TehPW

One of you said that the VF-0 is K-man's attempt at hitting the reset button on the VF-1...

This a opinion i agree with, to be sure but what if there is more to this.

/me takes a deep breath

DISHARMONY MOLD!

/me sighs

What IF (assumimg the legal issues of owership of Macross & DYRL are finally resolved in Japan) the VF-0 would be the template for a remake of the VF-1, a NON-touchable by HG version for use to a remake of the orginal series?

something they could sell to the US, or anyplace HG can't cause trouble/prevent showing etc...?

/me ducks from the TNT he thinks is light...

Does anyone know the number designation? Are they the 1st Fighter Sqadron "The SKull" or something else?

His question should read, "When the VF-1 flying Skull Squadron stood up, were they a newly established unit, or a transistioned from a previously existing unit, such as any AF figher Squadron or VFA-103 or a Japanesse/UN unit?

probably something they never considered since other than the colors, no proper nods of comment were ever performed by the makers of Macross to VF-84 (the F-14 unit flying the skull & bones in 1981 at the peak of line art being made for Macross) so it was never ackwoledged the offical cannon history of Skull Squadron or any other cannon VF-1 Valkyrie unit...

I recall seeing a picture from the original series in dark colors that included the SDF-1 in Cruiser Mode with several VF-1's & Ghosts in tandem. I don't remember if the fighter had the SAP gear or not but the impression i got from it was that it was early production art. the fat that we saw both VF-1's & Ghosts in volume implied that maybe the Ghosts would have been more used (in the relationship that the Zentraudi Bits compliment the VF-2SS fighters from the begining of macross II)

I believe the pic is somewhere on this site...

Wow. i seriously needed to beat off after watching the episode on Youtube (loved that comment about Jetlag & Foldsickness). Yeap, poor VF-171's didn't stand much of a chance, the bugs knowing exactly how to kill the pilots.

Got a question about that first cockpit kill: Does that bug gain control of the Pilot-killed fighter to attack his wingmates? it's hard to tell if the segment after the first kill shows the same plane launching missles or was it another bug doing the same attack method on another of the fighters in formation.

another Q: Do these fighters have PPB? would it have been effective at such close range?

The VF-25 pilot killed was surprising (and the whole scene reminded me of three things, the end of Macross Eps 2, which we all know, but also Episode 2 from Macross Zero, the downed VF-0A as well as.... bubble Gum Crisis and the hardsuits) and well crafted. The bugs take no prisonners and not discriminate on civies, either. odd how it reacts to the girl, though, it sees her and moves to approach (To kill her, inspect her?) before the Blue Girl-Boy does a Hikaru on the bug... well kinda, anyway...

They use tanks. why cant they use PPB on thier tanks?

what ever. Ive not been excited about a anime in quite some time.... GG

Surprised that nobody has commented on the "J" head side view shown in the MBS banner (see pic below).

I really like the look of the head from the side.

Graham

Me sees guns on the cheeks on our 25J's head camera. Is me seeing things, Sir?

Wow... for a bunch of Macrossoid Otaku, you guys seriously lack of something for ST topics...

Read that as: I thought we was talking about Snore Trek?

anyway, DiTL, Ex Astris Scientia and a few others are very good sites to smuggle ST cannon and speculative info. Certainly EAS with all the various indepth reviews of battles (especially Wolf 359) discussed over the years. Sci Fi Flare is also a good forum for ST topics over the years...

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi

No go play nice on the Freeway!

HUmm........... me like twins

/me Drives the Topic Bus back into oncoming traffic...

I want to know (The Game!tm)

1) Does the current VF's of SDFM:F's ear have PPB? have internal Fold capabilty?

2) Is there a fortress style Macross ship in the fleet?

3) what are the odds of this Macross IP having legal issues as far as overseas marketing? any potentional wranglings related to previous legal crap?

/me blinks

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Maguire-Pil...otech-6290.html

with 15 pages of comments, i'm sure someone put a link up for this already but...

"For those who don’t already know, Robotech is another one of those giant robot franchises lurking out there waiting to pick up Transformers’ scraps. Except unlike Transformers, the giant robots in Robotech are more like fighting vehicles, piloted by humans in a distant future where man must use giant robots to fight off an alien invasion. It’s kind of like the poor man’s Mechwarrior.

Like Transformers, Robotech was a cartoon in 80s. It originated in Japan, but was re-edited and re-aired in the United States. Unlike Transformers, it was never very successful. The show was watched only by a few hardcore geeks, and the subsequent role playing games, comics, toys and ancillary Robotech products it generated were loved only by a few niche fans. It just doesn’t have the built in American audience that Optimus Prime, or even other giant robot franchises like Voltron have."

now, questions? Sounds like he's bashing Robowrech (if so, i'll hand him a bigger hammer) if he think's it's just another GRF... do that mean he thinks CBT is better than Robowreck?

Thank you sir Spacy

max has all daughters because if he had a son, the son would have to eventually challenge and defeat the father, and we can't have that.

]Well, my Millia had 4 girls and 3 boys (but not completely pink, however...)

and she is a little smaller than a giant

Shhh!

likely they didn't consider the dangers such a mounted weapon would have to the A/C (cue the one pic with the smokin' bong ! )

though i've not seen close pics (and it's been years since i've seen a Viking upclose), i don't even think it's possible for anything to be mounted between the engine nassel and the fusilage, can it?

I like the VF-2SS in battloid mode it looks pretty slick.  But it falls apart in any other mode.  Im not too fond of it in fighter mode at all.

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i liked the design myself, even though it's clearly designed around fanboydom and not tried and true areonatical needs. it's not even capable of hand-to-hand combat inside a Zentran ship (Yeah, say otherwise but Battroid in a typical corridor is impossible with the SAP's Main Beam Cannon over head, since no decernable means of folding the stock was present)

the shear volume of missles is nice but.... unrealistic, sadly. The Beam Rifle is nice, though no official not of how much ammo it has per E-clip, other than the 10k number concieved from the RPG...

and the chest fenders on each side of the front in battroid mode.... sorta presents two large visual blind spots for the head camera and AMS guns....

Fanboy joys. Just as well M2 is considered non cannon in most circles...

YES!!  So glad Graham has made up with Yamato... not gonna ask who you had to blow, but it's great news all the same.

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now my Kanji sucks but... is that VF-0 in the bottom Left corner.... a VF-0J?

Edit: Nahhh, it looks like a S (but seeing a 0J would be nice (and some thing to extend more bang for Yamato's bucks)

I know it's not a VF-0, but what is it?

Looks like a F-14 with canards in gerwalk mode. Maybe fanart?

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if it's the pic that i'm thinking of, from over a year and half ago, or more, it was a fan art pic of a hybrid F-14 Gerwalk. flying across the ocean into oncoming fire, it's wing mate ejecting as the fighter is hit? a flooded city ruins in the back ground?

Yeah, awesome pic. it was the MacWorld front pic for a short time before the VF-0S/SV-51 Gerwalk pic replaced it....

any idea when they will get the keys and finally update the current front page?

Excellent work. How about seeing it in the standard grey color as well?

Graham

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holy sh*t, good sir. I am hugely impressed and amazed (that was all done in CGI???)

Hey now, as ugly as those toys are, they're still 100 times better than any Toynami MPC Veritech.

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Well now, that is the most wrong comment I've seen on these boards in a while. As a toy collector I hate to see people post such obviously warped statements without making it clear it's a joke. Here, let's do a little game of comparison:

Edit - don't mind the missiles on the MPC... i had the wings fully extended and then collapsed them back a bit for pics... my bad

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wow. nice to compare the look of each type of Toy manufactured (in terms of how the legs relate to the toy, the width of the cockpits, etc...)

i noticed in macross perfect memory a picture of the SDF-1 with the aircraft carrier arms and then on the next page clearly labeled SDF-2 the same ship that is in D.Y.R.L. so my question is: If the SDF-2 was without a doubt the ship in D.Y.R.L. then is it truly in the same timeline as Macross tv series or was there some meaning to this?

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No, DYRL had the SDF-1, it was just a slightly different SDF than in the TV show. They are 2 completely separate stories.... I am sure some pussy will come into this thread and tell you that DYRL is part of M7 but that is BS... 10 years after DYRL came out they pimped its name in Macross7 as a pathetic attempt to breathe some life into the lamest show ever.

In the SDFMacross timeline, the SDF was a Supervisional Army ship that crashed on Earth, in DYRL the SDF was a Meltohlauedy ship. Here is a picture pre-crash.

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You sure thread starter doesn't mean SDF-2 Megalord (later Megaroad-01)?

Cuz Perfect Memory has an image of SDF-2 Megalord in there. It doesn't have the DYRL? SDF-1.

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thread starter here,

As is evidenced by your user name...

if you have a copy of perfect memory go to the mecha section and find the sdf1 and sdf2, the sdf1 has for lack of a better term dadelous and prometheus arms and the sdf2 has the space ship thingies for its arms, just an observation i thought was interesting.

People were just pointing out that ths SDF2 was never built, not even in DYRL.

The thing is that the SDF2 concept art was ALSO a representation of the plan for the SDF1.

In continuity, the Macross was originally intended to dock with the ARMD1 and ARMD2. Britai prevented that, and when they did the bad space fold that took Daedalus and Prometheus, they retrofitted them on to boost their mecha stores and give them more launch facilities.

The Prometheus' catapults were especially useful given that it requires reaction mass to accelerate in space, which seemed to be lacking from the ship's integrated hangers. Every bit of starting velocity is that much less reaction mass expended, and thus the Prometheus became the primary place for VF launch.

(I ASSUME the ARMDs had catapults of some sort as well).

And as DYRL was attemtping to condense things greatly, they skipped most of the setup. So they went with the finalized Macross to avoid having to explain why there was an aircraft carrier hanging off a space ship. 'Cuz lets face it, the boat arms were really kinda cheezy if you didn't know why they were there.

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The Short Version

DYRL was always meant as movie of the events that occured in M:tv, though, with thoughs of revisionism on my mind, perhaps how DYRL looked was what we should look upon as the style and aesthetics of the VFs and the ships. after all, up until the DS9 episode (and the subiquent clearing of this with recent episodes of ENT), we were led to believe that klingons always looked like TMP klingons, simply the 60's era SFx prevented it at the time...

though i didn't know that in DYRL that the Macross was a derelict Meltran ship and not a Supervision Army Gunboat.

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...e=post&id=25406

uh one critique sir...

the Box Missle Pods, the aft end. i suppose they are supposed to be sealed in the back but a little more detail could be worked into them. i'm refering to the five circles specifically...

other than that, i drool, sir.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment....chmentid=530406

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment....chmentid=530407

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment....chmentid=530408

i just want to know who made THESE... and what scale are they?

You know what?  I say we release DYRL? to the states.  Yes, for profit.  Seriously, nobody knows who exactly owns the rights, right?  So who can prove that we don't?  If someone could, though, then they would be motivated to actually giving it a solid release.

I think that's the problem, actually.

No one can prove ANYONE doesn't own the rights. So we have... was it 4? diffrent companies all sitting on their "rights" to the show waiting for someone else to move so they can leap like a pack of rabid starving jackals and rip them to shreds. Eventually, only one company will be left, and THEY can get a DVD on the shelves.

If someone decides to sue, you say?  Well, that's what a fall-guy is there for, silly!    I nominate MGREXX for the role.  His [hand jester " ]Master's Degree[/hand jester " ] should help him get thru it.

I suddenly like this plan a LOT.

I think you meant gesture, not jester. But jester fits better anyway.

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perhaps there is a way around this. REDO DYRL. new cells, CG up the wazzo! and licenced all legit. after all, if no one claims the copy write of the original, who is to say they can claim a remake?

i know there's a fault in this but... someone point it out... or wokr this idea into something better?

Question: in the TV series Episode 'Viva Millia', during the trip to the Regult Factory (Robowrech Factor for the confused and blind), the fleet comes across a destroyed ship, one the Zentradi seem unwhilling to explore, call it a booby trap in the English HG version of macross.

now, i have a copy of Macross Pefect Memory and on Page 181 of that book, they have a brief verbage in japanesse about this ship. What is the text of that section, for those with access to the book and ability to translate?

what exactly was that ship supposed to be orginally? based on how little we know of the illustrations.... that was supposed to be a Inspection Army Gunboat, simular to the SDF-1...

Yeah, the possiblity exists, the question was already asked but... 69 pages? nah, ill repost the question, due to lavck of interst in gauging eyes out in strain...

Well I've never liked that VF-103 uses the name, to me the "real" Jolly Rogers are VF-84.  But they of course aren't the originals either!  I do tend to dislike moving names around---why get rid of VF-84, and then 1 day later re-name and repaint VF-103?  Why not just get rid of VF-103?  Half the reason they picked VF-103 was because nobody knew "The Sluggers" and they wouldn't be missed.  (Also, they had F-14B's, but it still would have been easier to just give the F-14B's to VF-84, rather than rename and repaint every Jolly Rogers thing in the entire Navy, and fill out 250,000 "change of squadron" forms) 

So the same thing probably happens in the Macross universe---squadrons come and go, and get renamed.

I second that.

likely because at the time, VFA-84 existed as well (i suspect the idea of the Navy going all Hornets was alive even back then)

TNG had an episode where the Enterprise was a military vessel and the Federation was at war with the Klingons because the Enterprise C was sucked away into an alternate timeline and wasn't destroyed to protect Klingon vessels in a doomed fight.

but that story, "Yesterday's Enterprise", was just classic, 'The path not taken' scenerio, not a true MU deal.

here's a few pics that the folks from Flare are talking about...

yeah, it pretty much was fanboy conny action. still vague though on questions like where are the phaser bank mounts located? (but now it's cannon that the conny had aft mounts, appearantly above the aft hanger bay...)

i guess i should be more specific. /me real thread *snorts*

anyway, my querry is what are the comparasons between M:DYRL and BSG, situational wise between the Macross Island citizens and the Colony Suvivers?

is that a little more clear?

*sighs* probably should have posted on Flare... *snorts, amused*

here's something that been banging in my head for a few weeks...

what was simular between Macross's (preferabley the DYRL timeline) situation with it's population of South Atara island post fold and BSG (current era version) and it's rag-tag fleet? was Macross City too cheery honestly compared to the harsh drama on the Galatica and her fleet?

/me Game on!