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What does putting me in a warzone have to do with anything? Just because there hasn't been anyone after them doesn't mean they didn't take precautions. You don't survive very long as a fugetive by being careless. Especialy if one of the groups that has you on a wanted list happens to control 5 of the seven continents. exactly what it sounded like. If you don't have a lot of the training, then you aren't likely to be able to learn on the fly. While both had some minor experience playing against commando style raids, they aren't trained to do so as a part of their regular careers. Taking precautions against assassins is one thing, trained to fight off professional commandoes who knows where you live is quite another. You can take precaution against every day robbery, but if a professional thief comes after you, you don't have a chance. Ok, now, onto another subject... I see a lot of people making excuses for why Kira lost, but so what, the end result was he lost. It's like Buster Douglas and Mike Tyson, sure, Buster Douglas is a nobody, but guess what, in the record books, it shows he won just that once against Tyson. And it was a big deal for him. Kira had a no kill policy, Shinn trained to fight Kira, Shinn had help, Shinn had multiple replacement parts available... blah blah blah... all of those are just excuses. The bottom line is Kira LOST.... Who the hell in the world wants a fair fight anyway? Does anyone ever think it's unfair that Kira has the most powerful MS around, I don't hear anyone complain about grunt pilot losing to him when he blasts them from a distance with an overpowered MS. All of it sounds like rationalization for their favorite character on why he lost. By the way, does anyone else think the story is taking a rather abrupt turn? There was no build up to attacking the AA at all, it just happened out of the blue. Kinda weird for story development.

You seem to forget these people are wanted I don't think ZAFT and the Alliance looks kindly on desertion, especialy since they jacked each side's most advanced ship at the time. I'm sure they learned a few survival tricks. survival tricks? Let me toss you into the middle of a war zone and see how well you learn survival tricks on your own. They hijacked ships, sure, but after two years of nothing happening, people all of a sudden decide to go after them? Besides, you have to remember, there was no reason for them to keep up their guard, there hasn't been anyone after them for a long time... When you come down to it, those commandos were third stringers at best. They got beat by a cripple and a girl.... Just a thought, and we know it isn't true, but what if Kira is actually DEAD. Now, that would be something... certainly enough to get the storyline interesting again. No more Kira for the rest of the series. Ah well, it would be too much to hope for.

No, I mean the ones who brought in half a dozen mobile suits from the start, and instead of just opening up with those MS in the beginning and blowing it into match wood, they all decide to run stupidly toward the house and wake up everyone in the process. We must be talking about different commandos. As for combat vets, Ramius is a naval officer, and Andy was more of a pilot. Their jobs in life wasn't close quarter combat... so, they are presumably not trained to do this type of work, but had some limited experience due to their careers. One would assume these guys going in are real special forces, who had the element of surprise (as in, no one knew five hours in advance they were going to show up). The real world equivalent here would be a navy captain, and a marine pilot (both of whom just woke up and are probably still groggy) going up against a dozen SEALs. The fact that they failed so miserably would be indicative of the fact that they probably are more like a bunch of amateurs than real commandos

All things considered, I wouldn't mind seeing Athrun getting knocked around by Shinn. The reality is, Athrun has caught the Cagalli syndrom, whiney, indesicive, the only thing he hasn't done is crying his eyes out like a little girl. It might be just me, but I don't have any sympathy left for any of the old Seed crew at all. I'm glad they were more or less getting their ass handed to them. By the way, why does Shinn deserve to die again? Is it just because he put down Freedom? That's a lousy reason, Kira thinks I must kill Shinn because that's the only guy who has ever embarassed me?

Are we talking about the same commandoes that tried to kill a couple of kids and failed miserably? Heh heh. Somehow, I'm less than impressed with ZAFT special forces, special ed, may be... but not really special forces. I do hope they have a few more druggies lined up for EA, because let's face it, the last group sucked major league. Heck, one of them got killed by a bunch of nobodies.

This just goes back to my original theory that Dullindal was right to try to put down Lacus. He obviously knew that she has been assembling her own private army and probably threatening to take over PLANT. No wonder he tried to get rid of her. For the safety of PLANT, yeah, don't let that pink haired cuteness fool ya. She is pure EVIL.

Hey the rednecks were funny.... not to mention they were supposed to be pretty good until they met up with Amuro. Although I have to say, their attack looked pretty gay to me.

Hey, at least we ain't like those pedo trekkies. You guys are all wrong, Ramius is the best looking one. Variety is the spice of life so I've heard... nothing wrong with having all of them at once..... Onto other things... three DOM pilots? Are they like the equivalent of EA druggies in Seed. You know, show up around ep 38 and die by around the end? If the storyline ends up as Orb vs. ZAFT, and ZAFT loses, then things are seriously screwed up, because then the implication will become Orb is just as powerful as ZAFT, and hence one would wonder why it would even consider joining EA in the first place. As for the character interactions, I just don't see Athrun chomping at the bits to put down Kira. All things considered, Athrun somehow became spineless through the course of this series, and it's time for him to go back home to AA and be the second string there. May be he and Cagalli can start crying together. heh heh. I'm now kind of curious to see where this storyline is going to go, it seems like in the next six or seven episodes, EA will totally become a nonfactor.

I'm curious too know what Dullindal's true motives are. Up to now, it's all been rather vague, aside from trying to put down Lacus, and I can easily agree with him on that score, I don't see that he has done anything wrong.

Talk about an unflattering picture of Shiho, she looks more like a man in that shot.

I always wondered what it would be like to have seen Camille and Amuro at their prime going against each other. Personally, I'm more of a Camille fan.... having said this, Kira and Shinn don't really hold a candle in terms of their individual characters to either of aforementioned. But it might be interesting to see them fight. I can understand how Shinn is pissed at Kira, and I think there is a good chance that if they had equal MS, Shinn can beat Kira. As for Athrun, how the mighty has fallen, he might have made a great Char if he had even a percentage of Char's will and determination. But like Kira he is perpetually confused. Pick a side and stay with it... He should've been more sympathetic to Shinn with what he knew, and he sure should've been more diplomatic in how he dealt with Shinn. But oh well, in the end, Athrun is still just a little kid. Finally, I did like one thing, Shinn knew how to hit nerves, he nailed Athrun but good with his little barbs. BTW, Shinn and Rey aren't exactly wrong. From their point of view, every time Freedom and company intervened, Minerva and crew somehow suffered. It's very easy to see from Shinn's point of view that Freedom and AA needs to be stopped. Stella aside, they just have to think about the last two encounters with AA and company, both times they (ZAFT) suffered because of it. It's a rule for soldiers on the battlefield, you don't want to hurt neutrals if you can help it, but in the end, there are really only two sides to the fight.

Hmmm, dullindal still hasn't shown anything. So, he edits out Freedom, I think he has a good reason for it. From his point of view, Blue Cosmos or whatever wasn't destroyed the last time, it was ok that GENSIS was stopped, but nobody bothered to finish off the moving force behind the last war, they stayed around to cause more problems, so he is going to finish the job. Freedom and company are a threat because by not allowing ZAFT to put down all of BC, they're ensuring that all th crap that happened last time will happen again given time. Meh.... As for why AA is so powerful, fine, let's take the entire ZAFT fleet against AA, eventually even they will fall. So, really, who cares.

Why the bloody hell can't these stupid people just stay dead. Mwu should've died, the only prayer now is that Neo is just a stupid clone. Although in a larger sense, that's stupid. May be Klueze wanted a son, so he had someone clone Mwu... ha ha....

Hello, I'm Athrun Zala, I have no idea what I want. My friends are absolutely clueless, but because I don't know what I want, I'll just hang around my clueless friends and hope for the best. Let's face it, Char Aznable, he ain't. As far as Neo is concerned, he needs to die in light of what he has done. And that's another reason for Shinn to go after AA. After all, didn't Neo say he'd look after Stella? Well, he sure as hell did that.... I don't mind if Freedom gets destroyed, I hope that by the end of the series, they'll kill off at least one or two of the main characters. Preferably, not Shinn. Kira, Athrun, Lacus, and Cagalli, one of those four, preferably two of them need to bite the dust. But I swear, they added those three murasame pilots to be killed at a convenient time later on just like those Astray girls. Need meaningful and impact characters to die. Athrun would be a prime character. Kind of like when Emma bought it at the end of Zeta. (no, I don't want Luna to die, but may be the sister....)

I wonder if that means that they'll actually put a few more MS on Minerva. A few Zakus or may be Goufs... A ship like that having only four MS is kind of pathetic. The Orb carrier seem to have at least two dozen, and even the EA carrier seem to hold more.

newtype ability in GS universe is so poorly explained that no one really knows what it means. They should've stuck with the genetic modifications and limited to that. I could've easily believed that you can genetically modify someone up to the point where they can multi-task (i.e. run funnels) with a sophisticated enough OS, the so called new type reactions just doesn't make sense to me. The rip off of the original gundam is done so poorly that it's better not to have that at all. I don't mind that the writer is trying to be original in storyline, and I also don't mind them paying homage to the original series. But they're trying to do both, and can't really do either thing very well. This is getting ridiculous, Zakus, Goufs, Doms, I'm just waiting for Marasai, Hi-Zacks, Jagens, Sazabis, and others now.

it would've been nice if the druggies actually managed to kill a main line character from Seed. But that's still better than what the three new guys did. Auel and Stella are dead, and it's likely that Sting bit the dust too. They've been around for about half the show, and if I had to guess, they probably killed more people in stealing the gundams. Auel probably had the best kill ratio of the three if you don't count Destroy. And no main line characters killed, I don't count Heine as a real kill for Stella since that happened more by accident than anything else. So, in the end they're boring. At least the original three were entertaining. Especially Crot, who was essentially a punk.

Remember the original gundams when they would bring out ace pilots on the other side every so often who aren't main characters, sometimes they'd be killed in three or four episodes, sometimes, they last throughout the rest of the series. They need to do that with EA. All of those MAs last exactly one episode or one battle with crappy pilots. Part of the problem is that Minerva need to get some cannon fodder pilots in their ship. They had those two guys in the very beginning, but then never again. The ship essentially has all aces, and apparently EA has no aces. How funny is that. And finally, I miss the old druggie pilots. They were fun, they were slaughtering cannon fodders for a long while. before they died. They were at least marginally effective.

Yeah, but that ignores all the prior evidence we've gotten that contradicts your hierarchy, which is based only on a battle with a mobile suit that even I could use to take out some enemies. And besides that, even based on that one battle, you still can't justify putting Shin ahead of Kira, because when he tried to attack Kira, he didn't even come close to hitting Freedom. The one on one matchup should trump their comparative performances against the same enemy. And if it's only based on that one battle, you can't really rank Athrun or Cagalli at all, since Athrun didn't have a MS and Cagalli, as azrael mentioned, only shielded civilians without fighting herself. Think I'll just spell it out since it's still not obvious. Piloting skills are not absolutes, which is why you have hierarchy that change and evolve over time. Thing would've been different earlier, and you do understand that this is kind of a joke right? We're talking about the piloting skills of cartoon characters, things that can change depending on what the guy who draws the things feel like. If the writer wanted, I'm sure evidence can be provided that Wile E Coyote could smack around Kira Yamato any day of the week. Oh never mind, you can't even understand the premise I put this on, it's not worth the effort to keep explaining... i.e. last time we see these pilots fighting isn't limited to just this last episode.

And how do you come up with that insane piece of logic? I sure hope you're not going to suggest Shinn is to blame for civilians being killed by Destroy because he returned Stellar, since Destroy would have been put into action regardless of whether she had been returned or not. yep, Destroy would've been put into action, but the fact of the matter is Shinn gave Stella back, and the result was however many people died because of Stella's piloting Destroy. Nothing anyone can do to deny that. It's called the bigger picture. Because if Stella killed even one person after he went back, Shinn would've been responsible for it knowing what he already knew. Let's look at the facts: 1) Stella is a killing machine... whether it's her fault or not. She has killed over and over again. 2) Stella is going back into the hands of the "enemy" who has turned her into the killing machine with a "promise" from that same enemy that she won't kill again. So knowing all of this, would a rational person do what Shinn did? Think of this analogy. Let's say you have this dog your very anti-social neighbor owns, it's a vicious psychopathic mutt that to your knowledge has maimed and killed. You like the dog because you think it's cute, and it likes you for some odd reason. The dog gets hurt, you try to help it, but in the end only your hope for the dog to get better is to give the dog back to the anti-social neighbor. Then two days later, with you watching, the dog tears the throat off of a little three year old who was just a bystander. Knowing this, you can always claim it's not your fault, you were being compassionate. But that's a lie, you know its history, and in spite of it, you returned it to an environment where it can continue it's ways. If you think that's something that's ok, then there are several very large bridges I'd like to sell to you.

Take a wild guess on how Kira knows it's Mu.... Actually, they've been using the beam-saber-blocks-beams since SEED...Kira seems to be the only one who's crazy enough to do it. Ok, I can buy it if we take the Stella part away, and yeah, I forgot about cagalli saving civies... it's very easy to overlook an MS that hasn't really done anything at all in the GSD series. Of course Shinn is single minded, his mind is on the fact that he needs a girl friend to show up the boss. How else do you explain him not remembering Stella killing the orange haired dud. He probably won't even realize it's his fault that countless civilians have died. And all will be forgiven. In reality, Shinn would be facing the death penalty for what he did. The episode is indeed full of plot holes, thankfully I never made the mistake of assuming GS series had any real plot. But on the other hand, it was nice to see things get blown up.

All I can say is read very very carefully my initial assumptions: Based on the last time we see these pilots fighting in their most recent MS: This means Stella (in Destroy) vs Kira (in Freedom). The episode was mostly Kira vs Stella, followed by Shinn vs Stella. So, all the other stuff doesn't count really. And if you think about it, if Kira can't even touch Destroy while Shinn did, that should tell you something. Use deductive reasoning, Kira focuses on Stella for what ten minutes of the show, and has nothing to show for it. Shinn comes in, and damages Destroy enough to see Stella in less than two minutes. Do the math. And let's see, who was in seed mode while not being able to touch Stella and who wasn't in seed mode while slicing up the armor in front of the cockpit? The only way you get around that is by saying Impulse is a better MS than Freedom. Is that what you're implying?

After watching the episode, I think it's time for a new hierarchy of pilot skills. This is based on the last time we see these pilots fighting in their most recent MS: Kira = Stella (they couldn't beat each other, while Stella was not messed up) Shinn > Stella (when Stella was not messed up) 3xMurasame pilot > Sting Sting = Athrun Kira > Athrun Kira > however many number of Murasame pilots they throw at him Cagalli still useless, she launched several times, and as far as I can tell has done nothing So, new hierarchy: Shinn > Kira/Stella > 3xMursame pilots > Sting/Athrun > Cagalli Oh I didn't forget one last important pilot/group, it's called EA. EA is represented mainly by Neo and his merry band of Windams. Let's see, Neo is in charge, he sees Stella can't touch Freedom, but he sees Freedom's mothership in firing range. This is the place where the Freedom's pilot get his food and water, not to mention a comfortable bed and a hot spring. So instead of depriving him of the one thing that has sustained him, Neo continues to have Stella fire uselessly at Freedom. And of course, there is the band of Windams that basically sat back and did NOTHING. So this act of stupidity leads to the ultimate insult: Cagalli > EA

sounds like an interesting episode, but if what you guys are saying is true, what the heck happened to these Murasame pilots? Did they get replaced by superduper alien clones? Too bad it'll take another 4 hours to download. I really didn't think they did all that good in the previous outings. I'm sorry, but to the guys who said that they did a ton of damage to the Minerva, it was laughable what they actually did. Because the numbers they had in that episode, they should've sunk the Minerva without breaking a sweat. I think the problem is like others have said, the EA totally suck

It's too bad, Shinn is growing a little too arrogant for his own good, his problem is not being faced with a tough decision where his actions will have an immediate and terrible consequence. i.e. he watches Destroy blow away ZAFT troops, knowing it's Stella, then having the balls to kill her because it's the right thing to do. So far, his decisions have been relatively straight forward and fairly free of conflict. Kill his immediate enemy. That would force him to reflect a little. Seem like the I hate Shinn crowd has gotten the writers attention during the last round of feedback poll