TehPW

Question: in the TV series Episode 'Viva Millia', during the trip to the Regult Factory (Robowrech Factor for the confused and blind), the fleet comes across a destroyed ship, one the Zentradi seem unwhilling to explore, call it a booby trap in the English HG version of macross.

now, i have a copy of Macross Pefect Memory and on Page 181 of that book, they have a brief verbage in japanesse about this ship. What is the text of that section, for those with access to the book and ability to translate?

what exactly was that ship supposed to be orginally? based on how little we know of the illustrations.... that was supposed to be a Inspection Army Gunboat, simular to the SDF-1...

Yeah, the possiblity exists, the question was already asked but... 69 pages? nah, ill repost the question, due to lavck of interst in gauging eyes out in strain...

Well I've never liked that VF-103 uses the name, to me the "real" Jolly Rogers are VF-84.  But they of course aren't the originals either!  I do tend to dislike moving names around---why get rid of VF-84, and then 1 day later re-name and repaint VF-103?  Why not just get rid of VF-103?  Half the reason they picked VF-103 was because nobody knew "The Sluggers" and they wouldn't be missed.  (Also, they had F-14B's, but it still would have been easier to just give the F-14B's to VF-84, rather than rename and repaint every Jolly Rogers thing in the entire Navy, and fill out 250,000 "change of squadron" forms) 

So the same thing probably happens in the Macross universe---squadrons come and go, and get renamed.

I second that.

likely because at the time, VFA-84 existed as well (i suspect the idea of the Navy going all Hornets was alive even back then)

TNG had an episode where the Enterprise was a military vessel and the Federation was at war with the Klingons because the Enterprise C was sucked away into an alternate timeline and wasn't destroyed to protect Klingon vessels in a doomed fight.

but that story, "Yesterday's Enterprise", was just classic, 'The path not taken' scenerio, not a true MU deal.

here's a few pics that the folks from Flare are talking about...

yeah, it pretty much was fanboy conny action. still vague though on questions like where are the phaser bank mounts located? (but now it's cannon that the conny had aft mounts, appearantly above the aft hanger bay...)

i guess i should be more specific. /me real thread *snorts*

anyway, my querry is what are the comparasons between M:DYRL and BSG, situational wise between the Macross Island citizens and the Colony Suvivers?

is that a little more clear?

*sighs* probably should have posted on Flare... *snorts, amused*

here's something that been banging in my head for a few weeks...

what was simular between Macross's (preferabley the DYRL timeline) situation with it's population of South Atara island post fold and BSG (current era version) and it's rag-tag fleet? was Macross City too cheery honestly compared to the harsh drama on the Galatica and her fleet?

/me Game on!

I have a bigger problem with the mecha in MacO looking too advanced than I do with the VFs in MacII not looking advanced enough.

I completely agree.

Revisionistic, yes, Macross Zero's Valkyries are like that since alot of the inspiration of the designs come from Macross Plus and current aircraft in production, most notably the F-22 or simular designs.

i guess it's comparative to Star Trek: Enterprise and speculation of what 23rd century ships (TOS) would look like, using ST:E's NX-01 as a template. would the VF-1 look more like the VF-0, owing a more logical design using current philosophies?

we say that because "VT" is a robotech term only, and Robotech is less-than-smiled upon here... just so ya know

*Sneers* VT only came to light from the moron book 'authors' way back in the 80's when the book versions of the TV episodes came out. likely the confusion occured when he/they saw the first episodes, saw the little 'VT-102' on the art and Misa/Lisa's dialog. (to my knowledge, the first RPG books were still being worked on at the time). it probably never occured to them the fubar in the making...

you'd think they would have EDITED the books after all this time.

I vote that the ugly award goes to the VF-1A.

And to it's close relative, the VF-11, which is actually uglier(and suspiciously similar to Rawbooteck's YF-1R...).

don't assume that the VF-11 was ripped off from the what ever Robotech item you refer too. check your time lines. it's clear when the chicken and eggs achieved their orgasms...

Sure the "magic" part is strange and has no direct link to the original series IMO

I know what you are saying, but I think there is a link in the sense that we learn more about the Protoculture, which does link it to the original series...

Ok, woody's two cents on M0 ep 5: (it's already been discussed and 28 pages of posts, thats a roger that but what ever)

One: In the M0 Pefect collection disc 2, the bomb dropped in the end of Episode 4 was a fuel air bomb.

Two: Vector thrust used in close combat in Fighter Mode makes me drool and self~pleasure the Fanboy in me.

Three: The old kook of a Professor want to use Sara to create a 'song of creation', to end the war, presumable in the Anti-UN's favor as oppossed to simply ending hostilities.

Four: The ABH's of V-1 Division didn't put enough chains on the few pieces of Support Equipement that started skidding to the the Port deck edges of the carrier. Yeah, explain that one to the Air Boss.

Five: Simular to Episode 4 of Macross 2, where Silvie Genus's VF-2SS's head module gets destroyed by a incoming micro-missle, Shin's VF-0A's head eats a bullet from the side, thankfully. i assume there is some means of self decapatation of the damaged module to ensure transformation is still possible. it's this event that finally forces Sara over the edge to power up the birdman. later on you see the lower portion intact. the angles are kinda bad to determine the exact damage...

Six: Man's hatred and desire for violence is the song of destruction, the catalist to activate the Birdman, who destroys by Reflex beams, it's wings forming the coil usually required to use such energies. Liked the flower effect of the destroyed ships before their aft weapons magazine ignite from the shock.

Seven: too many things occur then to make understanding then. it's more.... phylisophical than actually 'It happened'. Shin becomes the 'Birdman', for what ever purpose, will likely be unknown. but japanesse are know for putting vague 'you could think of a 100 different directions' deals like that.

Overall, excellent ending.

So say, Pensive.

Madcat Mech

actually, the Catapult is what you should refer it more as it appears. There's not enough visual in that design to actually make it look more like a Timberwolf (MadCat) or (even harder to justify) a Marauder.

in fact the torso sections remind me of the Stone Rhino or a Project Phoenix: Marauder in fact.

more than a few possible court cases in that design.

They cancelled Edwards? When did that happen?

Anyway, I'll make it to Mugu....hopefully....

*sigh* i have to WORK through it this weekend, either as a traffic wench or beer tast....., uh server, yes.

*nods* The first step is usually the hardest...

on the middle of the page is a Destroid design,  identified as a 'MBR-08-MK II', a design never used in the TV series to my knowledge (but it was possibly used in the Robotech RPG by Paladium as i recall). What is it exactly?

*waves* ahem. first. post.