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Hey treatment? Where in CA are you? (hopes the store is IN Norcal)

Bummer, dude.

I'm in Southern Cali. SD.

The marketplace is called Mitsuwa Market. I dunno the name of the store that has the EVA-Renewal box, but is inside of Mitsuwa Market.

So yesterday (9/10/03), I was checking out the local japanese market to buy pocky almonds and, as always, wandered into manga/dvd/audio store inside.

There I saw, still in it's still-sealed brown packaging-box, with pretty much an un-noticeable profile until you stop and try to read and then realized what the label on the box was stating:

Neon Genesis Evangelion Renewal boxset.

The swanky uber-kewl red-foldout Region-2-only release that I've only seen pics.

I can't believe it. It's supposed to be sold-out in Japan and not available here in the States. Yet, there it is. Still sealed.

Since there was only two customers there at that time (including me) and the other dude was busy pre-ordering some Japanese music or something, I asked the other clerk, non-chalantly, how much the brown box-package (the EVA renewal box) was.

The clerk looked it up, checked his price-table on it, and shake his head to me with some hesitation. I was expecting an answer that it's already sold or is not available for sale, but the answer was neither:

Clerk:  You don't wanna know.

me:  Yes, I do wanna know. Is it already taken?

Clerk:  No, it's still available for sale. But I'm not sure you'll like the price.

me:  Just say it, dude.

Clerk:  $425. + california-tax.

me:  oh, alrighty then.  it's too much, dude.

Clerk:  Yeah. I would've bought it for myself if the price was like 50% lower.  I haven't even seen the inside of it. I just read the label as EVA.

me: Bummer.  It's not worth it, then.

Clerk: I can't afford it.  Do you wanna buy it?

me: Nahh. I'll pass.  I'm an EVA-fan, but I ain't gonna take it in the rear for that price. Thanks, anyway.

I'm not sure if the Renewal-box package is still there today.

But I passed on it. I feel kinda weirded out about it, but I just can't afford that much on it. I'm still saving up for the 1/48 FAST-packs and other stuff.

Would any of you other EVA-fans pass on it, too, given the $425+tax price?

Macross II: Gave us the VF-2SS and not much else

and Ishtar!

Don't forget Ishtar!

Macross Plus: Gave us the YF-19 and YF-21 and not much else

And Isamu Dyson. The most bad-ass pilot since Max Jenius and Roy Focker, not to mention the best bad-ass enigmatic devil-may-care-attitude character before Spike Spiegel.

btw, Plus also introduced and gave to most of us Yoko Kanno's excellent music-compositions. All the Plus music are still golden to this day!

Macross 7: Comes on a DVD format that can be turned off and lit on fire easily

hahaha! true, true.

As for the SciFi Channel's new BG mini-series, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. There are a few plot details that have snuck out that i'm unhappy about. (Like the fact that the Cylons will be former servants of humans. Hasn't that been done enough already? Matrix & Terminator franchises, among others) The female starbuck character does not bother me (yet). We'll see in December.

I do wish that Richard Hatch (Apollo) was able to get his BG movie made. It would have been a direct sequel, 20 years after the original series ended. (Galactica '80 was to be forgotten.) He made a short, "proof of concept" film that was shown at a 'con a while back. Unfortunately, due to licensing issues, it isn't available on the web and won't see the light of day again any time soon. C'est la vie.

I'm still heavily bothered by the new Galactica having Starbuck as a woman.

Lt. Starbuck was one of my (and alot of others' I know of) early heroes when I was growing up. The way he hits on and conducts himself among the women was just _the_ irreplaceable mark of Galactica to me and to alot of other boys who grew up with it.

It was total sacriledge to have Starbuck dishonored by turning this classic sci-fi character into a woman. Why can't the writers of this new Galactica on Sci-Fi just friggin add an additional strong female-character into the story instead of desecrating the memory of Starbuck?

Just way beyond comprehension, i tell yah.

Starbuck (Baxter Poindexter, i think)

For shame! Starbuck was played by none other than the Faceman himself, Dirk Benedict.

Now for your pennence, I condemn you to watch the second season of Buck Rogers, Hawkman and all.

Edit: You edit quickly, my son. But not quickly enough.

yeah. rol!

for some odd reason, i was thinkin Starbuck's/Face's name was Baxter instead of Dirk B. hahaha!

I feel so old now. hahaha!

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iirc, i stopped watching Galactica the moment the kid became the supreme commander or something. that was the lamest move back then.

at least, Starbuck was extremely funny and the sexual innuendo was so rampant in the early episodes or something.

damn i feel old. rol!

Not old enough to remember the show correctly. You may be confusing some scenes from Galactica 1980 in with the original show.

never saw Galactica 1980.

edit:

ahhh, now i see. The boy-genius stuff was the Galactica-1980. Yup. I stopped watching Galactica then and there. Galactica without Starbuck (Dirk Benedict, i think) was just not the Galactica I used to watch.

edit2: dirk benedict! geezus. I can barely remember the real name of Face! hahaha!

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iirc, i stopped watching Galactica the moment the kid became the supreme commander or something. that was the lamest move back then.

at least, Starbuck was extremely funny and the sexual innuendo was so rampant in the early episodes or something.

damn i feel old. rol!

FYI.

As reported in http://animenewsnetwork.com/columns/tankobon.php?id=3 , the manga for the fan-favorite Azumanga Daioh is scheduled to be out this month. ADVFilms is releasing it and some folks from AnimeonDVD-forum already had their copies. Bastards. The stores I called in over here at SD doesn't have inventory-stock on it, yet.

I'm not a manga-fan, but this is one particular manga that I will so definitely get.

The Azu anime R1-dvd is scheduled for next year release, btw.

saw this from another forum i hang out in.

http://www.dvdplanet.com/product_listing.a...SMailer20030908

looks very gnarly. gonna be released around 10/21/03.

and it's the classic Battlestar Galactica. Not the upcoming new mangled one from Sci-Fi channel where Starbuck is a friggin girl.

add: they say the red-light works, too!

damn!

that sailor-venus girl in that pictorial is yummy.

official announcement at http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4144

Region-1 Nadesico Movie!!!!

woo hoooo!!!!

ANN's encyclopedia-entry with the region-1 cover: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycloped...ses.php?id=2177

Hello all,

Now that I'm pretty much done with watching Macross (own and watched TV, DYRL, Mac+ and decided to wait on M0 and M7), I'm looking at new anime series to go buy and watch.  The following are the series/DVD sets  I'm mulling over right now:

Neo Genesis Evangelion Perfect Edition DVD Box Set

Mobile Suit Gundam Wing Complete Operations DVD Box Set

Martian Successor Nadesico Complete Chronicles DVD Box Set

Star Blazers: Quest for Iscandar 6-Disc DVD Box Set

Gatchaman DVD Set

Genesis Climber Mospeada DVD set

There's only two there in your list that's really worth getting in region-1 dvd:

[*] EVA

[*] Nadesico

I'll add in a couple more:

[*] Dai-Guard

[*] FLCL

[*] Irresponsible Captain Tylor TV

I suggest the way/sequence to watch 'em is:

Tylor -> Nadesico

EVA -> Dai-Guard

FLCL

I'd really like to know more about Nadesico, Gatchaman, Evangelion, and Star Blazers specifically.  Links to sites about each show would be nice.  Opinions on any of the above and suggestions of a show I haven't listed are welcome.

Nadesico is a parody of Gundam-0079, SDF-Macross, and Star Blazers/Yamato.

Dai-Guard is a parody of EVA and most other 70's robot-anime.

Tylor is more or less a parody of Star Blazers.

Even tho the above titles are parodies in their most basic premises, they do stand on their own and are quite excellent separate anime by themselves.

EVA is EVA. FLCL is FLCL. Both are Gainax at it's finest. Nuff said.

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The english-dubs gets better in the later discs and this is one show that ADV was totally successful in being converting to American-centric humor and situations.

I don't know if I can agree with that, especially on the scene in episode 8 where Ibuki freaks out because she didn't get any sleep and Akagi was pissing her off. Also, as mentioned earlier, ADV screwed up on some of the punch lines. For example, in episode 4, Akagi and Ibuki are having a conversation. During the conversation, Ibuki hands Akagi a canned beverage. Then, all of a sudden...

(Japanese version)

--

Akagi: "Ibuki!"

Ibuki: "What is it?"

(Akagi looks at the beverage.)

Akagi: "Is this a new product?"

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Here's ADV's version:

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Akagi: "Ibuki!"

Ibuki: "What is it?"

(Akagi looks at the beverage.)

Akagi: "Did you get this from insurance?"

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I just finished watching disc 2 and I have to say it gets more hilarious. In episode 9, Dai-Guard has to defeat a balloon-type Heterodyne. And because it falls numerous times while attempting to catch the Heterodyne and is incapable of climbing mountains, Dai-Guard is disassembled and re-assembled at least four times throughout the episode.

ADV changed and "tweaked" the English-vocals script quite a bit to make it more American-centric humor, instead of Japanese-centric humor. So you wll find the punch-lines from the various jokes in the Japanese-vocals/Japanese-translation script to be missing here and there. It's kinda like the way the english-vocals on Golden Boy (another ADV title) were more hilarious and better to listen to, and had alot more punchlines than the english-subtitles/japanese-translations.

It's something they usually do to the english-vocals in some of their titles. Sometimes it's just good and great (dai-guard, golden-boy, excel, Nukunuku), and sometimes it's a bit crappy in others (Samurai X, FMP, EVA).

I watched the whole (disc 1-6) series in japanese and english dubs. Both have their separate charms, especially in the comedy. I normally watch anime in japanese-vocals, but Dai-Guard is one of those few I prefer to listen to the english-vocals.

your mileage may vary, however.

from the latest http://www.Animenewsnetwork.com news-blurb.

http://sailormoon.channel.or.jp/jisha/cast_01.html

just an fyi to the sailormoon-fanboys here at mw.

there are more 1:1 models from this site:

https://secure.pmoon.co.jp/TOUSHINDAI/Chara/Chara.html

oh yeah. it has Chii and the EVA girls, among others.

get and use CDEX.

it's free and easy and it's really good.

http://www.cdex.n3.net/

saw this Ruri-auction blip from Animeondvd.com forum:.

http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f6068393

is this guy a reliable shipper and all?

Have no idea, dude, since I buy from him locally. Anecdotally, tho, the one time I ordered for an out-of-state friend's bday-gift, there weren't any problems reported by my friend at all when the items were delivered. That's the only time I ordered from RSC's online-store, tho.

fwiw, I think he uses UPS and USPS for shipping.

Oh, and he seems to only ship within the US territories at this time. So Canadian and other non-US region buyers are out of luck this time.

Bummer.

Ok. First off, I'm not affiliated in anyway other than I'm a regular buyer from this store for my gundam-kits.

It's the local anime-shop here in San Diego and he's having a clearance-sale right now. I didn't know until yesterday, but I guess the sale started during the last weekend and is still going on.

Note that he used to carry Macross (yamato) items and I'd bought my first VF-1J from him, until HG came to his store with some cops or something a couple of years ago or so and made him give up on Macross.

Anyway, if you're into Gundam model-kits, check out his clearance-sale at:

http://www.rsc-online.com/clearancesale.html

This is just a good deal to not inform some of you about it.

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Look at the link you sent me. Was Taylor a BW creation? No? Then Taylor can't be used in this argument. From the beginning, I was talking about BW created franchises, in this case Macross. They created Macross, thats their one hit wonder... thats what they have been milking since.

I feel like I'm discussing this with two Abombz instead of one since you can't seem to remember what you wrote.

This is what you said from top of page-3:

I understand where you are coming from, but BW is a one hit wonder, they made Macross and nothing else.

I replied with a link. The link says BigWest was involved in production of both Tylor and Macross-TV. Unless you're reading something else on that link I gave you, that link basically debunked your original claim that Macross was the only hit of Big West and that Big West is one-hit wonder. You don't even know the sequels for Tylor. Basically, you shoot your mouth (or fingers) before you checked on what exactly BigWest actually has in it's portfolio of titles.

The ANN-encyclopedia is a wealth of info on anime and stuff and I suggest you use it for reference.

Btw, last time I check, Macross was the creation of Studio Nue.

I don't worship anyone. I didn't say Tomino was the guy behind SDF Macross, and you are making yourself look dumb for saying that. All I said Tomino was the guy who designed the MSs in Gundam... which you pointed out was inspiration for Kawamori. Inspiration only.... I didn't say anything beyond that.

No, you just said that without Tomino, there would be no Macross. That is what you said.

Close to 20 years ago. First issue on 1987.

If you could care less... then you are being ignorant about a fact and shouldn't be talking about this to begin with.

I thought it was like 1985, but yes, I could care less about the novel since I'm an anime and toy fan, and not a manga-fan or a novel-fan. That really doesn't change the fact that the Sentinels are the best-looking Gundam to get to purchase right now. Regardless if the buyer is even aware of an actual Sentinels-novel. And I personally buy aesthetically-pleasing toys and models and I never ever relied on any novels for those purchasing decisions.

Yeah... but none of that would have happened if BW actually cared about what the heck HG was doing with their property.

Huh? Do you really think BW does not care what the heck HG was doing with their property? Do you really think that there was no reason at all why they gave the DYRL-license to whoever and the MacII-license and the Plus-license to Manga Video, instead of giving them all to HG?

And I thought you were joking about Hikaru being angsty. Sheesh!

Want to know why it was popular? Its a 12 episode long OVA that took 1 year to be broadcast, being re-run over and over untill its last episode was finally broadcast..

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because MS-8th Team was really that good and the viewers actually like it alot both here and in Japan? I'm sure that thought prolly might have crossed your mind somewhere.

Gundam X ratings didn't go down... it was outright cancelled because ppl felt it was boring and the characters looked too much like Wing.

How the fugazi the companies know if people gets bored with a series they're broadcasting again to cancel a show? Do they use a ouija-board or a crystal-ball to make that determination? Geezus, Abombz! lol!

Models still help the interest on Gundam

No, duhh. I'm a Gundam-fan primarily because of the mecha-models. Tomino's storytelling always takes a backseat.

It was a choice I made, if you didn't want to be vocal about Mac 7... then thats your issue.

It's called polite discussion, Abombz.

I really could care less about your dislike of Zero and mostly ignores it when I come across it in the old boards, but when you go on and on and on about how crappy and shitty Zero is without really having a firm foundation about it and all of us here knowing there's only two episodes shown as of yet, it gets a little tiring. To say the least.

Even tho I dislike M7, I'm ok with people liking or disliking M7. Heck! I even posted screenshots of what I don't like about M7.

I just don't go around disparaging M7 every chance I get like you seem to do whenever Zero gets mentioned.

Just take that as a constructive criticism of your vocal Zero-unhappiness.

Thats not what I meant. I meant that Macross Zero will be popular after all its DVDs are available... not that they should release everything at the same time.

You're probably correct.

Right now, I'm just one of those that likes it already, even with only two episodes shown. I just need/want the toys to go along with it.

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You are still the foolish one for going there again. If Taylor is soooo popular why hasn't BW pursued it? BW was the animation team not the creators.... or are you going to tell me BW also created Getta Robo? My first post was about BW created series, that accounts for Macross and Apocalypse Zero. You are the foolish one for not understanding that, no?.

Uhmm, how do you mean BW hasn't pursued Tylor?

If you were to do even the slightest research... which you haven't done apparently... you would find out that as Tomino writes the story, he also makes sketches of what the MSs should look like. He did that in MSG and V Gundam and a few others (except for Turn A Gundam I thinkg). Or do you think he just tells the designer what he wants and they magically come up with the right deisgn?

What has that got to do with the price of tea in China again?

Are you really saying the Macross stories (TV, DYRL, PLUS, ZERO, and M7) are all Tomino's ideas?

Are you actually saying that Kawamori's designs in Macross were not originals at all and that the VF-1S/VF-1A, VF-0, YF-19, YF-21, etc, etc, are all copycats of Tomino's original sketches?

I think your Tomino worship is just getting the better of you, Abombz.

The Sentinel models were not officially released in the US, they are imported. The Sentinel novel is huge! it would take alot of money to translate it all, plus it for hardcore model fans.

I could care less about how huge the novel is.

Last time I check, it's only within the last two years that 1/100 HG and MG Sentinel models have appeared on US soil and still is limited. And the novel was made like when again?

As for Macross no being huge on the US.... blame BW and their entanglement with HG and TP in the early 80s.

Afaik, Bandai had the Taka-license and they sat on it for a long time. And HG didnt start actively blocking Macross toys until the Toycom/Yamato-incident three years ago or so. We all know that, right?

Then you agree to my point that models held up the popularity of Gundam after Wing? Good one thing out of the way.

Nope. I believe the UC MS-8th anime was quite popular after Wing and the rx-79g was the hottest kit after Wing. Fwiw, Afterwar-X was popular in the early goings in anime, too, before it's ratings went down. Just that their X's HG model-lines sucked. Also note that Bandai shut down AnimeVillage here in the US and directly marketed Gundam DVDs and merchandises (Wing, Stardust, 0080, 8th MS team) here in the US to maintain and sustain their Gundam franchise.

This is a Macross forum and complaining about something in Macross is on topic here. if you were to go to a Gundam fansite and compain about MSG and Wing, no one would complain about it. Now, if you chose not to voice your opinion on a subject.... thats entirely your choice. I made my choice in voicing my distaste for Macross Zero.

Well, let me put it this way to you, then:

I dislike Macross-7, yet I'm not anywhere as vocal about my dislike of it as much as you are vocal about your dislike of Macross-Zero.

Is the story messed up? Maybe. Am I messed up for not liking it? Also entirely possible, I have been known for liking bad things and disliking good things.

As do I. I like all of EVA (except the dubs), but I know alot of people don't share that same EVA-liking that I do.

In my opinion... Macross Zero will attract attention once all DVDs are released. Like you said only 2 episodes have been out..... I bet many anime fans don't have the patience to wait 4 to 5 months between each release. Untill then.... my minority will not be as small as some think.

I beg to differ.

It shouldn't take all of the dvd's to be released for Macross-Zero to get it's attention. I rather have Studio Nue take their time refining the anime than rush Zero.

I rather say that Macross-Zero needs to have it's mechas (toys/models) to be out on sale and on display and heavily advertised right now by Yamato or whoever has the toy-license for Zero's popularity in Japan to go up higher. I'm not sure if even Hasegawa has put out any other Zero models other than the Tomcat and the Mig-29 to seed demand for Zero.

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No, you are the foolish one. I'm talking about BW, and series produced by BW. Taylor might have been produced by BW, but whatever series that came before or after it wasn't produced by BW.

Errr, you claimed BW never had a popular series other than Macross, but you were unaware of the popularity of Tylor. I guess I'm the foolish one, no?

Yeah.... because Tomino created Gundam. The mech in Gundam were created by Tomino and cleaned up by Okawara.

And Hikaru is very angst ridden by the way, on the level of Amuro

omg, lol!

I tell you what, at least Hikaru chases and wants to sleep with Minmay. I don't think Hikaru's as hopelessly platonic as Amuro.

I can see tons of research went into this particular part of your post. If you don't know... the Mobile Suit Gundam Sentinel: Confessions of Alice has been around for about a decade before Bandai started milking it. Without the book... there would be no models. Your point on Sentinel is again redundant.

So I guess those models were just a figment of my imagination, right?

The market is saturated with a bunch of AC and UC gundam-models the last 10 years or so, so it's only logical for Bandai to release the Sentinel kits at this day and age with better manufacturing stuff than back in, say, 1984. They really look awesome on the display-shelves of the anime and model stores where they display Sentinels here in the States. And they're distinctly different enough from the old-guard and aging RX-78s/RX-79 lines and the Wing line.

Heck! I haven't even seen any Sentinel novel here in the States, yet, but I've seen Sentinel toys quite up close and they are selling quite well. I'm quite glad, actually, that I'm not aware of the Sentinel-novels because I'm not a novel-fan, anyway. I can't read japanese and I don't want to read novels. I rather watch anime and/or build Gundam models/toys without regards to any novels. I guess I just like the aesthetics of the models and toys to look at than just reading a novel.

More to the point, tho, is that a bunch of regular people around here in the States don't know anything about the Sentinels-novel like me, but are aware and are buyers of the Sentinels-model kits. That just adds up to the popularity of the Gundam-franchise much to a Macross-fan dismay that the Macross-franchise ain't as popular in comparison.

You didn't read my post. I clearly said Since Wing. I never dismissed the popularity of the Wing model kits, read my post again. If you note... I generalized on model kits.

Well, who in their right mind would want to buy ugly kits like X and Turn-A, anyway to begin with? I mean, the Sentinels-models are more popular than the Seed-models and both are quite attractive kits, but the Sentinels-models are just hands-down no-contest better-looking than any Gundam-line. I don't think those 14-year-old kids I see getting their parents to buy them EX-S kit have read the Sentinels-novel or know more about Gundam than Wing.

I never said the story is messed up.... I said I disliked it, 2 different words, 2 different meanings.

Ahh, but you 're quite so vocal about your dislike of Zero. I can only gather that maybe you dislike the Zero-story because it was that messed up in your opinion. I mean, I dislike both MSG and Wing stories, but I am not so vocal about it like your dislike of Zero.

Yep... but the minority I'm part of is not as small as you might think.... and the japanese Macross Zero sales back that up.

Oh, well.

Maybe when Yamato finally release the Zero-line, it might just help propel the sales of Zero to higher levels. I mean, if the HG-embargo gets lifted, then maybe there will be a resurgence of Macross popularity both in here and in Japan itself. The Gundam-franchise doesn't have the problem of the Macross-franchise. In fact, it can be inferred (more people have stated so) that Bandai was the one that stifled the Macross-franchise for not releasing enough models, Takatoku and Banpresto lines when they had the exclusive merchandize-license. I guess most of us knows that only when Hasegawa made a successful run on classic Macross fighter-models did Bandai took notice and tried to milk their Macross-lines with the re-issues and 15th anniversary lines. Then Yamato basically destroyed Bandai's chunky-monkey lines with the 1/60's. I guess Yamato just needs more advertisement-space and more room to sell their lines in areas like the US just like what Bandai is doing with it's Gundam-franchise. Still, the key to this is the lifting of the HG-embargo.

But that's a whole different can of worms to try to open, i should say.

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Whats your point? I don't see sequels to it do I? Is it great? Probably.... then why isn't it out there right now? Why isn't BW milking it? Simply because Macross is there main and only Horse.

Tylor side-stories was the sequel to Irresponsilbe Tylor.

The point was that i guess you haven't seen nor know enough of Tylor to make a statement like:

I love when ppl provide the link but don't even bother to read whats in it. Tell exactly which one of those shows matched the success of Macross.

Just makes you foolish for doing so, no?

Errr, I believe Kawamori was inspired by the mecha in Gundam, and not by Tomino's weird story about spacenoid-newtypes.

Kawamori was inspired by Gundam in general... not just the Mechs, specially since he is able to do them much better.

You're moving the goal-post here, Abombz. You said if it wasn't for Tomino, there would be no Macross. There's nothing Tomino in Macross besides mecha-inspiration. I mean, I haven't seen any spacenoid-newtypes and angst-ridden 15-year-old super-pilots in Macross.

*shrug* All I see now is the godly Sentinels Gundam models. I don't see any Sentinel-novels over here right now. Why the heck would I want to read a mecha-novel, anyway? The reason why I got into Gundams is, well, I wanna see the Gundams. Models and animated.

You likes or dislikes don't change the fact that the best Gundam is a novel, and a model book. If you are going to use something to prove a point... at least do it correctly. Without the novel, there would be no models. And there is no model kit called Sentinel BTW.

Actually, the best Gundam was Zeta, CCA and, imho, 8th MS-Team. All animated Gundams. Not novels.

Oh, yeah, btw. I don't think these are just a plain model-books:

http://dougram.battletechnology.org/Gundam...delsAndToys.htm

Maybe it's not availalbe in your area, yet. I've seen quite a few at the last Comic-Con and some local anime/models shops here in Southern California at the very least.

So why is Seed so popular right now? The story is a known hack. Could it be that the Gundams in Seed are just damn good-looking in animation?

Yeah... and whats your point? That doesn't change the fact that model kits have been carrying the franchise since Wing, as X and Turn A failed to be popular.

One of the most popular model-kits before were the Wing-models HG and PG. How quickly you forget?

Huh?! Whatever, Abombs.

It's really just your shallow personal opinion of the characters and mechas in Zero and you're really just in the minority regarding Zero.

First.... before you start posting a reply be sure to read my name correctly.... the z is not just an accessory.

Ok. Here's your "z" before I forget again.

And why is it shallow? Because I dislike the character design?

Yup. The character designs on Zero is quite ok for this generation. Unless of course, you have a thing against animated females with prominent boobies.

Because I dislike the story as a whole?

There's only been two episodes released from Zero so you can't make any claims that the story is already messed up. Maybe you should reserve your judgement until all the episodes were shown, no?

Or is it becuase the characters don't appeal to me? So if I give a reason for not liking something.... its makes my opinion shallow? LOL

Actually, yeah. You've been quite loud about your dislike about Zero from the old boards. I thought it was just your passing fancy, but I guess you're so stuck with it right now.

As for being a minority.... the Macross fandom is a minority... so I feel quite at home being one too.

So I guess you're a minority within a minority, then?

sweet! I can't wait for this dvd to become R1.

I've always like the non-mecha/non-serious side of FMP-1 and it's a good thing they took it away from this FMP-2.

You know, is it just me or does anyone else think Kaname's too much of Yurika(nadesico)reborn in design?

;P ;P ;P

there's two of those crazy shows?? that's even worse! (personally, i like gundam a lot, but watchin the previews on CN kinda make me not want to watch it, the SD version, i mean)

The original SD Gundam is a master piece of comedy. It features all the original voice actors and MSs.

This SD Gundam is a hack made for the American audience. <_<

and that's a problem because...?

I do wish the original SD-Gundam gets released here. Comedic-value and all.

Its not a problem at all..... beyong the fact that this new show is dumb at best.

But then again... I'm just 1 person, and thats just my opinion. <_<

err, so you just have a problem with it, then?

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You never know. If the Superior Defender will make enough sales here, it might just justify the US release of the original SD-Gundams. Just like the upcoming Zeta-release next year or so.

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