One Klump you make a good point about mechanical designers just being designers and not engineers and designing futuristic aircraft is too expensive. But you have consider the K.I.S.S concept that my aerospace engineer taught me in senior year of high school. KISS means Keep It Short and Simple, and the acronym speaks for itself. I mean that I think that some of these anime jets lwith basic airframe design look as if they could be made into actuall aircraft. Take Hikaru's orange fan-liner plane in macross looks simple enough to be made. So therefore I feel that as long as aircraft have short and simple designs they can be made into actual aircraft.

So, JB0 are you saying that its strictly decent or unacceptable to your standards? Youre right, it was rather amateurish of me try increase the angles of the VF-1 This was just a front view of the fighter and I wanted to draw a top view for it but I didn't feel like doing all that work. But now all of you have a clear idea of what I mean. Also JB0 when you say that it looks more of an SD design I felt a little offended when you said that and I wasn't trying to make it resemble the YF-21 intentionally if thats what you really wanted me to do. I was actuallY trying to smoothen and widen out certain area's of the fighter that looked to boxy and pointy. But like I said this an idea of what want you to see.

Well Syngyne, I said most not all aircraft with unusual designs are able to fly thanks to FBW controls. But when I think about it I think that a fair number of aircraft with unusual designs are able to fly. I also didn't know that the F-16 airframe was unstable for it to use FBW cause I thought G.Dynamics simply developed the F-16 and decided to use the FBW system just as part of the avionics, not to help control the plane.

JB0, I finally drew an original front view picture of what I believe the redesgined VF-1 should look like in Paintbrush. I also included a front view pic of the original VF-1 for you to compare and contrast the differences. If this doesn't prove my point then I don't know what will.

Well back to the topic at hand, Now I know that a vast majority of the planes you see in anime may look as if they can be made into actual planes and some of them may not but when you think about some of these fighters regardless of how they look seemingly impossible to fly, can. You wanna know why? Because of a thing that all us fighter plane enthusiats in this forum know as the "fly-by-wire" control system. That's the the one thing that makes most unusual aircraft designs able to fly and a perfect example of this would be the story behind the "Flying Wing" design: Back in the late 1940's N Grumman had designed the unique XB-35 Flying Wing. When it was designed N.Grumman thought that it would fly flawlessly but unfortunately it crashed and was unsuccessful. That was because the aircraft was aerodynamically unstable regardless of it's altitude. Adding vertical rudders to stabilize the plane didn't help at all and it had appear that the flying wing concept would never work. Fast forward 40 years later the B-2 Spirit emerges as the advaced stealth bomber plane in the world. This aircraft uses the flying wing design but ironically the design was originally unsuccesful among the XB-35. What made the B-2 Spirit able to fly was the radical advance in military aerospace technology which lead to the fly-by-wire system. This flight control allows computer processors to control the aircraft making the aircraft bank more responsive by automatically controlling and correcting all of the ailerons and flaps false movements. To compensate this, the XB-35 was aerodynamically unstable and would require more crew members to constantly and manually stabilize the plane but since the B-2 uses the FBW system consisting of 150 computers, it's what keeps the plane stable during flight as the FBW automatically corrects the false movements of the aileron flaps. In short it's just an electroninc control system. So there you have it, just about any unusual aircraft design is able to fly thanks to FBW. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.